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POLL: Was this a successful season?

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Depends on what your expectations were from the start really.

I personally thought this should be an NCAA year for us, with our best player being a senior and returning so many players from the rebuilding process the last 3 years. And yes - we did just miss the NCAA tourney, which is quite an accomplishment and we got a #1 seed in the NIT.

I think if this was last year, and we made the NIT (at any seed) after losing Ced and Williams, I would have been okay with that. But I think the only way to save this season a little bit is make the NIT Final Four. Which is not impossible considering we get all home games until then and we play well at home.

NCAA's are the goal, and NIT is a good consolation in our down years. I just don't think in year 4, this should have been a down year for us. I concede that first year after our back to back runs was rebuilding, then it would have been nice to be in the NIT the following year, then competing for NCAA in year 3. We got hit with injury last year to Ced and Williams left the team, so okay with giving Mooney and company the benefit of the doubt there, but we still didn't come through.

I look to keep an eye on St. Louis and how they fare. They went to 3 straight NCAA tourneys. Everyone graduated and this year were really rebuilding and struggled to a 11-21 record and last place finish in the A10. Cleary rebuilding like we were after our back to back appearances. But they return everyone as they played no seniors this year. Next year - I would see them making the NIT. Then after that - back to competing for NCAA bids.

So for UR - I think this was not a successful season just yet, we did compete for a bid, but did not make it. I think we have a chance to really show we were worthy of a bid, salvage the season somewhat and make the NIT final four. Then hopefully next year - back to dancing.
 
Talent and experience wise, and with 1 superstar at guard, this should have been an NCAA year.
 
well, you kind of stacked the deck with your comments if you wanted to vote yes. why not just say yes or no, keep your prejudice to yourself.
 
Spinner, I was searching for the words but you seem to have found them. +1
 
Top notch guard, 3 nice contributors but core of team did not improve from last year. In a very weak A-10 this year, we should have danced.
 
Spinner - I was just giving my thoughts on the season, while trying to see what everyone else thought. Since I think the biggest issue we as fans have is EXPECTATIONS. Some fans and posters on here think we should be competing for NCAA bids every single year. Others are okay if we only get a bid every 3-4 years. And some don't care about NCAA bids and think if we get in the RPI top 100, that is a good season for us.

I initially thought this season would be lost, especially when we lost to VCU in Brooklyn because I thought we would get a 4-5 seed in the NIT. But we got a 1 seed, and I think the NIT is still worth something if you can make a run in it. Not to mention most games are televised on ESPN and the final four is at MSG on ESPN, so its pretty good esposure for recrutiting. So I changed my mind a bit and said - you know what, we make the final four of the NIT, I think I would say this was a good season. NCAA is the goal of course, but considering how the guys played towards the end and if they keep that run going in the NIT, that would be a good finish.
 
understand Trap, no biggie. when we look at how we played and won certain games, it reflects how or what we could have been, done but did not so from that standpoint, no, not successful. when we look at 13-12 and how we came home, yes, a successful season. so many ways to look, think, about it. we did make the post season that we don't have to pay to play in so that is a positive but as soon as we lose our next game, the micro-managers will be out in full force and that is an unsuccessful box
 
Certainly improved as season went along - especially in the last month. Currently playing very good basketball & great chemistry.

OOC was poor and hurt us as did conference loss to GMU. Don't think anyone should feel good about that.

Two wins over VCU is an accomplishment & something to hang a hat on. However a loss to them in the A10 tournament was a letdown, and a game we should have won.

We were first 4 out, and that shows we are good, but inconsistency held us back.

Getting a 1 seed in NIT is another good point. If we make it to MSG, that will show we are "there" and sets up next year as a team that should be respected & expected to be at the top or near of the conference and certainly included in the Big Dance.

However, not making NCAA's for 4th year in a row is not a positive. Put me in the camp who thinks making the NCAA's is a measure & a standard. Not saying that every year is doable, but if we can't do this at least once every three years, then the bar is too low. If that's an unrealistic expectation for a program that pays a coach over a million a year, just did a massive renovation on the RC, has a reasonably sizeable basketball budget, & plays in a conference that gets multiple bids, then please tell me where your bar is set and what is acceptable.
 
Anachnoid, you clearly were not a history major. Everyone knows it was the Italians, who bombed Pearl Harbor.

As for the thread title, how can you answer that question, until the season is actually over?
 
Webspinner - I agree with you and the way I would phrase what your saying is that this was not a successful season, but it had successful parts.

The successful parts would be sweeping VCU in the regular season, finishing 4th in the league and getting a bye in the A10 tourney, winning 7 of our last 8 in conference play, ShawnDre coming on during conference play to win 6th man of the year, Kendall making 1st team. But the overall outcome - and NIT bid in what we thought should have been an NCAA year - is what makes the overall not so successful. But I think making the NIT final four could change that for some people - myself included.
 
No, this was not a successful season. It looks "more" successful now than it did Dec. 31, but that's only because our expectations had sunk to new depths at that point. We then played for a month the way we should have been playing all year, but it wasn't enough and wasn't good enough.
 
how about we actually finish the season before we rate it.

Because remember in October, our OOC conference schedule was terrible and "someone needs to be held accountable"
In November, losing to ODU meant we had to win the conference tourney to get a bid
By the time March rolled around, OOC was top notch and we were probably 1 win away from getting in.
 
I was part of the crowd that said at the beginning of the A10 season that we were an NIT team at best, and that 20 wins would put us in the NCAA conversation.

That said, I can't really say if this season is a success or not. Winning the NIT or being a finalist could tilt the scales towards "successful season".

What I will say is that if we miss the NCAA's next year, I think CM's seat should get extremely hot, like too hot to sit on. I feel like making the NIT has placated the fan base and the administration somewhat, but if we don't make the big dance next year with the experience and talent we will have, I think the AD should seriously consider making a change.
 
Originally posted by TBSpyder:
Anachnoid, you clearly were not a history major. Everyone knows it was the Italians, who bombed Pearl Harbor.

As for the thread title, how can you answer that question, until the season is actually over?
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The Italians are great allies and were in World War 1. Now World War 2 and Mussolini were a different story. Kind of reminds me of this poll - Yes, but not for this reason or No, but not for that reason.
 
Even if we win the NIT, I can't say the season was "successful." Our goal was never "just" to make the NIT -- it was to be in the NCAA tournament. I will enjoy an NIT championship if we are fortunate enough to get it, but successful seasons do not include the NIT (unless your team is a bunch of freshmen and sophomores who were expected to finish last).

Here's a comparison. If you date Ashley Judd for a year, then Beyonce for a year, then Rosanne Barr for a year and then "upgrade" to Meredith Viera, is that a success? Of course not, because you had already proven you could date much hotter women.

I feel like trying to justify our fourth straight year of no NCAAs -- following two straight appearances and a Sweet 16 -- by saying "Well, at least we made the NIT" is pretty similar.


This post was edited on 3/16 11:55 AM by Eight Legger
 
Keef - I agree with you 100%. I would say Mooney's seat should be warm at the start, and if we miss the NCAA's next year - it should get very hot. And depending on what coaches are out there and available, maybe a move should be made or maybe we give him one more year.

I would also caution - if we do make the big dance next year, no extension. Just give him a little bump in pay - maybe like 100K or so, but no additional years. Not until we seem some consistency. And if that means we lose him to a bigger conference program, so be it.
 
Originally posted by Eight Legger:
Even if we win the NIT, I can't say the season was "successful." Our goal was never "just" to make the NIT -- it was to be in the NCAA tournament. I will enjoy an NIT championship if we are fortunate enough to get it, but successful seasons do not include the NIT (unless your team is a bunch of freshmen and sophomores who were expected to finish last).

Here's a comparison. If you date Ashley Judd for a year, then Beyonce for a year, then Rosanne Barr for a year and then "upgrade" to Meredith Viera, is that a success? Of course not, because you had already proven you could date much hotter women.

I feel like trying to justify our fourth straight year of no NCAAs -- following two straight appearances and a Sweet 16 -- by saying "Well, at least we made the NIT" is pretty similar.



This post was edited on 3/16 11:55 AM by Eight Legger
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Now Legger I am starting to worry about you - the thought of Meredith Viera even in comparison to Rosanne Barr ....................not much there.........there.......................
 
Not making the NCAA's is disappointing from the expectations most had here. The team progressed to the level we thought they should be at by the end and sweet to see the NIT love especially for K0. Hopefully get 3 wins at home. Consolation successful to me if it happens.

Going forward with the talent on this team, seeing what took place this season, and with only one new face to learn what the program requires, CM should and better have this team playing at the beginning like they were playing at the end this year.
 
I would also caution - if we do make the big dance next year, no extension. Just give him a little bump in pay - maybe like 100K or so, but no additional years. Not until we seem some consistency. And if that means we lose him to a bigger conference program, so be it.
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If we don't make the tournament next year, why in the heck would we give Mooney a bump in pay. And who exactly will be lining up to interview Mooney after 5 years of no NCAA.

I agree with Keef, Mooney gets next year to get us to the NCAA and if not his seat needs to be on fire. Next year, he has big vaunted recruiting class graduating (TA, ANO, TD, TD), if we can rotate through an entire class that he has been building towards for 5 years and not make an NCAA with them. Bye-bye.

And no the season was not successful. Our goal is to make the NCAA. We didn't have a young team, we didn't have a rash of injuries, we had an experienced squad led at least statistically by one of our all time best players.

Maybe had he not screwed around and played TJ so little minutes early on and not chronically mismanaged the last 4 minutes of the game throughout the year, we wouldn't be in this situation, but the fact of the matter he did and we are.
 
Originally posted by 97spiderfan:
I would also caution - if we do make the big dance next year, no extension. Just give him a little bump in pay - maybe like 100K or so, but no additional years. Not until we seem some consistency. And if that means we lose him to a bigger conference program, so be it.
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If we don't make the tournament next year, why in the heck would we give Mooney a bump in pay. And who exactly will be lining up to interview Mooney after 5 years of no NCAA.

I agree with Keef, Mooney gets next year to get us to the NCAA and if not his seat needs to be on fire. Next year, he has big vaunted recruiting class graduating (TA, ANO, TD, TD), if we can rotate through an entire class that he has been building towards for 5 years and not make an NCAA with them. Bye-bye.

And no the season was not successful. Our goal is to make the NCAA. We didn't have a young team, we didn't have a rash of injuries, we had an experienced squad led at least statistically by one of our all time best players.

Maybe had he not screwed around and played TJ so little minutes early on and not chronically mismanaged the last 4 minutes of the game throughout the year, we wouldn't be in this situation, but the fact of the matter he did and we are.
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We don't have much history of firing coaches, at least not for bball. Dooley was last? I'm not counting Wainwright because he "resigned" to go to DePaul.

The Dooley case was different because he really never got anything going, although his recruits ended up working out okay under Beilein.

I'm not saying Mooney doesn't require some pressure, but would be interesting to see how the university treats a coach who get us to our second Sweet16 and who's overall record is pretty good, in spite of the recent dearth of post-season activity.
 
ashley judd????? you are kidding right Eight or do you still have the 1993 poster up in your office.
 
Originally posted by MrTbone:
We don't have much history of firing coaches, at least not for bball. Dooley was last? I'm not counting Wainwright because he "resigned" to go to DePaul.

The Dooley case was different because he really never got anything going, although his recruits ended up working out okay under Beilein.

I'm not saying Mooney doesn't require some pressure, but would be interesting to see how the university treats a coach who get us to our second Sweet16 and who's overall record is pretty good, in spite of the recent dearth of post-season activity.
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We don't have a history of giving coaches $12M, 10-year contracts, either. They come with expectations.
 
Any program who is pining to steal away a Coach that wins 55% of his games and makes the NCAA tournament twice in 10 years is in a bad way.
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$100,000.00+ per month. $63,157 per win. $200,000 per DT 3 pointer. Mmmmm, that's a lot of money!!
 
You guys are a tough crowd when it comes to Ashley! Admittedly I am not a big celebrity hound, so I was just pulling names that came to mind. You get the point though.
 
Originally posted by WebSpinner:
ashley judd????? you are kidding right Eight or do you still have the 1993 poster up in your office.
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Spinner, I think she still looks stunning! Hopefully the pic shows up? Guys as old as you and me shouldn't be complaining.

This post was edited on 3/16 1:51 PM by SouthJerseySpiderFan

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Thanks fan. This has now become a successful thread.
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Dare I say that none of us would kick Ashley out of the, uh, house.
 
some truth to that Fan, but still have very high standards and judd, nor any of her fam, make the cut.
 
Is a G rated photo the best we can do? I may need another web site to make an objective opinion on Ashley.
 
Alright Rick - this is a family friendly site and if my wife wouldn't object? I would more than gladly change places with Dickie V. in those photos kissing and being kissed by a certain attractive Kentucky fan.............
 
Originally posted by SpiderK:
$100,000.00+ per month. $63,157 per win. $200,000 per DT 3 pointer. Mmmmm, that's a lot of money!!
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For those who claim to enjoy analytics, I think the above says plenty.

Were the calculations for the above ever taught in Monk's Math? For those who remember him...a really nice guy!
 
When I took statistics which was a super fascinating course we would have gone into all of that and more, but within the purview of being objective, per K Zero 3 pointer would be more realistic.
 
Sorry, geezers but I'll take this over Ashley Judd all day long!



 
Originally posted by keefusb:
She's pushing 30 now, plenty old enough.
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Yes please take my comment about her youth with a huge grain of salt................just the fact that she looks like some of my children's friends and before you ask - they do have some good looking friends!
 
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