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NCAA Basketball Scandal: All 3 Found Guilty on All Charges

nathanw19

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CollegeBasketballTalk: CBT Podcast: Attorney, coaches rep Jason Belzer on the details of Wednesday's guilty verdict
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...-on-the-details-of-wednesdays-guilty-verdict/

I found this podcast interesting. I had been wondering how the government had made this a case about fraud against the universities.

Unless I’m misunderstanding, the theory is that scholarships aren’t just write offs by universities, but instead are budgeted by athletic departments. Therefore, when possible, athletes are given financial aid first, and then have an athletic scholarship cover the rest. However, when players are getting money under the table, their financial situations have fundamentally changed, and therefore wouldn’t be ineligible for that financial aid/grant money (defrauding the university/federal government into giving them the aid money). And that is the fraud that these people were helping to induce.

I find it all very interesting. Also, as someone who supports players being able to use their image rights to make money (i.e. sponsorships)(I think straight wages would get real messy, real fast), I’m hoping this decision starts real change. The scenario I imagine/am hoping for is that coaches, sneaker execs, etc. will be less likely to funnel money, since they don’t want to risk real jail time (the adidas exec is facing 7 years). Therefore, players won’t be getting the money they have been, and will demand it above board in a stronger way. I think it takes a major program (Basketball is probably easier because it’s only 15 guys) to refuse to play (essentially strike) either for a full season, or maybe even better, in a national championship game.

Thoughts?
 
you instantly replace them and take away their scholarships.
guess that makes me pro-management, not pro-labor.
 
you instantly replace them and take away their scholarships.
guess that makes me pro-management, not pro-labor.

That’s why doing it on the eve of a national championship game would be so impactful. There are obvious consequences, but if players start feeling passionate about the way they’re being treated, they’d be willing to face those consequences.

It would certainly be about as loud of a statement that the players could make.
 
your thoughts Nathan are exactly why the power 5 need to go off on their own and do what they want with all their money and the rest of us play college sports. as indicated before, most of us while in college would have given their left arm, or other body appendage, to be on an athletic scholarship and have no debt upon graduation. what these individuals receive is amazing even without a monthly paycheck. also remember, the money created by football and basketball help to provide scholarships and money for all the other 20 or so sports. not sure that any entity could provide money to the athletes of one sport and not to the individuals of the other sports. we already, as a small school, spend huge amounts of money on sports (coaches, facilities, travel, uniforms, equipment, etc.), we do not need to pay students on top of that, especially since we don't even break even on what revenue we do create. at our size, we do not need to be in these facility wars like we are big time, we are not yet our little ole conferences force us to spend to even keep up and at some point this has to stop.
 
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