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I was able to log in and read it with an ESPN+ account which is nice since I had that already to watch basketball this season.

Final sentence reads “Once one of the rising stars of coaching, Mooney now needs to turn things around quickly”

I concur with the word quickly. Not next year or in 2 years. He’s had enough of those chances already. Mooney’s poor performance has gotten to the point where it is being acknowledged nationally. If we finish with another bad record this year, all eyes will be on Hardt to make the
obvious decision.
 
Agree 17, Hardt should be on the hot seat after this season.
Does Hardt have a 10-year contract? If so, it will need to need to expire before his seat gets hot. It would send a bad message to the athletic department if he was let go early for lack of performance.

Certainly shouldn't consider firing Hardt around a holiday. Keep in mind that his tenure at UR is "young" and therefore he is still developing. Hardt says often that he practices his craft well, surely that is enough for a little grace period.

Because of his inexperience at UR, you can expect great things (like mean spirited terminations) from Hardt in the future. In fact, give him time, he could develop into the firing machine that some desire.

Now, if you can find some big donors to buy out Hardt's contract, then the accountability you desire may be immediately attainable. Otherwise, remember, "we are loaded" at the Athletic Director position. In fact, some have said the stadium upgrade, new practice facility, charter flight upgrades, etc. will ensure that Hardt, at some point, becomes the all-time termination leader in the history of the school.

Patience grasshopper. :D

Source: Spidernation.com
 
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Flannery retired.
Paulsen left for George Mason.

Gadd retired to fight cancer.
Landis left for San Jose St.

Why should Mooney's seat feel warm?
 
Finally getting some national attention. Sorry if this was posted earlier. You need an insider account to see it, but basically it says that he hasn’t made the tournament since 2011, he had a bad record last year, and lost some bad games this year. Nothing new to us, but interesting that it finally made it to espn.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...-steve-alford-firing-impact-coaching-carousel
There have been multiple national CBB reporters and media that have identified Mooney as being on the hot seat. The notion that this is just a small faction of Richmond fans being upset with the situation has been thoroughly debunked for a while now.
 
Much to the chagrin of most everyone on here, I believe Mooney will be afforded another year unless the season spirals further out of control. The freshman are definitely getting stronger and the future looks bright for next season. I'm still optimistic about league play and you never know what can happen in the tournament, especially this year in a weaker A-10.

Hardt is no pushover. He's already made several coaching changes and will not hesitate to make a MBB coaching change when he deems necessary. I think if he does give Mooney one more season, and he'll be unequivocal with his expectation - an NCAA appearance.

For Mooney's own self preservation - and to rebuke the talk around his huge salary (which it is) - it would have been nice if he kicked in a contribution for the practice facility a la Mike London's 225K for UVA's MFB facility. Granted, London still got canned, though it showed a lot of class, commitment and gratitude.
 
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Much to the chagrin of most everyone on here, I believe Mooney will be afforded another year unless the season spirals further out of control. The freshman are definitely getting stronger and the future looks bright for next season. I'm still optimistic about league play and you never know what can happen in the tournament, especially this year in a weaker A-10.

Hardt is no pushover. He's already made several coaching changes and will not hesitate to make a MBB coaching change when he deems necessary. I think if he does give Mooney one more season, and he'll be unequivocal with his expectation - an NCAA appearance.

For Mooney's own self preservation - and to rebuke the talk around his huge salary (which it is) - it would have been nice if he kicked in a contribution for the practice facility a la Mike London's 225K for UVA's MFB facility. Granted, London still got canned, though it showed a lot of class, commitment and gratitude.

SpiderPride, I appreciate your optimism and point-of-view. I agree that we have some good players to build around, but that is still not enough for Mooney to stay, in my opinion.

Here are some words you used "freshman are definitely getting stronger" "future looks bright for next season" "optimistic about league play" We have heard this time and time again. However, after some point results need to happen, not this hypothetical scenario. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. What do we say when we have heard this exact thing going into our 8th year of no tournament appearance?

With that said, If Mooney can pull off a strong A10 record like 15-3 and win the A10 tournament, I would have no problem in saying he deserves to stay another year. But I expect to see results. Not just basing it off of ambiguous terms like "competing" or "better next year". He is getting paid over a million dollars a year to produce results as our basketball coach. I am going to take Hardt's word when he says that the expectations for results with respect to Richmond basketball is A10 championships and NCAA appearances. Granted, that won't happen every year. However, as a boss how do you justify keeping an employee who has failed to meet expectations for nearly a decade?
 
Hardt is no pushover. He's already made several coaching changes and will not hesitate to make a MBB coaching change when he deems necessary.

Just curious what are these several coaching changes he's made?
 
Pride didn't say he wants Mooney to stay another year. he said he thinks he'll get another year. I agree if the rest of the year goes decently. no, we're not going 15-3. that's not realistic. but a good finish projects to a good season next year losing only JJ and adding Sherod, Francis and Burton. and before you all go nuts I know that "next year" bothers everyone here. I'm just giving an opinion on what I think Hardt will be considering, not what I want or don't want to happen.
 
But this is what is going into the 3rd or 4th year now where we have under performed in OOC play (definitely put ourselves out of at-large consideration) only to have an above expectations finish in A10 play? The A10 is at one of its worst down years. To put things in perspective, we have been a 3 bid league for over a decade and we will likely be a 1 bid league this year. Just like OOC (where we finished below .500) beating GW twice, La Salle twice, Fordham, a bad St. Bonnies team, and a couple middle-tier teams like Duquesne is not an indicator of improvement. Is finishing something like 7th or 8th with a record of 10-8 and a win or two in the A10 tournament really enough to make us forget about this past year as a whole? This squeaking by in A10 play to only make you think "next year is the year", has been a repetitive and predictable cycle now for quite some time. Plus, if we keep Mooney next year, what's to stop people from saying Mooney should be kept for a year after that since Sherod, Gilyard, Golden, Francis, Cayo will all be Juniors next year and Seniors in 2 years. At some point, we have to have a strict marker for success that if Mooney fails to meet - yet again - is grounds for terminating his contract.
 
the thing to keep in mind, neither espn or any news organization, as well as us on here, have the ability or power of hiring or firing, which is a very good thing.
 
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what pub, don't read anything there at all. front page sports illustrated, now we are talking
 
Yes, inquiring minds want to know. To my knowledge, he's never fired the coach of a revenue sport.

Somebody needs to get a microphone in front of Peter Albright and find out what happened there. There really is no evidence or track record of Hardt carrying a large stick.

It could be argued that Gill had more of track record of pushing coaches out the door, tbh.
 
This squeaking by in A10 play to only make you think "next year is the year", has been a repetitive and predictable cycle now for quite some time.
if Hardt doesn't think next year we'll be an exciting winning team for whatever reason including past performances, then sure. but if he feels we will be, then that outweighs past performances. he will let this season play out and then decide. there's no benefit to a mid-season firing despite what some here try to come up with.

Plus, if we keep Mooney next year, what's to stop people from saying Mooney should be kept for a year after that since Sherod, Gilyard, Golden, Francis, Cayo will all be Juniors next year and Seniors in 2 years.
nothing. that's the point. people can believe Mooney should stay if the team does well and looks strong going forward. you show him the door when the future doesn't look good, not when it does.

At some point, we have to have a strict marker for success that if Mooney fails to meet - yet again - is grounds for terminating his contract.
there are no grounds for terminating his contract ... only his employment. we're paying the contract either way. the FMM hopes the university has funds set aside for a buyout. or they hope a booster who they usually bash will write a check. or they can start and contribute to a gofundme to get it done.
 
if Hardt doesn't think next year we'll be an exciting winning team for whatever reason including past performances, then sure. but if he feels we will be, then that outweighs past performances. he will let this season play out and then decide. there's no benefit to a mid-season firing despite what some here try to come up with.


nothing. that's the point. people can believe Mooney should stay if the team does well and looks strong going forward. you show him the door when the future doesn't look good, not when it does.


there are no grounds for terminating his contract ... only his employment. we're paying the contract either way. the FMM hopes the university has funds set aside for a buyout. or they hope a booster who they usually bash will write a check. or they can start and contribute to a gofundme to get it done.

First, I agree that we shouldn’t fire Mooney mid-season. That won’t achieve anything in my opinion. Second, I’m not denying that if there are ample signs of things being significantly different next year, then it wouldn’t make sense to fire Mooney. My point is that just saying “our players will be one year older next year” isn’t a sufficient enough reason for me when this is going to be Mooney’s 8th year of no tournament appearances. It’s not like we are going to be first four out of NCAA. We arent even going to be invited to the CBI as of now. The reality is we went below .500 in the easiest OOC in Mooney’s tenure here. Furthermore, we had Sherod as a Junior, Grant as a RsSo, and a very experienced Sophomore Gilyard. Them being a year older with Francis isn’t going to magically make us a tournament team. So unless we have objective results to indicate our future will be bright next year like having a very strong A10 record and winning A10 tourney, we can’t keep thinking “next year is the one” on gut feeling alone when we have an 8 year history saying otherwise.

You are right, terminate contract was not the right choice of words. Should be terminate his employment i.e. firing him
 
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ESPN or any other news outlet listing coaches on the hot seat doesn't do anything other than update the everyday sports fan on programs that are underachieving. I don't think "the court of public opinion" is a major factor and anyone who thinks the common sports fan cares about UR basketball is delusional.

The sad story is that the "powers that be" made a mistake and offered a contract that was both too long and too rich for the tier of program that UR has. I guess these people may have had visions of grandeur and thought that the program could move to the highest tier, but upon reflection I am sure there are second thoughts. Even worse, it sounds like there is no exit strategy which is a sad state of affairs for a school that has a business school.

UR paid for stability and instead got stagnation.
 
Pride didn't say he wants Mooney to stay another year. he said he thinks he'll get another year. I agree if the rest of the year goes decently. no, we're not going 15-3. that's not realistic. but a good finish projects to a good season next year losing only JJ and adding Sherod, Francis and Burton. and before you all go nuts I know that "next year" bothers everyone here. I'm just giving an opinion on what I think Hardt will be considering, not what I want or don't want to happen.
The ok finish to last year didn’t translate to a good start to this year. Nor the year before. I don’t think it’s an easy decision for Hardt but if we have a losing record again this year, it should be absolutely defensible for him to ask to buyout the contract and start over with his own guy.
 
ESPN or any other news outlet listing coaches on the hot seat doesn't do anything other than update the everyday sports fan on programs that are underachieving. I don't think "the court of public opinion" is a major factor and anyone who thinks the common sports fan cares about UR basketball is delusional.

The sad story is that the "powers that be" made a mistake and offered a contract that was both too long and too rich for the tier of program that UR has. I guess these people may have had visions of grandeur and thought that the program could move to the highest tier, but upon reflection I am sure there are second thoughts. Even worse, it sounds like there is no exit strategy which is a sad state of affairs for a school that has a business school.

UR paid for stability and instead got stagnation.

We (or, specifically, Jim Miller) got the fever in 2011 and thought the job offers would keep pouring in just like they did for Shaka Smart. I'm sure he was thinking "well, when he does leave we'll get a sweet buyout." The only reason anyone does a deal that absurd is to make the departure expensive. Instead, we fell off a cliff the next season while Smart kept going to the tourney year after year.

This, to me, is the most damning indictment of the post-2011 Mooney era. Nobody wants him.
 
the FMM hopes the university has funds set aside for a buyout. or they hope a booster who they usually bash will write a check. or they can start and contribute to a gofundme to get it done.
Come on dude, if you set up that kind of contract you need to have the buyout set aside. I believe an accountant on here or someone with knowledge said this should be the case. We all know that is the threat of PQ's future money that is hog tying Hardt. That and the fact that their daughter's were roommates. It's not a good situation. You used to mention your son got some D1 calls at first opportunity when contact could be made, but were waiting for Mooney's. Really, we have Ulla, who is Ulla. And you have a vested interest it would seem. Otherwise the Mooney support is non existent.
 
ESPN or any other news outlet listing coaches on the hot seat doesn't do anything other than update the everyday sports fan on programs that are underachieving. I don't think "the court of public opinion" is a major factor and anyone who thinks the common sports fan cares about UR basketball is delusional.

The sad story is that the "powers that be" made a mistake and offered a contract that was both too long and too rich for the tier of program that UR has. I guess these people may have had visions of grandeur and thought that the program could move to the highest tier, but upon reflection I am sure there are second thoughts. Even worse, it sounds like there is no exit strategy which is a sad state of affairs for a school that has a business school.

UR paid for stability and instead got stagnation.
I disagree only because that hasn’t been proven. Some can continue to believe the anti-Mooney movement is made up of a handful of unruly fans. However, like it or not, ESPN is BY FAR the number 1 sports media outlet. Once negative stories about your school become national (with all due respect, other national outlets don’t have the same reach as ESPN), schools will want to do something to get their name off the website. O’Connor and The Disgrace won’t convince some by themselves.
 
Still read Sports Illustrated but only because my dad pays for it as a gift. Has gone from over 50 issues a year to less than 40. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them fold.
 
Much to the chagrin of most everyone on here, I believe Mooney will be afforded another year unless the season spirals further out of control. The freshman are definitely getting stronger and the future looks bright for next season. I'm still optimistic about league play and you never know what can happen in the tournament, especially this year in a weaker A-10.

For the most part, the future has looked bright practically every year since 2011. Posts on this site would reflect that. Then somewhere along the lines stormy weather seems to kick in and in and in.
 
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guy cant manage a bench . he needs ready made players then rides them into the ground year after year. recruits Kwesi , never found a role for Paul , he s very limited , needs plug and play , cant develop players unless they do it on their own off season like TJ did and TJ picked us so his get wasnt Mooney being great. I guess he s worried about managing guard time so he s riding Gustav butt, make way for Francis. 500 ball is almost overachieving it this year.
the wait till next year narrative public relations ploy is pretty obvious.
when you have ten years making million plus I would think you d have a plan , but we are always stuck with the same lousy first of season play, wait till next year song that soon develops, the talk up of the next year recruits and again try to make a good showing at the A10 tournament. If you just want entertainment for the family it is fun and cheap , if you want a chance at NCAAs he just isnt going to be the guy because he has had enough time to show his stuff, and in many aspects towards that goal shows he is lacking.
Id scramble too like he is calling in all his chips if I was making that cash for coaching.
 
In my collection, I have a mint copy of the first ever issue of Sports Illustrated (August 1954), a mint copy of the First, Second, and Third Anniversary Editions, and a mint copy of the five issues setting forth each of the five lessons of golf by Ben Hogan, which articles were taken from the Sports Illustrated articles almost verbatim and subsequently comprised Hogan's classic book on golf instruction, Five Lessons (1957), illustrated by Herbert Wind Warren and Anthony Ravielli.

Just sayin'.
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