Here's another JUCO we denied. He graduated HS with a 3.2 but didn't take the ACT because he was Swedish. So we denied him
Lukas Landgren
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Lukas looks like he can play and has a physical presence. Coach needs more cooperation from admissions. This stinks! OSC
From our website, but I don't know if they have a different set of requirements for JUCOs
While SAT and ACT test results are not required of transfer applicants, students are welcome to submit their scores if they believe they’ll be helpful in the application review process. Once students enroll at Richmond, they will need to send official scores for any testing that would exempt them from general education requirements.
100% Ulla, this a huge problem for Coach!
If he never took the SAT or ACT, then he's automatically categorized as a nonqualifer for initial eligibility purposes by the NCAA, separate from any UR requirements. That means there is a stricter set of requirements he must meet at his JUCO (I believe at least three semesters there and graduated with a degree with a certain number of transferrable credit hours) in order to even be immediately eligible at his new school.
I don't know if that was a factor here or not. How long was he at Monroe, and is he headed somewhere else or just in limbo?
I don't know if that was a factor here or not. How long was he at Monroe, and is he headed somewhere else or just in limbo?
SF, I read not too long ago that certain colleges like VDU (aka vcu) no longer require standardized tests such as the SAT or ACT. We are one of those colleges that still require one of these tests among other things. I do hope that our athletes are given a little slack as it is currently extremely difficult for anyone to gain admittance to UR. OSC
32, agree 100%. I have colleagues in Goteburg, Lund and Alnarp, and have visited numerous times. One friend moved to the Max Planck Institute in Germany and did not hesitate too much with his children having to learn German. Swedes are generally very well educated. Sweden's only drawbacks were the icy and rainy winters, and the tremendous tax on alcoholic beverages. The latter drawback is somewhat ameliorated as all the Swedes I know make their own beer! OSC
This is a very, very weird thread. Do you guys apply the same standards when interviewing job candidates?
He is Scandinavian -- must be bright, hire him!
B+ high school student who went to JUCO -- wow! bring him on in
Richmond does and should have very different standards for who they admit than the ones proposed here. There is no evidence he was unfairly denied. If student athletes are being unfairly denied, then by all means gather real evidence that is happening. All we have here is people jumping on the crazy train.
He is Scandinavian -- must be bright, hire him!
B+ high school student who went to JUCO -- wow! bring him on in
Richmond does and should have very different standards for who they admit than the ones proposed here. There is no evidence he was unfairly denied. If student athletes are being unfairly denied, then by all means gather real evidence that is happening. All we have here is people jumping on the crazy train.
I think we need help for pivot position. I also think we need 4 shooters on floor for when TJ is always doubleteamed not 2 shooters and 2 magic go to the spot defense players who just need " the swagger and get their confidence ",and by end of year we know for sure they can not shoot but it is too late then and we are asking about NIT one more time and then the magic players minutes go down but again it is too late because the shooter has little experience in GAMETIMES. I never understand it is ok to practice in game go to the magic spot on defense very nice but don not worry about how bad you are on offense because TJ can score no problem and by end of year is very tired becaus of always double team and he passes out to player who can not shoot.
May be we dont see this this year? Just because I can score 100 points a gme does not mean you should not get better on your offense OK?
May be we dont see this this year? Just because I can score 100 points a gme does not mean you should not get better on your offense OK?
If I am reading Fezz correctly, I do share the concern with TJ getting worn down as the year goes on. Our admissions office certainly does not have this concern. I get that we are not going to let in everyone in that applies but:
A) As other posters have noted, the basketball team (and other teams) is an exception, and I guarantee not everyone on the team currently would be accepted if not for the ability to play hoops. Love our football program, but basketball is our highest visibility sport by far. We have most ROI if we have an NCAA team. Admissions goes up, the general public is more aware, etc.
B) Again, Mooney has run a good clean program as far as we can tell. We have a need for some immediate depth inside. Can we not make an exception?
This has to frustrating to the staff.
A) As other posters have noted, the basketball team (and other teams) is an exception, and I guarantee not everyone on the team currently would be accepted if not for the ability to play hoops. Love our football program, but basketball is our highest visibility sport by far. We have most ROI if we have an NCAA team. Admissions goes up, the general public is more aware, etc.
B) Again, Mooney has run a good clean program as far as we can tell. We have a need for some immediate depth inside. Can we not make an exception?
This has to frustrating to the staff.
I still don't get the concept of why TJ would get more tired being double teamed than not, playing twice per week. he's not a nose tackle. double teaming has nothing to do with whether he gets tired or not. he'll get tired if played too much. that can happen whether we have 13 players or 8. he can get banged up whether he's playing 35 mpg or 25 mpg. hopefully can keep him around 30. we have plenty of bodies that can give him rest.
Would you be more tired if you had two wives nagging you all the time instead of just one?
re: There is no evidence he was unfairly denied.
You mean you're not trusting the source on this? if one of our coaches, who the original poster of this thread openingly criticizes on this board and his "blog", is feeding him the info, then shame on them. If it is coming from someone else, not believing it. There is no way anyone on our staff or AD is feeding this info and okaying him to put on his board.
You mean you're not trusting the source on this? if one of our coaches, who the original poster of this thread openingly criticizes on this board and his "blog", is feeding him the info, then shame on them. If it is coming from someone else, not believing it. There is no way anyone on our staff or AD is feeding this info and okaying him to put on his board.
I think someone somewhere is mistaken about something. maybe me. the original post says he wasn't admitted because he didn't take the ACT. but UR doesn't require the ACT from transfer students. so we're missing something.
Here is what we do know: Our staff liked two JUCO players, offered them and then found that neither would be admitted. That in and of itself is a MAJOR problem. The staff spent time learning about these guys and recruiting them to some extent, thought enough of them to offer them both scholarships, then found that Admissions wouldn't accept either one.
Do we blame the coaches for not clearing things first before offering them?
Do we blame the coaches for not knowing enough about the admissions process to know that these guys likely would be denied?
Do we blame Admissions for stonewalling both guys for unknown reasons?
Do we blame Admissions for using formulas that apparently are too unpredictable for our coaches to know who they might accept or deny?
I'm not sure, really. But the fact that our coaching staff and Admissions people cannot get on the same page here is a big problem. I would expect that Admissions would have very clearly outlined criteria for who it will and will not accept when it comes to basketball players or athletes in general. If it does not, that's a big problem for several reasons. If it does, and the coaches just don't understand what they are or are ignoring them, that's a problem too.
Everyone needs to get on the same page so that we stop wasting time and energy on kids who are not going to be admitted. And I would argue (and have argued) that we need to start letting kids like this in if the coaching staff wants them. Period.
Do we blame the coaches for not clearing things first before offering them?
Do we blame the coaches for not knowing enough about the admissions process to know that these guys likely would be denied?
Do we blame Admissions for stonewalling both guys for unknown reasons?
Do we blame Admissions for using formulas that apparently are too unpredictable for our coaches to know who they might accept or deny?
I'm not sure, really. But the fact that our coaching staff and Admissions people cannot get on the same page here is a big problem. I would expect that Admissions would have very clearly outlined criteria for who it will and will not accept when it comes to basketball players or athletes in general. If it does not, that's a big problem for several reasons. If it does, and the coaches just don't understand what they are or are ignoring them, that's a problem too.
Everyone needs to get on the same page so that we stop wasting time and energy on kids who are not going to be admitted. And I would argue (and have argued) that we need to start letting kids like this in if the coaching staff wants them. Period.
coaches don't have all the academic information before offering. you get into that detail after the offer, though you do ask for an overall picture of the kid's academics from the kid's coach. kid's coach will typically tell you he's a great kid with strong scores. then you offer and get his transcript. it doesn't always tell the same story.
the coaches know the deal on academics and when you start messing around at junior colleges, you should know that you could have big probs. really don't see this as hurting our program, we just need to move back to high schools and quit recruiting transfers. if a transfer comes to us, OK, not sure going after them is the right way to recruit at UR, particularly one year guys and jc guys.
Good question and why are we hearing about them now? Is it because we are looking at JUCO's and admissions is pushing back that this is not the route that we want to go? Or are other kids we want being denied as well and someone in the athletic department is leaking this out because they are tired of fighting this battle? Really would like to know more about the circumstances.
the bottom line is that we don't admit everyone who applies, whether regular applicants or athletes. the coaches know the guidelines, they have been here for a while. this should not be a problem. if they wish to go after a marginal prospect, no probs at all with that as long as they keep in mind, might not happen.
I dont think he is good enough to play for us. He reminds me of Uros Komadinic who I knew from 2008 good left hand shooter but more d2 than d1
also my brother and I saw this player the same year but he went to StFrancis and also did not like the bench press HA,,, he was the shooter and would have been good to work with Coach..Coach is very very very good with guards
I believe NCAA rules prohibit a program from discussing a transfer until they actually enroll in the school. I doubt that any member of our athletic community would violate this rule. Further it would be a breach of confidentiality to state that a given recruit was denied admission. The only way I see that that can be determined appropriately, is if the athlete divulged the information on, say social media. But I doubt that many recruits would want to publicize that.
Thus I chalk up all the comments about players being unduly denied admission, to speculation.
Thus I chalk up all the comments about players being unduly denied admission, to speculation.
I agree completely. We seem to have a bunch of foreign students on our campus. Using the excuse that he is Swedish, and therefore had not bothered to take the ACT which would have clearly gotten him into UR, seems ridiculous. Unfortunately, some people post rumors and innuendos on this site which get people riled up without having all of the facts.
It's very easy to see how this information gets out: A kid gets rejected on academics, tells his AAU coach, his family, his friends, his advisors, then one or two of them tell others. Pretty simple, really. No violation.
Ok, here is some more info I got that should clear things up. Jumped to conclusions from the original info I obtained. My bad.
As an international student there is a separate test they can take for NCAA eligibility as Lukas did. The SAT or ACT is not required. It's the schools choice whether they require one of the standardized tests for JUCO transfer students/International students. The key here was not that they HAVE to have him take the ACT, but rather that because he hadn't he has to go through the board again and it would take too long because he had to go back to Sweden on the 26th if he's not signed
As an international student there is a separate test they can take for NCAA eligibility as Lukas did. The SAT or ACT is not required. It's the schools choice whether they require one of the standardized tests for JUCO transfer students/International students. The key here was not that they HAVE to have him take the ACT, but rather that because he hadn't he has to go through the board again and it would take too long because he had to go back to Sweden on the 26th if he's not signed
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