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Is anyone worst that UR in 3 point defense?

TBSpyder

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Nothing has changed. Almost everyone we play, hits 3 point shots at high rates. Will we ever deal with that?
 
Nothing has changed. Almost everyone we play, hits 3 point shots at high rates. Will we ever deal with that?
Our perimeter defenders don't have their hands up. It works. Poor fundamentals as usual. It's not cool to play with your hands up anymore, so everyone shoots.
 
Nothing has changed. Almost everyone we play, hits 3 point shots at high rates. Will we ever deal with that?

In 2014 we had the 9th best 3FG% defense, in 2015 we had the 16th best 3FG% defense, this year we have the 285th 3FG% defense so there are ~70 schools who were worse.
 
In 2014 we had the 9th best 3FG% defense, in 2015 we had the 16th best 3FG% defense, this year we have the 285th 3FG% defense so there are ~70 schools who were worse.
That's just an embarrassment. To go from 16th to 285th is unconscionable. The red flags should go off all over the RC.
 
That's just an embarrassment. To go from 16th to 285th is unconscionable. The red flags should go off all over the RC.

I mean, it is hard to put the blame on Mooney for this when his system has been consistently excellent at this specific aspect of the game for years. To me it is an indictment of the players not the coach or scheme.
 
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I mean, it is hard to put the blame on Mooney for this when his system has been consistently excellent at this specific aspect of the game for years. To me it is an indictment, of the players not the coach or scheme.

Who is responsible for bringing those players to UR? This point has been made by many others and I think it is valid.
Don't get me wrong. I am a Mooney supporter and I find those who want his head at this point amusing considering what he has accomplished in the past...and where we were when he was hired. Most every good coach has a down year or two. I think CM woke up to the problems last year and that is why we have Nick, Monte and Grant coming aboard next year. Let's hope the recruiting remains at least at that level.
Nevertheless, as to this year and next, the buck stops with CM, regardless of the players' ability or performance. IMO.
Respectfully submitted.
 
I mean, it is hard to put the blame on Mooney for this when his system has been consistently excellent at this specific aspect of the game for years. To me it is an indictment, of the players not the coach or scheme.
Harry Truman would disagree with you.

These are CM's recruits, his players, his system, his schemes, his rigidity, his, his, his.

We all know what to expect with next year's systems & schemes. They look just like this year's and last year's. Players come and go, but everything else remains the same. But, but, but... next year's recruits are going to make a difference because the system works. If there's a breakdown, it's "an indictment of the players not the coach or scheme".

I realize you are referencing but one aspect of the system, but we need to look at the entire pie. Too many things went wrong this year, and it's time for a reality check in the program. Another year we're on the outside looking up at others wishing we could dance. Just another year.
 
Harry Truman would disagree with you.

These are CM's recruits, his players, his system, his schemes, his rigidity, his, his, his.

We all know what to expect with next year's systems & schemes. They look just like this year's and last year's. Players come and go, but everything else remains the same. But, but, but... next year's recruits are going to make a difference because the system works. If there's a breakdown, it's "an indictment of the players not the coach or scheme".

I realize you are referencing but one aspect of the system, but we need to look at the entire pie. Too many things went wrong this year, and it's time for a reality check in the program. Another year we're on the outside looking up at others wishing we could dance. Just another year.
I'm curious if in fact there really were "too many things" wrong. I think we could complain about the usual culprits (rebounding, etc.) but I think fan2011 posted that if we had been even in the ballpark of our recent 3pt defensive average, we would have won 7 more games. So that's 22-7 and likely getting a bid. That's just one thing.

Maybe there are a series of underlying issues that are causing our 3pt defense to suck, or that caused us to lose a spate of games, but we don't have to excel in all phases to win games.
 
I'm curious if in fact there really were "too many things" wrong. I think we could complain about the usual culprits (rebounding, etc.) but I think fan2011 posted that if we had been even in the ballpark of our recent 3pt defensive average, we would have won 7 more games. So that's 22-7 and likely getting a bid. That's just one thing.

Maybe there are a series of underlying issues that are causing our 3pt defense to suck, or that caused us to lose a spate of games, but we don't have to excel in all phases to win games.
"if we had been even in the ballpark of our recent 3pt defensive average, we would have won 7 more games. So that's 22-7 and likely getting a bid. That's just one thing."


If, if, if.... The fact of the matter is that we didn't, and all the "if's" don't play into this. We can play the "if thing" all night long. Reality trumps "if's" all the time. Unfortunately we didn't win the 7 games, aren't 22-7, and didn't get a bid. I just don't get into hypothetical analysis because it's not real and it didn't happen.

In the "if world", we could easily include a never ending list, but none of it matters. Below are a few more "if's" to chew on. Our season is what it is.

If NO didn't transfer.

If we'd have gotten a big to transfer in.

If we'd have shot a reasonable pct. from foul line this year.

If we didn't have 6 on the court versus VCU.

If the refs would have been better or miss so many calls.

If the games where our 3 point shooting was off.
 
I mean, it is hard to put the blame on Mooney for this when his system has been consistently excellent at this specific aspect of the game for years. To me it is an indictment, of the players not the coach or scheme.
I have to agree with that.
 
Time will tell (future senior classes and specifically next year's senior class) but I really believe we suffered primarily from the lack of a senior "smack 'em in the back of the head" leader.
 
"if we had been even in the ballpark of our recent 3pt defensive average, we would have won 7 more games. So that's 22-7 and likely getting a bid. That's just one thing."


If, if, if.... The fact of the matter is that we didn't, and all the "if's" don't play into this. We can play the "if thing" all night long. Reality trumps "if's" all the time. Unfortunately we didn't win the 7 games, aren't 22-7, and didn't get a bid. I just don't get into hypothetical analysis because it's not real and it didn't happen.

In the "if world", we could easily include a never ending list, but none of it matters. Below are a few more "if's" to chew on. Our season is what it is.

If NO didn't transfer.

If we'd have gotten a big to transfer in.

If we'd have shot a reasonable pct. from foul line this year.

If we didn't have 6 on the court versus VCU.

If the refs would have been better or miss so many calls.

If the games where our 3 point shooting was off.
Dude, chill this wasn't an indictment of your post. All I was saying is that our problem may not be as sweeping as you may think. Obviously hypotheticals are meaningless, but if we are genuinely interested in righting the ship it may be that the fastest route there is not to try to fix everything but fix one or two things.
 
"if we had been even in the ballpark of our recent 3pt defensive average, we would have won 7 more games. So that's 22-7 and likely getting a bid. That's just one thing."


If, if, if.... The fact of the matter is that we didn't, and all the "if's" don't play into this. We can play the "if thing" all night long. Reality trumps "if's" all the time. Unfortunately we didn't win the 7 games, aren't 22-7, and didn't get a bid. I just don't get into hypothetical analysis because it's not real and it didn't happen.

In the "if world", we could easily include a never ending list, but none of it matters. Below are a few more "if's" to chew on. Our season is what it is.

If NO didn't transfer.

If we'd have gotten a big to transfer in.

If we'd have shot a reasonable pct. from foul line this year.

If we didn't have 6 on the court versus VCU.

If the refs would have been better or miss so many calls.

If the games where our 3 point shooting was off.

Right. And the fact is that IF we had done all those things, history suggests that we would have screwed up in some other areas that we were good at otherwise. We always seem to be *close* but never get over the hump, for one reason or another.
 
Dude, chill this wasn't an indictment of your post. All I was saying is that our problem may not be as sweeping as you may think. Obviously hypotheticals are meaningless, but if we are genuinely interested in righting the ship it may be that the fastest route there is not to try to fix everything but fix one or two things.
Dude, I realize exactly what you were saying. I just thought expanding the conversation might open up a bit more discussion.
 
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