Implications of additional year of eligibility for athletes on athletic directors

[UR80sfan]

It is one thing for a D1 athlete to be eligible for and additional year and another to be granted an additional year of scholarship. Most athletic departments are under financial strain due to covid and have limited recourses to grant additional scholarships. The rationing of these additional scholarships will force athletic directors to prioritize sports and the quality of players. This is not a conversation athletic directors want to have with their coaches who typically have been told all sports are equally important.

I would think most D1 basketball starters or players that play a lot of minutes will be given an extract year scholarship. It will be interesting to see what happens with other sports.

It will also have implications for graduate schools, by potentially significantly increasing the number of students or filling up slots that others would have had.

 

[SFspidur]

I wasn't aware that athletic directors had limited eligibility. When does Hardt's run out?

 

[spider fan]

Read it the same way - AD gets extra year of eligibility....................lol............but understand the point. There are only so many scholarships and so many graduate school slots.....................increasing demand but limited supply.

 

[Gallipoli]

It is one thing for a D1 athlete to be eligible for and additional year and another to be granted an additional year of scholarship. Most athletic departments are under financial strain due to covid and have limited recourses to grant additional scholarships. The rationing of these additional scholarships will force athletic directors to prioritize sports and the quality of players. This is not a conversation athletic directors want to have with their coaches who typically have been told all sports are equally important.

I would think most D1 basketball starters or players that play a lot of minutes will be given an extract year scholarship. It will be interesting to see what happens with other sports.

It will also have implications for graduate schools, by potentially significantly increasing the number of students or filling up slots that others would have had.

To what extent will schools lose up and coming players, who have their playing time taken by seniors who stay?

 

[SFspidur]

There's certainly an issue of where the money is going to come from for these extra scholarships, and there will definitely be conversations with coaches about how much extra they're allowed to spend. I don't get the bit about ADs not wanting to have the conversation...all coaches know where they are in the pecking order and under no illusions that all sports are equal.

In some cases, the "extra scholarships" can simply be absorbed. Men's hoops still has two open slots for next year. Maybe we don't fill one of them and Gilly effectively takes that slot even though he doesn't count from a numbers perspective.

As for graduate program slots, I don't see a big issue there. Most of the grad programs these guys are applying for aren't particularly selective and in fact are viewed as money-makers for the universities and they'll take as many students as they can. Slipping in a small number of freebie students on athletic scholarships isn't going to change anything.

 

[97spiderfan]

Looks like Hardt picked a bad time to continue to piss off a sizeable portion of his donor pool. I'm sure he can ask PQ to fill up any shortfalls in donations from us common folk.

 

[spiderman]

what about Title IX?
say a bunch of men's athletes stay but women don't. I'm sure there's a little room but you have to stay about equal, right?

 

[SFspidur]

We're already not in proportion with scholarship dollars...what's a little more?

Student body is 47% male but they get 55% of scholarship money.

(We are right in line on participation slots...47% male...but I expect the number of athletes taking advantage of this will be small enough that any gender imbalance among that group won't have a significant impact on our overall ratios.)

((While we're in line on participation ratios, it's always fudged somewhat because it's slots, not athletes. Our women's track/XC athletes get counted three times each, so the actual ratio of unduplicated athletes is 55% male, just like scholarships. But slots is the metric to determine gender equity.))

 

[spiderman]

thanks, SF. good stuff.

 

[Eight Legger]

Someone else mentioned it in another thread, but what is preventing guys who have come back after graduating from simply taking more undergraduate courses? Is it specifically against the rules or something?

 

[SFspidur]

Yeah, I asked that question. Don't know the answer, but it seems to me you could just keep being an undergrad. There are minimum requirements for graduation progress, but I don't think there are maximums.

 

[spiderman]

I would think you can. but what's the benefit?

 

[spider fan]

You get to continua being a collage student and playing basketball!

 

[spiderman]

I meant what's the benefit of the extra undergrad classes over taking grad classes. either way you stay at UR, which I agree is nice. but at least work towards a masters.

 

[plydogg]

I meant what's the benefit of the extra undergrad classes over taking grad classes. either way you stay at UR, which I agree is nice. but at least work towards a masters.

Agree with you sman, but not everybody after 4 years still has that drive and passion for learning. Hell, I lost mine two years in and after that it was a grind to the finish. If I had a 5th year for athletics after graduating I would have taken the easiest and bare minimum. I’m more in the minority but just to give the other mindset

 

[spiderman]

I get it but that's putting all your eggs in the basketball basket. if you dance I guess it's worth it. but otherwise it's kind of a wasted year.
you only get so many, unfortunately.

 

[spider fan]

Agree that "motivation" would be the key for what you are trying to achieve: playing basketball and/or improving your knowledge base and/or wanting to earn an extra degree.

 

[urmite]

Agree with you sman, but not everybody after 4 years still has that drive and passion for learning. Hell, I lost mine two years in and after that it was a grind to the finish. If I had a 5th year for athletics after graduating I would have taken the easiest and bare minimum. I’m more in the minority but just to give the other mindset

I had a chance for an open elective my freshman year.
So I decided to take the easy A and went with "Advanced Quantum Mechanics".
Everyone asked me, "Are you sure you want to be a Business major?"

 

[SFspidur]

UR’s grad programs are pretty limited. I could see wanting to stay and take more undergrad classes relevant to your major and career goals, especially if you wouldn’t be planning on finishing a masters.

 

[Eight Legger]

Yeah, I think we heard before that we have so few available graduate spots that it was harder to get grad transfers outer keep fifth year seniors because they couldn't just take a few random classes. That may just be another excuse, but I'm willing to hear it, at least.

But they were already accepted to undergrad, so it would seem easier to fit them in some undergrad classes for one more semester.

 

[SpiderK]

UR’s grad programs are pretty limited. I could see wanting to stay and take more undergrad classes relevant to your major and career goals, especially if you wouldn’t be planning on finishing a masters.

You are correct. The selection is extremely limited.

 

[MrTbone]

I meant what's the benefit of the extra undergrad classes over taking grad classes. either way you stay at UR, which I agree is nice. but at least work towards a masters.

Second major possibly. That wouldn't necessarily be a waste. Although I think you're better off at least working on the masters, that way you can say you have already been accepted into a master's program and have done coursework towards an advanced degree.