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Gustavson more playing time, after that hard to guess.................but would figure Matt.....................
Definitely looked like an Achilles to me. And I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I should know.
Likely a combination of guys depending on matchups and foul trouble, but we not talking about needing a lot of minutes to be replaced anyway. Without foul trouble, you can play six guys and get away with it most games.
Every one of the minutes plus some of Yates' should go to Sal. Hoping for a Shawn'dre replacing Ced his freshman year type awakening.
man, I want Sal to be a star as much as anyone here, but I don't see so far what some of you see. he's incredibly raw. to me he needs a lot of work. I know in today's landscape a developmental red shirt doesn't pay, but that would have been ideal. also, I see nothing in his form to make me believe he's as good a shooter as has been claimed.
I'm not a believer in "just give him minutes". I'm also not a believer in "he needs minutes to develop". you can do a ton of development in the gym without playing in real games.
best guys play. I don't think Sal is there. I hope he is next year but we'll have to see how far he comes between now and then. heck, I hope I'm wrong and he lights it up next game. but I'm not going to the sports book with that.
I'm not a believer in "just give him minutes". I'm also not a believer in "he needs minutes to develop". you can do a ton of development in the gym without playing in real games.
best guys play. I don't think Sal is there. I hope he is next year but we'll have to see how far he comes between now and then. heck, I hope I'm wrong and he lights it up next game. but I'm not going to the sports book with that.
This right here. Agreed. Everytime Sal gets in the game, I see him being aggressive and trying to make plays. Yes, developmentally his body is not college ready yet but that type of play should be rewarded.
Contrast that to Yates, who isthe classic Mooney bench player, a guy who is just filling in for a starter. He doesn't do anything bad out there that would get him yanked, but also is not a guy trying to make plays out on the court. Same with Oddo and Grace.
We need play makers, Sal at least shows he wants to be one.
I agree with you about not seeing what others are seeing in Sal. I would say though, it’s hard to get the same level of development in practice, against guys you see every day, as in a game. Game minutes are definitely more valuable, and I think Sal should be getting 5 or so a game, but I don’t think he has earned anything more than that. His build is so slight and I don’t think he’s a great shooter. I hope he develops and proves me wrong
I have no idea if Sal is or isn't ready for more minutes, but wasn't he our highest-rated recruit EVER under Mooney? I don't think those ratings are based on future potential – they're based on current ability. So if our best recruit ever isn't good enough to get more than a few cursory minutes here and there in one of our worst seasons in the past 20 years, what does that tell us?
At this point, we have nothing to lose except a bunch more games. We are a bad team and are not "competing" for anything. We will need to win four games in a row – or possibly five – in March to make anything of this season. There's really no reason for him to be sitting on the bench at this point.
At this point, we have nothing to lose except a bunch more games. We are a bad team and are not "competing" for anything. We will need to win four games in a row – or possibly five – in March to make anything of this season. There's really no reason for him to be sitting on the bench at this point.
Recruiting ratings are not a tell-all. You never play someone because they were recruited highly. You play someone because they will help you and give you the best chance to win.
I’m firmly on the Sal train.
I see length and athleticism. I see fluidity in his movement. His shot has been ok, and his finishing has been good (from limited viewing). This makes me want to get him some more time, or at least some time... At the very least, we could use his length on the wing when Cayo goes out.
I think he’s not getting playing time because of our defensive and offensive schemes. The few times I’ve seen him in, there are times he’s certainly looked lost or was clearly in the wrong spot. But I put that on our coaches to explain it better to him or play a scheme that we can get our more athletic/talented players.
We are still playing for something. When A-10 play started, we were playing for a top four seed so we would only need three wins in the tourney. Now, we need to win as many as possible so we will only need four winds and not five. You always play to win. If guys can give us minutes and help us win, they will be out there. If they can't and are not ready, it is not fair to the other players to put them out there and hurt your chances for a win. Teams can go on a 6-0 or 9-0 run in a minute in college basketball. If a guy is not ready to play, or if the matchup is not the right one for him, it is too risky to put him in there.
We just scored 84 points against a good defensive team and beat that good team in their building. Why are we complaining about someone's playing time after that game?
We just scored 84 points against a good defensive team and beat that good team in their building. Why are we complaining about someone's playing time after that game?
How can you put that on the coaches if a player is lost at times out there? If all the other guys are on page, and one guy is off, you don't want to change your whole game plan to suit the one guy. The one guy needs to step up and make changes, not the other guys.
The team has not gotten much from the bench all season. Last night the three players off the bench had 4 points. Mooney is forced into playing guys he has not utilized much this season. Early season playing time for guys like Sal is important due to injuries. Now the team loses an experienced Johnson. The depth chart has now taken a hit. In reality the team is relying on three players with hopes that Wojcik can hit some threes. The reason the team has struggled is that Gilyard, Cayo and Golden cannot be expected to play lights out on offense and tough on defense night in and night out. Last night was a great night but it has to be tough on those guys to shoulder such a load without any steady relief from the bench.
We are probably get a few wins buts VCU isn't going to be swept again. George Mason is always a bad matchup for us. Our best hope is to finish in middle of the pack. Considering we are currently at the bottom three.
the guy I'm watching is 2-10 from 3 and 5-10 from the line.
I do like his body control and how he's finished. I'm not seeing ok shooting though.
I personally don't think his defense has been awful. he has good feet for a long guy. and he's comfortable handling on the perimeter. he's got skills to work with.
A lot of the negative things being said in this thread about Sal were almost exactly the same comments that were made last season about Cayo. Look where Cayo is now versus last season. Since this season is pretty much a lost cause, why not give all JJ's minutes to Sal and reap the developmental benefit?
Of course, if CM has any connection to reality at this point, he doesn't care about player development because odds are he won't be around to benefit from it.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
Of course, if CM has any connection to reality at this point, he doesn't care about player development because odds are he won't be around to benefit from it.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
Nathan's transformation from last year to this year is remarkable. nothing he did last year could prepare us for what he's doing now.
part of it is opportunity. losing Khwan, Buck, and then Nick certainly opened the door. maybe some of it was the experience from freshman year like you're implying. maybe the rest is hard work in the gym like I'm implying.
Nathan was getting substantial time from day 1 as a freshman. Sal isn't. same coach. that tells you something.
part of it is opportunity. losing Khwan, Buck, and then Nick certainly opened the door. maybe some of it was the experience from freshman year like you're implying. maybe the rest is hard work in the gym like I'm implying.
Nathan was getting substantial time from day 1 as a freshman. Sal isn't. same coach. that tells you something.
Hope springs eternal.................just like the way we play games with the only way to be confident of a win is for the final buzzer sounding and a look at the scoreboard showing the Richmond Spiders have more points than the opponent....................the only way to know that CM has been relieved of his duties is when the announcement is made by UR.....you did say "odds" so give you credit for that.....but those "odds" may be similar to the way the 10 points given to SLU before last night's game turned out................as Dr. Clarence Jung was fond of saying "the only thing certain is uncertainty"....
Cayo had a whopping 4 minutes in his first game last season (Delaware) and had 14 or 15 games where he played 10 minutes or less. Granted, that's more time than Sal is getting. But my point is we have a senior player (JJ) who is likely out for the season, and those minutes would be well-spent giving Sal more experience, developmental experience that would probably pay off like the minutes Cayo got his freshman season.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
We also had less depth last year. It was gilly, Kwan, Buck, Sherod, Grant. Then jj. And then cayo. There was no one with more experience that Mooney could turn to.
This year, Yates has added that 7th man (8th before Sherrod went down). I would expect to see Sal more now just out of necessity.
I do see potential in Sal. I just don't think the answer is putting him out there just to help his development if he's not ready.
coach obviously likes JJ. he's a team leader and he's tough. I agree he doesn't seem to produce much. hopefully he's ok.
coach also has Yates ahead of Sal. I think that's correct right now, even though Yates started off very shaky.
again, it all comes down to whether you think players can develop in practice. once Sal starts showing he's in command in practice, he'll get more time. I think.
but if he's not a shooter and he hasn't shown he is, then how do you play him a lot next to Cayo? plus we're not exactly lights out at the SG position either.
coach obviously likes JJ. he's a team leader and he's tough. I agree he doesn't seem to produce much. hopefully he's ok.
coach also has Yates ahead of Sal. I think that's correct right now, even though Yates started off very shaky.
again, it all comes down to whether you think players can develop in practice. once Sal starts showing he's in command in practice, he'll get more time. I think.
but if he's not a shooter and he hasn't shown he is, then how do you play him a lot next to Cayo? plus we're not exactly lights out at the SG position either.
The larger point is that this season is practically a total loss. Why not play a guy who could use the time to develop his game? The reason he is not playing is that CM is delusional about his own chances of sticking around next season.
#NoMoreMooneyTruthing
LOL! Maybe in your fantasy world my friend but I doubt some here thought that. Explain to me what factual evidence of the team's OOC performance gave you that illusion? I take that back, no need to respond. There's no logical way of discussing issues with you. Keep making me laugh though. Hopefully you not upset I reposted a post of yours from way back at 1:54 PM today? I mean a month back was ancient history last time you complained.
While I agree with this conceptually, I’m not convinced it’s in fact how we manage our minutes. By most measures, JJ was not one of our top 5 but he started a bunch of games until it was clear we were not going anywhere with that approach. Andre needed minutes to develop, we are likely better now than we were 5 games ago as a result.
Not saying Sal is the second coming but if the hypothesis is that we’re better off letting him ride pine while Noah shoots under 30% then we seriously need to re-evaluate our metrics for success.
dude, please. We are not winning the A10 tournament. This is beyond delusional.
Playing for 2020. Let’s act like it.
This narrative continues to crop up and it is nonsense. We do not have four guys who know the matchup zone and are just missing that fifth link. Grant struggles in this D. Other guys struggle as well. We have multiple guys who at times are lost. That is a system problem. Coaches set the system.
I am not saying I don't see much in him. I am just assuming he is not ready to help the team. Get on Mooney all you want, but he's not going to sit guys they have shown in practice they are ready to play. I think too many of you are worried about a recruiting rating and acting like there is no difference in high school and A-10 play. When he is ready, I'm sure Mooney will get him in there.
No way. Never. If I am coaching, I am doing everything I can to win games and give myself the best chance for success in the A-10 tourney. The a-10 is wide open this year. No dominant teams.
There are no dominant teams but vcu, Gmu, Dayton and Davidson are all a heck of a lot better than us.
Guys, I understand your angst with 4700's posts. He is a certified troll. I disagree with spiderman about 75% of the time but he just seems to be a fan that sees things a lot differently, maybe has an ulterior motive to hype Mooney, who knows.
Don't bite on 47's trolling. He will likely be gone with Mooney.
Don't bite on 47's trolling. He will likely be gone with Mooney.
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