T, you hit on it with your few immigrants deal. my norwegian friend says that the guy who killed all of those people there was right on the money as to how everyone feels in that country and now they are being run by others. of course she does not condone what this idiot did but says that everyone feels the same way, they screwed up with what they did. the french did the same and are paying for it and it will continue to get worse there as well. if you have a small country, might get away with taxing everyone to death and providing all with goodies. the usa is just no in the position to do that and we were not founded on those principals either. what we have created is a group of people, not by race, that wants, feels they are owed, to be taken care of by others. that is not productive, positive or reasonable. we have incrementally moved to this position over the last number of decades and now we are paying for it, well trying to pay for it but cannot afford it. i do not want to pay any more taxes for all this spending, just do not. am not selfish, far from it, give back financially and with my time to help others but do not want to continue to pour MY money into that toilet in dc. all they are going to do there is continue to raise the debt ceiling until it all comes tumbling down and then we can all just live miserable lives, what a treat. again, ALL spending, including defense, agriculture, education and on and on, cut it all, eliminate a lot of it, get out of a lot of things. for example, you have businesses who would love to run the interstate rest areas, the state spends millions while they could make money by selling the rights to these businesses, abc stores, get out of that business, so many things govt could do to reduce costs and maybe even make some money but it is about CONTROL, many do not wish to give up that power. govt has the power now that the founding father's feared and tried to protect us from in the early years. they micromanage everything, pass a bazillion laws every year which restrict us more and more and tell us what we can and cannot do. we are on a slippery slope and so many of our citizens just do not realize where we are both financially and liberty-wise. am not a libertarian but do understand their thoughts and support some of their ideas. think we need a strong central govt but we do need to scale it back and do certain things but get out of a lot of things as well, same goes for state and local govt, quit growing, creating new programs that cost more and more. it is obvious that they cannot afford to do what they do now much less add more to it, yet they keep on doing it. like i have said, if they do not wake up, it will take care of itself, we will implode and then we will all live in a manner we do not wish and maybe that is what some folks want.