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we're looking for two out of this group, right?
JP Moorman
Justyn Mutts
Walter Whyte
Chase Johnson
Joseph Thompson
Clifton Moore
all are very impressive to me, but is it overkill at the 3/4 if we bring in two? do we leave ourselves too thin at other spots in 2017/18? tough to count on Paul with all he's been through. if he's not active, who backs up Grant at the 5? none of these guys are that size except Moore, and Solly's not a 5.
plus this would put us at 12. we all want big Bryce in 2018. but you can't go two classes in a row without a PG. the following season we'd have just DMB on the roster at the 1, plus freshmen to be named later. not great balance.
I'm not a believer in "we'll cross that bridge ...".
JP Moorman
Justyn Mutts
Walter Whyte
Chase Johnson
Joseph Thompson
Clifton Moore
all are very impressive to me, but is it overkill at the 3/4 if we bring in two? do we leave ourselves too thin at other spots in 2017/18? tough to count on Paul with all he's been through. if he's not active, who backs up Grant at the 5? none of these guys are that size except Moore, and Solly's not a 5.
plus this would put us at 12. we all want big Bryce in 2018. but you can't go two classes in a row without a PG. the following season we'd have just DMB on the roster at the 1, plus freshmen to be named later. not great balance.
I'm not a believer in "we'll cross that bridge ...".
It's an interesting question. In general I really like making sure we've got plenty of big, versatile guys, and these recruits fit the bill.
I've been of the opinion that the 2018 spots will take care of themselves, but starting to wonder who would be likely to leave and open up spots. Assuming Jesse, Julius, and Paul are happy here, as they seem to be, not sure where spots might come from. This year's frosh and Quis and Bryce all seem to be all in on the Spiders. Obviously PT and other factors can change things, but at this point I'd be very surprised to see any of them transfer out.
So only leaving one spot for 2018 is risky to me. Agree we need to keep an eye on PG spot, and we'd love to have Bryce. Maybe he can play point?
I've been of the opinion that the 2018 spots will take care of themselves, but starting to wonder who would be likely to leave and open up spots. Assuming Jesse, Julius, and Paul are happy here, as they seem to be, not sure where spots might come from. This year's frosh and Quis and Bryce all seem to be all in on the Spiders. Obviously PT and other factors can change things, but at this point I'd be very surprised to see any of them transfer out.
So only leaving one spot for 2018 is risky to me. Agree we need to keep an eye on PG spot, and we'd love to have Bryce. Maybe he can play point?
In my opinion talent/athleticism trumps height to a degree. If we can find a very talented and athletic forward we should take him instead of saving a spot for a center. Teams have shown you can be very successful with a lineup of all 6'6 or under.
As for the point guard we have Fore and Buckingham. We should be ok skipping a year or two of PG. The KA to Ced transition worked out great (1 senior and 1 freshmen PG on the team). I think the only time Mooney ever really had 3 PG on the team simultaneously was during Ced's senior year (Ced, K0, SDJ). Other than that we have only ever had 2 at the same time. JJ, JP and NS can all play at the 2, so we have no shortage of guards as far as I can tell.
As for the point guard we have Fore and Buckingham. We should be ok skipping a year or two of PG. The KA to Ced transition worked out great (1 senior and 1 freshmen PG on the team). I think the only time Mooney ever really had 3 PG on the team simultaneously was during Ced's senior year (Ced, K0, SDJ). Other than that we have only ever had 2 at the same time. JJ, JP and NS can all play at the 2, so we have no shortage of guards as far as I can tell.
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The concern about PG isn't for this next class, it's for 2018. If we only have one spot for that class and really want Bryce for it, then we've gone two years without a PG recruit and we'd have only Buck plus a potential frosh in 2019.
What do we make of the fact that we are bringing in two 6'6" guys together for their official visit, paired with our most vocally positive early commit maybe ever? Do we read that to mean that we want both of those guys and have prioritized them and are bringing them in together with Quis so that they start to feel a camaraderie right away?
Or are we bringing them in together to pit them against each other in a sense – telling them there's one offer, whoever claims it first gets it – on the assumption that a little competition will definitely get one of them to bite?
It's interesting because if we are holding offers for both of them and they both accept, then (as discussed above) we're done for next year's class, at least until someone leaves the program.
Or are we bringing them in together to pit them against each other in a sense – telling them there's one offer, whoever claims it first gets it – on the assumption that a little competition will definitely get one of them to bite?
It's interesting because if we are holding offers for both of them and they both accept, then (as discussed above) we're done for next year's class, at least until someone leaves the program.
yeah, that's what I was saying.
and we always have 3 that can play PG. you have to. in the Ced years, we had Darien and Kendall. when Darien graduated, we brought in SDJ.
we'll still have 3 in17/18 with Khwan, DMB, and Jesse. but the next year would have to be DMB and two freshmen, unless we leave room for someone like Toatley in 18 ... hopefully with big Bryce.
I guess DMB plus two freshmen can work, but you better get at least one really good freshman.
It's a good question, Eight. I get the feeling we do want two more, though. I'd be surprise if we stick at 11 to hold 2 spots for the next year. I think the best option for balance would be 1 more in that class, plus a grad transfer. that way we'd have 12 for the season and 2 openings for Bryce and a PG.
It's also possible that Scheider could be seen as an Ungerer type PG to backup DMB. He handles and passes really well.
Remember we could always use the 13th on a grad transfer as well. We don't have to hold at 12. So we could go one more plus two grads if there are good fits next year. That would leave two spots for 2018 barring any transfers out.
We are indeed loaded at SG, so I hope one or more of them can handle some PG duties. Just not sure who at the college level.
We are indeed loaded at SG, so I hope one or more of them can handle some PG duties. Just not sure who at the college level.
Give me a 6'6"-6'7" guy who can handle the ball and shoot, and I will take them over a 6'10" rebounder any day of the week. For
the primary reason that our offense works best when we have 5 guys on the floor who can shoot from anywhere and can pass and move.
So give me a good pg and a big guard, small forwards and a power forward with versatility and we are cooking with gas.
the primary reason that our offense works best when we have 5 guys on the floor who can shoot from anywhere and can pass and move.
So give me a good pg and a big guard, small forwards and a power forward with versatility and we are cooking with gas.
My sense, based on nothing at all, is that we're in the mix for a few of these guys, possibly have them all ranked about the same and want two of them in some combination, or any combination. If I had to guess, I'd say we would accept verbals from both of the guys coming today.
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That's not quite true - we don't have to actually honor the verbal. That's how we can offer more ships than we have and how Alabama can receive 30 verbals a year in football.
Right, although I guess my assumption (which could be wrong) is that some (most?) offers come with some type of caveat. We've "offered" more than dozen guys, and of course we can't accept all of them. So if we offer a guy two years out and he verbals to us immediately, we're probably not writing it in stone. But the closer it gets to signing day, the more we (and every other school) starts circling back with guys and explaining where things stand. If these two guys decide to verbal tomorrow and then we back out this close to signing day, that would probably be a bad look for us.
I'm sure it's tricky to make all this work. Kinda like figuring out how many kids to accept to school and projecting how many are actually going to accept.
I'm sure it's tricky to make all this work. Kinda like figuring out how many kids to accept to school and projecting how many are actually going to accept.
As was said Thompson to South Alabama. I think the one you are missing is Paul Atkinson. He is visiting in 18 days....
Have we heard anything on the status of Tomas Verbinskis?
So maybe this list?
Walter Whyte
JP Moorman
Tomas Verbinskis
Justyn Mutts
Chase Johnson
Paul Atkinson
Clifton Moore
All I am saying is that since KA's freshmen season we have had over 95% of minutes at the PG spot played by only 2 people (with the exception of 2014) In the list below, at least 1 of the players listed was on the court playing PG for over 95% of the minutes that season.
* for freshmen players
2008
KA*, Gonzo
2009
KA, Gonzo
2010
KA, Gonzo
2011
KA, Ced*
2012
Ced, K0*
2013
Ced, K0
2014
Ced, K0, SDJ*
2015
K0, SDJ
2016
SDJ, KF*
So in the last 9 years we have only had 1 season where we actually played more than 2 PG. In 5 of those 9 seasons one of the two PGs we played was a freshmen. Of course we had players at the 2 who could switch to PG if we needed, but we never really played DB without a PG on the court (either KA, Ced, K0). We have NS who could possibly play PG if needed. Mooney has an incredible track record with PGs, it is the position I would worry the least about for his teams.
I was going to make a joke comment about TJ playing point one of the last two seasons, but...did Pomeroy change his criteria for point guard? TJ isn't listed that way at all anymore.
Borrowing SF's list from the recruiting thread, are these our non guard recruits?
- Greg Jones (SF) Local, no thread?
- Chase Johnson (SF) May reclassify to 2018?
- JP Moorman (SF) current official visit
- Aaron Wheeler (SF)
- Walter Whyte (SF) previous unofficial visit
- Paul Atkinson (PF) future official visit
- Rayshaun Hammonds (PF) Not committed but we are not on cut list
- Clifton Moore Jr. (PF)
- Justyn Mutts (PF) current official visit
- Greg Jones (SF) Local, no thread?
- Chase Johnson (SF) May reclassify to 2018?
- JP Moorman (SF) current official visit
- Aaron Wheeler (SF)
- Walter Whyte (SF) previous unofficial visit
- Paul Atkinson (PF) future official visit
- Rayshaun Hammonds (PF) Not committed but we are not on cut list
- Clifton Moore Jr. (PF)
- Justyn Mutts (PF) current official visit
understood, 2011. we won't play a 3rd PG unless forced to. but you HAVE to have someone who can in case one guy goes down. the other (if you only have 2) can't play 40 mpg. we've always had SGs who were combo guards who could play PG. we don't in the group we're talking about. (Jesse yes, but we're talking about the year he graduates). Nick is NOT a combo guard. maybe Schneider is.
Right. As I start looking into it, some speculate that the feud between Lonergan and the AD caused admissions not to give him any benefit of the doubt.
We had early interest in him, right? I don't see us listed on Verbal Commits, and if academics were an issue at GW, probably would be the same here. BUT... Shawnta was the most exciting player I've ever watched in person. I think this son is supposed to be better than his other son, who played at Delaware. And we sort of have a thing for small guards.
Where on campus is he standing with his mom. I haven't seen that red logo before, I don't think.
I believe that's in the new admissions building that just opened a few weeks ago.
Now
- Greg Jones (SF) Local, no thread?
- Chase Johnson (SF) May reclassify to 2018?
- JP Moorman (SF) previous official visit
- Aaron Wheeler (SF)
- Walter Whyte (SF) previous unofficial visit
- Rayshaun Hammonds (PF) Not committed but we are not on cut list
- Clifton Moore Jr. (PF)
Has anyone, not just us, heard anything about Greg Jones?
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