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[Spiderbymarriage]

I won't comment on Davis's three pointer in that situation or his being the guy on the miracle three pointer by GW at the end of regulation.

You "won't comment" but certainly seem to be implying that they're worth criticizing. You realize Trey MADE that 3 (maybe the biggest shot of the game), and the GW shot was a lucky prayer that took a double backboard hit to go in. Nothing wrong with the D there.

Look, plenty of the criticisms of TD's game are legit -- but it's ridiculous when people go out of their way to criticize him for the things he's doing well. Be a fan for a minute and be happy that the 3 points he did score that night were absolutely huge.

 

[97spiderfan]

Sdj and 1 bucket at the end of the first overtime was pretty darn huge. Trey's bucket was big and Trey's defense at the end of regulation was really good. Kid made a fadeaway 3 pointer from beyond nba distance .with pressure in his face. That shot was pure luck.

 

[bongturk]

You "won't comment" but certainly seem to be implying that they're worth criticizing. You realize Trey MADE that 3 (maybe the biggest shot of the game), and the GW shot was a lucky prayer that took a double backboard hit to go in. Nothing wrong with the D there.

Look, plenty of the criticisms of TD's game are legit -- but it's ridiculous when people go out of their way to criticize him for the things he's doing well. Be a fan for a minute and be happy that the 3 points he did score that night were absolutely huge.

I won't blame him for his defense on the made three although that guy should never have been allowed to take that shot. Yes he made a big shot in a big spot. Where were you when he clanked one in a similar spot in the JMU game???? Do you really want him taking that shot in the next game that presents a similar situation? I don't, primarily because, although the stat man will tell us how good a three point shooter he is, he doesn't shoot them enough to make me confident that he will do it on a more consistent basis than some of our better three point shooters. In both cases I think Mooney should have told him to foul and not to shoot. In this game both things worked out in Richmond's favor. I just don't think either was a high percentage play. I shouldn't criticize him when really I should be critical of Mooney. I think Davis is a great hustler and can be a good passer. At the same time he does many things that just don't help the team and that a senior should not be doing.
By the way, I didn't go out of my way at all. I also don't see how if the guy got the shot off and made it you say "Nothing wrong with the defense there."

 

[urfan1]

Trey took 4 shots in the game, it's not like he throws it up every time he touches the ball. I suspect he's played more minutes than anybody on this board. If he's feeling it, or thinks its one he can make, take the shot. If he hits enough the D cannot leave him alone when he's out on the floor.

 

[bongturk]

Trey took 4 shots in the game, it's not like he throws it up every time he touches the ball. I suspect he's played more minutes than anybody on this board. If he's feeling it, or thinks its one he can make, take the shot. If he hits enough the D cannot leave him alone when he's out on the floor.

It is hard to know where to start. Who said he shot all the time? It is precisely because he hardly ever shoots because he has no confidence in his shot that he should not be shooting in a critical situation like that. What exactly does the amount of minutes he has played have to do with anyone on this board who is not a member of the basketball team and therefore not eligible to play any minutes ???? So the criteria now for shooting is if a player is "feeling it" or " thinks he can make it" ???? I always thought "feeling it" only happened after a series of made shots as in Woods just made seven in a row, he was really "feeling it."
So what you are saying, mister moderator, is that Davis has shot so very little in almost every single game this year because he wasn't "feeling it" and /or "didn't think he could make it", but in this situation in this the nineteenth game of the year he suddenly was. If that is the case I certainly stand corrected and hope he will start to "feel it" and "think he can make it" much more often. There have been many games this year when we could have used ten or more points from him, particularly when some other guys weren't scoring.
I have no problem with people defending Davis because they like him. That's all well and good, but if a guy who hardly ever shoots suddenly decides to shoot a three pointer in a critical position, I still think the percentages are against him and I would rather have someone else shoot it in that case. I apologize for not having played as many minutes as Trey or even John Moran.

 

[SpiderGuy]

It is hard to know where to start. Who said he shot all the time? It is precisely because he hardly ever shoots because he has no confidence in his shot that he should not be shooting in a critical situation like that. What exactly does the amount of minutes he has played have to do with anyone on this board who is not a member of the basketball team and therefore not eligible to play any minutes ???? So the criteria now for shooting is if a player is "feeling it" or " thinks he can make it" ???? I always thought "feeling it" only happened after a series of made shots as in Woods just made seven in a row, he was really "feeling it."
So what you are saying, mister moderator, is that Davis has shot so very little in almost every single game this year because he wasn't "feeling it" and /or "didn't think he could make it", but in this situation in this the nineteenth game of the year he suddenly was. If that is the case I certainly stand corrected and hope he will start to "feel it" and "think he can make it" much more often. There have been many games this year when we could have used ten or more points from him, particularly when some other guys weren't scoring.
I have no problem with people defending Davis because they like him. That's all well and good, but if a guy who hardly ever shoots suddenly decides to shoot a three pointer in a critical position, I still think the percentages are against him and I would rather have someone else shoot it in that case. I apologize for not having played as many minutes as Trey or even John Moran.

Well stated!!!!! All points - right on target. I enjoy reading posts with substance, & this one certainly is.

 

[MrTbone]

I have no problem with people defending Davis because they like him. That's all well and good, but if a guy who hardly ever shoots suddenly decides to shoot a three pointer in a critical position, I still think the percentages are against him and I would rather have someone else shoot it in that case. I apologize for not having played as many minutes as Trey or even John Moran.

Of note, the percentages are technically for him...40.7%. Not saying I didn't cringe like most folks on this board did when he let that one fly, but he shouldn't get roasted for taking and making a big shot.

Interestingly, his three point form looks way more desirable than his free throw form.

 

[fan2011]

Of note, the percentages are technically for him...40.7%. Not saying I didn't cringe like most folks on this board did when he let that one fly, but he shouldn't get roasted for taking and making a big shot.

Interestingly, his three point form looks way more desirable than his free throw form.

True, Trey averages more than one 3pt attempt a game and makes over 40% of them. He is good at choosing shots that are likely to go in.

 

[97spiderfan]

Trey made exactly one big play in his 27 minutes of time. Had Marshall scored 3 points in 27 minutes, the same people that defend Trey would be roasting Marshall.

I think a very viable argument could be made that had Khwan gotten 5 more minutes of Trey's time in regulation, we wouldn't have needed Trey's sole bucket in OT, because Khwan would have probably made something good happen in those 5 minutes.

Trey also bobbled a ball out of bounds with less than a minute to go in regulation that gave the ball back to GW after we had stopped them and they then converted it. That was a huge play had Trey just been able to corral the ball.

Now granted any player could have lost that ball, but when people want to make out that Trey's one made bucket was the singular big shot of the game, than I think that it is fair to point out other 26 plus minutes he played as well.

 

[urfan1]

Bong you win the prize for twisting the meaning of my words, more than I can remember by anybody. Your reading is so far off I will not waste time responding point by point. I will only to say it's a shame that one is attacked for supporting a senior player (who was being attacked for taking a shot) who hit a critical shot in a much needed victory. BTW one of my points was if he could shoot and hit more the D would have to pay more attention to him.

 

[MrTbone]

Trey made exactly one big play in his 27 minutes of time. Had Marshall scored 3 points in 27 minutes, the same people that defend Trey would be roasting Marshall.

I think a very viable argument could be made that had Khwan gotten 5 more minutes of Trey's time in regulation, we wouldn't have needed Trey's sole bucket in OT, because Khwan would have probably made something good happen in those 5 minutes.

Trey also bobbled a ball out of bounds with less than a minute to go in regulation that gave the ball back to GW after we had stopped them and they then converted it. That was a huge play had Trey just been able to corral the ball.

Now granted any player could have lost that ball, but when people want to make out that Trey's one made bucket was the singular big shot of the game, than I think that it is fair to point out other 26 plus minutes he played as well.

Respectfully disagree on the roasting point. Most of trey's supporters are broadly positive on all of our players, including Marshall, whereas there's a very vocal group of detractors of both TD and DT.

I make no judgments as to the broader point of whether or not the contributions by TD were good/bad/irrelevant, I'm just saying give the guy some goodwill for making a shot when it mattered.

 

[97spiderfan]

Go back and look after the VCU game, when Marshall scored 5 points. Several posters said he "lost the game for us". Additionally, Marshall is constantly pounded upon for being a lousy defender by similar posters, who think his only positive attribute to the team is his ability to launch 3's.

The reality is this is less about some posters defending Trey and more about them defending CM and his strategic decision to start him. They have lost the argument on any conceivable metric that you could possibly measure, so the last resort is to pump up the "intangibles" defense and blow completely out of proportion anytime he makes a play.

"Trey shot's was the biggest of the game", way bigger than the 7 3's Marshall hit, way bigger than Khwan's all world effort in the 2nd OT and 18 points he gave from the same position, playing against the same players Trey was playing against.

It is just a double standard in my opinion.

 

[urfan1]

Wow

 

[SpiderRick]

Fan1 said " BTW one of my points was if he could shoot and hit more the D would have to pay more attention to him."

Isn't this the argument some here have been using as a reason to start Marshall Wood and Khwan Fore?

 

[urfan1]

Sure is

 

[MolivaManiac]

Trey needs more minutes, IMO. Great all around player.

 

[SpiderK]

Trey needs more minutes, IMO. Great all around player.

Next year will be Trey's break out year. Don't give up on him yet.

 

[urfan1]

Someone has a sense of humor

 

[Marley13]

How many more minutes can he play? He must lead the team in minutes played. Got no problem with that as long as he's not on the court with DT for extended periods. He definitely plays his ass off.

 

[MrTbone]

Go back and look after the VCU game, when Marshall scored 5 points. Several posters said he "lost the game for us". Additionally, Marshall is constantly pounded upon for being a lousy defender by similar posters, who think his only positive attribute to the team is his ability to launch 3's.

The reality is this is less about some posters defending Trey and more about them defending CM and his strategic decision to start him. They have lost the argument on any conceivable metric that you could possibly measure, so the last resort is to pump up the "intangibles" defense and blow completely out of proportion anytime he makes a play.

"Trey shot's was the biggest of the game", way bigger than the 7 3's Marshall hit, way bigger than Khwan's all world effort in the 2nd OT and 18 points he gave from the same position, playing against the same players Trey was playing against.

It is just a double standard in my opinion.

Again, I would disagree, there is no comparable vehemence to what's been posted about TD and DT. I'm not a fan of it but to each his own I guess. I'm not a supporter of starting both together, maybe 1 of 2.

I just think it was a big shot where it happened in the game. Nothing wrong with giving the guy some props.

 

[MolivaManiac]

How many more minutes can he play? He must lead the team in minutes played. Got no problem with that as long as he's not on the court with DT for extended periods. He definitely plays his ass off.

At this point, he doesn't play all of them, but he should. He has tremendous endurance.

 

[SpiderK]

Someone has a sense of humor

Honestly, Trey baffles the hell out of me. He took over the RPI game going to the basket with athletic drives and short pull up jumpers. I truly feel he can do that whenever he wants to. Does he fear shooting free throws?? I just don't understand his lack of aggressiveness to the basket, since he plays so hard at all other facets of the game.

 

[MolivaManiac]

He needs more minutes to get into a rhythm. That's all.

 

[bongturk]

Bong you win the prize for twisting the meaning of my words, more than I can remember by anybody. Your reading is so far off I will not waste time responding point by point. I will only to say it's a shame that one is attacked for supporting a senior player (who was being attacked for taking a shot) who hit a critical shot in a much needed victory. BTW one of my points was if he could shoot and hit more the D would have to pay more attention to him.

Mr. Moderator, sorry you feel this way but it is understandable. Your last sentence is a pure indicator of your point of view. I would love to hear how I misinterpreted your post point by point. Send me a PM if you don't want to air it publicly. What you and others don't understand is that the criticism isn't for him making a shot in this situation it is for him taking the shot when he has shot so infrequently all season. You and others believe that if a non shooter happens to make a shot in a big situation it probably would happen more than once. Or, even though he might miss this shot more times than he makes it we don't care because he made it this time.
Some people look at each single situation as all that matters. He made the shot that's all that counts. Some people look at each situation as it relates to all the other situations that have preceded it and probably those that will follow. Maybe it is just a difference in perspective.
I would love to hear how I misinterpreted the irrelevancy of minutes played though.

 

[SpiderRick]

Davis is third on the team in minutes played behind Allen and Jones. Wood has played more minutes than Taylor, but only because Taylor was injured two games.

 

[MolivaManiac]

I think the results would be pretty incredible if Trey and Deion were able to play more minutes together, though. For both of them, individually, and for the team collectively.

 

[SpiderK]

I think the results would be pretty incredible if Trey and Deion were able to play more minutes together, though. For both of them, individually, and for the team collectively.

Only if Moran is on the point with them.

 

[MolivaManiac]

Don't be silly.

 

[urmite]

Ok, since this thread is already off the rails, I'll ask a question that I have been wondering. When Moran came into the Davidson game was it as a 2 or a 3?

 

[SpiderK]

Ok, since this thread is already off the rails, I'll ask a question that I have been wondering. When Moran came into the Davidson game was it as a 2 or a 3?

Seemed to me to be a 2, but he was shaking so bad I couldn't tell.

 

[urmite]

Davis is third on the team in minutes played behind Allen and Jones. Wood has played more minutes than Taylor, but only because Taylor was injured two games.

Actually Wood averaged 23 to Taylor's 21 not including those two games. So more but not by much...

 

[3genspider]

Hope the team is more efficient tomorrw than this thread became.