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Before I post some observations, I'm going to vent for a second.

We have a 10 day mid season break to play a team at home that just got housed by St. Louis, the worst team in the league not named LaSalle, with our season on the line, and this is the performance we put on. Low energy, no sense of urgency, 2 man bench, playing walk-ons over our recruited freshman. Just wow.

I could swallow losing to St. Joes and VCU at home because at least I could say well they are good team and we competed really well. I could swallow a road loss to a wounded Rhode Island by saying the Rhody is just a bad match-up for us. Tonight, the only thing I can see is that we are plain and simple not very good and are in fact regressing as a team.

So, game observations:

1. Terry and TJ great solid all around games.
2. I know they are called 50-50 balls, but for us they are more like 10-90 balls. If a ball is loose and on the floor, just chalk it up, that we aren't getting it. Those to me are your hustle balls.
3. The battle at the 2 guard. Khwan played 30 really good minutes tonight, thought he was one of the few players who brought a lot of energy. He was fun to watch. Only positive was him getting the majority of time at that position over Trey.
4. Davidson played so far off of Deion and Trey, they were just daring them to be part of the offense. Even playing off that far, you would think a senior Division 1 athlete could knock down an open jumper or take the wide lane they were giving them to drive to the hoop. . And then you remember this is Trey and Deion and they collectively scored 2 points in their 43 minutes of time. And no, they didn't play great defense either.
5. Marshall didn't give us anything either.
6. By far the most disappointing aspect about tonight on night of abject disappointment is the fact that we are now officially running a 7 man rotation. Anyone else notice the wall of coaches between our 2 subs and the rest of the team. I just don't understand it.
 
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The fact that Marshall Wood scored zero points tonight just reinforces my appeal to start him.
1. For the umpteenth time, he is a RHYTHM SHOOTER. Obviously he's not comfortable coming in for two, three, four minutes at a time.
2. When he doesn't score, it's because he's being guarded closely. That means somebody else is NOT being double teamed. Just for that reason alone Wood is valuable.
3. He is not a senior, give him more opportunity to show us what we've already seen him do when he has started.
4. Even on a bad day he is much more valuable than Deion Taylor has ever shown us.
5. Tonight showed us that more than ever we need a guy out there that is a legitimate three-point threat.
 
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What are the chances we go 0-15 from three? 0% Thats crazy. If it's not one thing it's another that does us in.

Seems like on D we give up so many easy baskets and put backs. Guys seem to be playing tentative at times to not pick up fouls inside.

Listened to Bob and Greg. They said not surprised Moran got in. Said it was already on the docket and he was playing well in practice. Hmmm what does it say about others? I just think Mooney will never sit a senior or junior over a frosh unless they are exceptional and even then not sure how often it would happen. Obviously he sees more in practice everyday and doesn't feel comfortable. Tho he keeps saying they need more playing time.

What a disappointing season especially after the promising start. I really felt like this was our last run until the next round of recruits mature.
 
Time to get ready for next year. Play the youngsters. Maybe get lucky and win 4 games in a row in March. It's possible in this very weak A-10.
 
Shut down the opponent's big time threat, only to have a role player drop in a career high on us. Obviously the troll didn't see the game. A familiar story for us for this to happen.
 
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0-15. What in the world did they for10 days to get dead legs. Was the day in the life of Trey shot during the break. I'm not a trainer nor did I sleep in a Holiday inn express but why are you doing strength building in mid season? There has to be some reason a entire team has dead legs, where shooting starts.
 
97spiderfan said:
Anyone else notice the wall of coaches between our 2 subs and the rest of the team. I just don't understand it.
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Noticed this too. I haven't been able to figure out why the DoBO's are the barrier between 2 off the bench players and rest of the team.
 
Moran got passed the Great Wall of coaches for a minute when he came out of the game, then ran back to his spot at the end of the bench when Trey came out of the game and replaced him in the on deck circle - that whole thing looked really odd to me.
 
SpiderRick said:
Shut down the opponent's big time threat, only to have a role player drop in a career high on us. Obviously the troll didn't see the game. A familiar story for us for this to happen.
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Aldridge averages 16.3 per game, 6.4 rebounds, and shoots 87% from the line. Cause & effect from either not having or not executing a smart game plan.
 
ur2K said:
Moran got passed the Great Wall of coaches for a minute when he came out of the game, then ran back to his spot at the end of the bench when Trey came out of the game and replaced him in the on deck circle - that whole thing looked really odd to me.
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Unexplainable in a rational world. Maybe an ill advised attempt to send a message? Doesn't make sense.
 
This game was a perfect illustration of why you don't play two non scorers at the same time and also why in the lead up to the conference schedule you must play your bench in 20 and 30 point blowouts against Cupcake U.
Since no one , especially the defensive "specialists" could guard their big guy, why not, even if he fouled out in five minutes, try the big guy and tell him to play in front of their big guy and deny him the ball?
It is so obvious, even the paper's reporter noted that these guys are afraid to play tight defense because we have almost no bench.
To keep things in perspective, if Gibbs had had even an almost normal shooting night (and he had plenty of open looks) they would have beaten us by twenty. Maybe his bad night shooting canceled out our horrific shooting from three point land. perhaps this is where a coach tries something different on offense and takes out the two non scorers and tries someone else. I counted six or seven scores that Davis gave up and three or four(at least) that Taylor gave up. While Cline and Allen aren't tremendous on defense, at least they can score to offset their lack of defense. Taylor and Davis can't or wont. I guess our stat man will tell me how wrong I am on this point.
Great contribution by Kwon who at under six feet is unafraid to go to the basket. Davis is six five, gets right under the basket and throws the ball out to the corner.
Actually, the reason Moran was in was because Mooney wanted to put Jesse in but he said his feet were asleep.
 
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SpiderRick said:
The fact that Marshall Wood scored zero points tonight just reinforces my appeal to start him.
1. For the umpteenth time, he is a RHYTHM SHOOTER. Obviously he's not comfortable coming in for two, three, four minutes at a time.
2. When he doesn't score, it's because he's being guarded closely. That means somebody else is NOT being double teamed. Just for that reason alone Wood is valuable.
3. He is not a senior, give him more opportunity to show us what we've already seen him do when he has started.
4. Even on a bad day he is much more valuable than Deion Taylor has ever shown us.
5. Tonight showed us that more than ever we need a guy out there that is a legitimate three-point threat.
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he played 24 minutes and got up 2 shots. he's certainly not out there for his defense. he's got to do something to get free and score points. being a decoy isn't enough.
 
On the plus side last night, Khwan played 30 minutes and Trey played 23 minutes. Khwan played almost the entire second half (and played quite well again) and Trey had a fair amount of bench time. I've been fooled before by CM, but is this a small chink in the armor of deference to seniority. With the exception of the second half of the VCU game, Khwan has been consistently outplaying Trey over the past month. Perhaps, just perhaps Mooney is beginning to realize this.
 
spiderman said:
he played 24 minutes and got up 2 shots. he's certainly not out there for his defense. he's got to do something to get free and score points. being a decoy isn't enough.
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Coaches and you heard it all the time mostly with football, "I have to put my players in a better position." CM IMO could do a better job of this like with his patented under the offensive basket inbounds plays.

No brainer for me also that MW should start. Way the season is going really like to see KF along with him in the starting 5. And as been said before by posters here previously, Free PF! Have to score first. Said it before and say it again, can't be winning 0 to -3 couple minutes into the game.

CM did get 58 minutes out of his bench equally 29%.
 
Khwan’s earning more and more time by making plays, hustling, and proving he belongs out there. He’s out-playing the guy in front of him. That’s how you earn playing time. It doesn’t get handed to you. There’s no “give him more time to see what he can do”. Does anyone really think Coach doesn’t want to play certain kids? Of course not. He wants players to take the f’in bull by the horns. Get your opportunity and run with it. And it starts in practice.

Make plays. Hit shots. Don’t play scared. And don’t pout. This is a man’s game. Man up. You want to play, prove it. I’m not handing you anything.
 
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Last game Jesse played, he "made plays, and hit shots", didn't get him anytime the 2 games though. I personally don't think Julius does much of anything out when he is out there, but Jesse plays with intensity and has shown he can contribute, so I'm really confused as to why both Julius and a walk-on played in front of them, albeit both in cameo roles. And I highly doubt, Jesse is not giving 100% in practice.
 
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97spiderfan said:
Last game Jesse played, he "made plays, and hit shots", didn't get him anytime the 2 games though. I personally don't think Julius does much of anything out when he is out there, but Jesse plays with intensity and has shown he can contribute, so I'm really confused as to why both Julius and a walk-on played in front of them, albeit both in cameo roles. And I highly doubt, Jesse is not giving 100% in practice.
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Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately I didn't see pre-game or half-time warm-ups so don't know how JP was moving but watched closely during the post-game handshakes and thought he was gimping through the handshake line. Did anyone else notice if he was moving well during warmups?
 
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he played 24 minutes and got up 2 shots. he's certainly not out there for his defense. he's got to do something to get free and score points. being a decoy isn't enough.
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Valid points here Spiderman, agree with your premise. Marshall Wood is not consistently playing like we need him to play. He needs to contribute more.

As you know, there are only a handful of shooters (Kendal Anthony was one) who are instant offense, microwave type of players. Very few can come in on fire. Even fewer can come in on fire, play a short stretch, and then come in on fire again throughout the course of a game.

I am not convinced that Wood is the answer. But, so far, he hasn't shown that he can consistently have success as a microwave type of shooter. From that perspective I do think that the management of his playing time is a factor in his success.
 
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Not-A-Homer said:
Valid points here Spiderman, agree with your premise. Marshall Wood is not consistently playing like we need him to play. He needs to contribute more.

As you know, there are only a handful of shooters (Kendal Anthony was one) who are instant offense, microwave type of players. Very few can come in on fire. Even fewer can come in on fire, play a short stretch, and then come in on fire again throughout the course of a game.

I am not convinced that Wood is the answer. But, so far, he hasn't shown that he can consistently have success as a microwave type of shooter. From that perspective I do think that the management of his playing time is a factor in his success.
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Not sure if Wood is the answer either but I know for sure two that aren't the answer. That only leaves 5.
 
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Last game Jesse played, he "made plays, and hit shots", didn't get him anytime the 2 games though. I personally don't think Julius does much of anything out when he is out there, but Jesse plays with intensity and has shown he can contribute, so I'm really confused as to why both Julius and a walk-on played in front of them, albeit both in cameo roles. And I highly doubt, Jesse is not giving 100% in practice.
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Jesse would definitely by my 8th man if not 6th. ENERGY!!!!!!
 
It's the chef's fault either way, but the problem is that there aren't enough good ingredients in the kitchen ... not that the chef isn't using the right ingredients at his disposal.

Argue about Marshall or Jesse or whoever needing more minutes all you want but we just don't have enough A10 caliber players.
 
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I've been dreading coming on the board since last night. All I can say is you can't go 0-15 from 3. You just can't.

Lots of other positives. Rebounding battle went to Spiders, good number on turnovers, steals and assists. Didn't shoot great but good enough to win and FT shooting was quite good compared to our norm.

None of that means anything when you go 0-15. Oh, and we couldn't stop anything down low. 0 blocks. 0. Someone please tell me that ANO would not have been good to have in this game.
 
all the interior defense problems all year mean ANO and Garrett before him may be more vital to this defense than we anticipated. problem is, we don't have another like them coming up. we've got the skilled, good shooting, good passing big men that we love. but no rim protector, shot alter guy. I know some here don't like "block the shot", but our defense has been crap since we didn't have a guy that can.

I love Jesse's energy. I still think he and Julius are players. I have no answer why they haven't produced more in their limited time. Khwan's earning time. that means it can be done.
 
All our opponents bigs need to do when receiving the ball down low is decide whether to go right or left. Almost never see any weak side help.
 
We can't win when we shoot 0-15 from 3, especially with the defense we have this year. Not really any other observations to make. At this point we have to hope the shots start falling during the A10 tournament.
 
ANO would not necessarily have helped. With our alleged defense and all the switching would, more often than not, find ANO and other bigs out on the wing when ball goes into the paint.
 
so why was our defense so much better the last 8 years? teams suddenly figured it out, huh?
 
Rules changes, maybe? Lack of defensive cohesion/talent? Other strong defensive teams are suddenly experiencing defensive lapses night in, night out (UVa, etc)
 
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Valid points here Spiderman, agree with your premise. Marshall Wood is not consistently playing like we need him to play. He needs to contribute more.

As you know, there are only a handful of shooters (Kendal Anthony was one) who are instant offense, microwave type of players. Very few can come in on fire. Even fewer can come in on fire, play a short stretch, and then come in on fire again throughout the course of a game.

I am not convinced that Wood is the answer. But, so far, he hasn't shown that he can consistently have success as a microwave type of shooter. From that perspective I do think that the management of his playing time is a factor in his success.
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Also after those 7 straight 3s the other teams aren't leaving his side. The offense needs to adjust to get him open in other ways.
 
spiderman said:
so why was our defense so much better the last 8 years? teams suddenly figured it out, huh?
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I think it is because we lack really good defensive players this year. Last year, we had ANO who was a great rim protector and Kendall who was very tenacious and underrated defender. Kendall would pick up a charge or two every game for us, create a steal or two, or just wear another guard now by harassing him all night.

Who is an above average defender on this team? I can't think of one and you couple that with some players who have some real defensive liabilities and that adds up to just a bad overall defense. I do think Khwan has potential to be a nice defender. He is very disruptive up top and can create steals by doing so, he still needs to work on stopping dribble penetration at times though.
 
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All our opponents bigs need to do when receiving the ball down low is decide whether to go right or left. Almost never see any weak side help.
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Have been seeing this all year. Just can't believe there are no adjustments made for this. I'd love to hear this addressed on the coach's show.
 
I think the rules changes have some to do with our D issues.

"Scoring in Division I men’s basketball dipped to 67.6 points a game last season, which neared historic lows for the sport.

The key areas officials will focus on in the upcoming season are:
• Perimeter defense, particularly on the dribbler and strictly enforcing directives established before the 2013-14 season.
• Physicality in post play.
• Screening, particularly moving screens and requiring the screener to be stationary.
• Block/charge plays.
• Allowing greater freedom of movement for players without the ball."
 
Another issue is that our supposed "defensive specialist" really are not that good on D. Time and time again when in 1 on 1 situations, we lose the battle. Even after going 0 for 15 from 3, we still scored enough points to win the game. Honestly, we just give up too many points to be a top level A-10 team.
 
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