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yes to vcu. I was a year off w my prediction. probably bc he hadn’t graduated yet last year. This extra covid year will give some guys opportunities. Same w ours as long as team have spots which many will.
Forgot he could do that. Not really sure what happened this year at CSUB for him. I think he was their leading scorer for awhile but he wasn't starting or in the game at crunch times down the stretch or in their tourney run.
How about he and Nick come back and run things back one more time next year?
How about he and Nick come back and run things back one more time next year?
His production has definitely fallen since he left Richmond.
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Turns out you can, but you count against your new team’s limit of 13 schollies. If you stay at your present school, you don’t count.
I figured he was gona grad transfer back there as well. Most certainly is not coming back here. No idea what there roster situation is but if they have an open spot he’ll probably go there although he doesn’t seem like the same player he was his freshman year here.
Whatever issues Buck is facing, I wish him only the best. He was the mainstay of this team, when he left. He was a favorite and he was missed.
Nor here either, but I would love to have him back. Buck plays with a fire and energy.
Yep. Kind of like Francis, Buck never softened up. Too bad we didn't have the chance to have the aggressiveness of the two of them on the the court at the same time.
0-1 Q1
0-3 Q2
3-4 Q3
10-4 Q4
NET 227 is overachieving?
I thought he might transfer to start at the other RU...
Now that would be overachieving.
They were picked sixth in the Big South and finished second.
Overachieving is obviously a relative term, but with respect to expectations, it looks like they did. They lost virtually everyone off of last year's squad.
Overachieving is obviously a relative term, but with respect to expectations, it looks like they did. They lost virtually everyone off of last year's squad.
Overachieving... That's a word you don't hear around here at all. Have we ever overachieved under Mooney? Ever? Did we ever finish way better in league play than expected? Did he ever take a young talk to the finals of the A10? Or hell, even the semifinals? Seems like the only times we were good was when we were expected to be good, and only one year did that actually pan out. Pathetic.
Buck really has to find the right fit with the right roster. he's position-less. not sure a lot of coaches can figure out how to use him.
all of his stats were worse at CSB. he's not a point, but he's certainly not a shooting guard. maybe he can play a short 3 if you have a shooting PG,
all of his stats were worse at CSB. he's not a point, but he's certainly not a shooting guard. maybe he can play a short 3 if you have a shooting PG,
Last year we were picked sixth and finished second. And of course it's the year everything got torpedoed.
I'm not even going by preseason polls so much. I mean we knew last year we should have a good year. We had five juniors. But even if we consider that overachieving, is that it? One time in 16 years?
Know it’s a drop down to d2 but would love to see him at VUU. He’d tear it up on that level. Wouldn’t be shocked if he wound back up at VCU one bit.
2005–06: 11th > T–11th
2006–07: 12th > T–12th
2007–08: 12th >T–4th
2008–09: 8th > T–5th
2009–10: 3rd > 3rd
2010–11: 3rd > 3rd
2011–12: 5th > T–9th
2012–13: 10th > T–8th
2013–14: 6th > 7th
2014–15: 5th > T–4th
2015–16: 6th > 9th
2016–17: 6th > T–3rd
2017–18: 8th > T–5th
2018–19: 10th > T–10th
2019–20: 6th > 2nd
2020–21: 1st > 8th
He wouldn't be in the top 10 on VCU's roster next year, unless 8 leave.
that's your take based on the stats provided?
unless I'm misunderstanding, we've overachieved more often than underachieved based on the polls and actual results.
but don't let it spoil the narrative.
S-man, serious question. You are obviously a big Spider fan as we all are. My question to you: Do you think this is the best we can be? I ask because to me it is not even close, and I think with the right leadership we are capable of much, much more. In my opinion, our admin thinks way to small and undervalues both the football and basketball programs. Its even more frustrating because we have been successful in the past. Interested to hear your response because you seem to still support the status quo (I think).
But those stats are gross. That should be the narrative. Coach Mooney, or our players, isn't respected enough to be picked very high often. I put on Mooney's rep not players. The one time picked 1st or 2nd, we have the most underachieving season in our history. And never picked higher than 3rd otherwise. Which makes sense b/c in 16 YEARS we've finished 2nd or higher just once. Never 1st, 2nd last season in the year that didn't even count.
2 out 16 NCAAs. Never winning the league. 7-20 vs. rival. Yet get paid and have $$ put into the program at the top level of the league.
And we just finished supposedly the "best class ever" window, we now head into a down cycle.
But that's ok our A10 tourney performance must make up for it all right? Whoopsie. That's even worse.
NO NO NO. EL is right here, look at those stats, he never ever overshoots the expecations, big deal he had some years where he over shot by 2 places. Look at VCU this year. Look at SDSU, they lost an NBA draft pick and a bunch of really really good players and have a roster of grinders and finished one in conference and no. 22. Not a super talented team but well coached and play with heart.
Mooney never surprises. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.
I did see Buck play a few times this year and he is really a 3/4 type of power player, but a bit undersized, so yes I think he will need to stay lower conference, still think the over acheiving Mike Jones would be a good fit for him.
Generally, would you describe Richmond MBB's last 16 years as an 'over-achieving' program?
I would, my expectations for achievement are: stay out of jail, don't be a jerk, don't fail out of school. So I think we at least acheived, for the most part.
Right, I mean ok we were picked eighth and finished fifth -- way to "overachieve"! We overachieved the year we were picked 12th and finished 4th. I'm even willing to say that moving up from 6th to a tie for 2nd last year was overachieving. But the rest of those are just depressing. I mean we were picked sixth or worse 10 of 16 times! The only times we were picked first, second or third were the KA years and this year. If not for KA, I guarantee one of those two years would have been a letdown too.
Keep in mind that ties give the most optimistic view of things. Like in 2008–09 when we tied for 5th, there were three other teams tied with us, so we were really in the 5th–8th range.
I think it’s a different argument to say that we have had low expectations for many of the Mooney years. However what I think Sman was getting at was a majority of the years (and overall) Mooney’s teams have exceeded pre-season rankings. Not just 1 out of 16 years.
I think the saddest thing those stats show is that we’ve only had top 4 preseason rankings/expectations 3 times in the Mooney era. We met (but didn’t exceed) them twice with KA, and failed pretty badly this year.
Low expectations and “competing” are the takeaways and legacy of the Mooney era (sans KA years).
of course this is not the best we can be.
you haven't seen me argue against firing Mooney. you've seen me doubt we do it. and I understand why. I disagree with those who think we will or can write that check. our donors aren't going to step up like Indiana's did. but maybe I'm wrong.
I was for the extension, which I admit was a mistake. for my own sanity I'd like to see him gone. I used to enjoy this board. now I've got to spend 30 minutes each day reading the same repetitive stuff about Mooney instead of reading about the team and about recruits. every thread turns into "Mooney sucks", including this thread that was supposed to be about Buck entering the portal. and I know nothing will change all offseason if he's still here. so I show up for the slim chance I'll see something I'm interested in.
no, I don't blame Mooney as much as some do here for every bad thing that happens. I don't criticize every play or non-timeout. I don't think he sucks. but for the most part it hasn't worked. I like the pieces more than the whole.
I thought we were great last year and I thought that was a fun, successful season. it might have been a special year. we'll never know. Covid sucks.
I loved the roster again this year. a lot of bad things happened starting with Sherod and Crabtree. sometimes bad things happen and you try to overcome it but can't achieve the level you hoped for.
but I'll take my chances as the projected #1 team every year. more often than not, you do well from the #1 spot. and you're doing something right to be in that #1 spot. unfortunately we won't be anywhere near that top spot next year.
no! I just disagreed with EL's take based on the stats provided.
the problem isn't whether we over or underachieve, it's that expectations each year aren't high enough. until the last 2 years we didn't have a good enough roster.
So far in Mooney's 16 years, we've been projected#1 exactly once, and it didn't really work out. I'm not interested in waiting another 16 years to find out if it's different then.
I’m in agreement with sman here. Nobody said Mooney is great or is defending him. EL said we have never overachieved, and, when the receipts were brought up, that proved to be wrong. That’s fine. Yesterday and today I was wrong on multiple occasions on facts on this board and rightly called out for it. But in this case, the goalposts were promptly moved to “well would you call us overachievers over a 16 year period”.
Sometimes we get so caught up here in just Anti-Mooney narrative that people are willing to ignore any actual facts or stats and just make blind (false) accusations and stats against him. It isn’t defending Mooney to say that something isn’t factually true. That’s just defending the truth.
Sometimes we get so caught up here in just Anti-Mooney narrative that people are willing to ignore any actual facts or stats and just make blind (false) accusations and stats against him. It isn’t defending Mooney to say that something isn’t factually true. That’s just defending the truth.
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Maybe I should have been more clear in my definition of overachieved. I don't really think being picked eighth and finishing tied for fifth constitutes "overachieving." If others do, fine. Like I said, I'll count two years as overachieving.
A key part of the word "overachieving" is "achieving." In 2012-13 we were picked 10th and finished 8th. Who cares. We "achieved" nothing. I'm not counting that as overachievement.
A key part of the word "overachieving" is "achieving." In 2012-13 we were picked 10th and finished 8th. Who cares. We "achieved" nothing. I'm not counting that as overachievement.
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