Can UR beat VCU?
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I don't think we can beat them without ANO. But here is my plan.
We lose to VCU on Wednesday. Then we win out. ANO comes back for the A-10 Tourney and we beat them in the finals and go dancing!
We lose to VCU on Wednesday. Then we win out. ANO comes back for the A-10 Tourney and we beat them in the finals and go dancing!
Disagree 32. Of all games, this is the one I think we miss ANO the least. In the post they have Cox, who is undersized, and a bunch of freshmen who are thin. When playing RPI, you have to have quick guards who can break the press and not turn the ball over. We have the guards and are bigger and stronger inside. Key will be to knock down open shots, rebound, and continue playing great D. Its a great matchup for us.
I agree B. Except I thought the last two games with St. Bonnies 7 footer and GW's Larsen, we would really miss ANO, but it turned out not to be the case. So, hopefully, the opposite does not play out for VCU.
if we match up so well why do we lose most of these games, three last season? certainly hope for a win but past experience says no even if at home. if we shoot well, yes, if we have one of those 10% from 3 nights, not a chance.
Not trying to troll, but I wouldn't describe Alie-Cox as "undersized". Short, perhaps, but "undersized"...no way. I think that may be the only time anyone ever calls him undersized in his whole life.
In all seriousness, I'm curious to see what effect being without ANO has on this game (mainly because the Spiders' best games against VCU have come when he's had good ones), but also just as curious to see us play your speedy guards a full game without Weber.
Gonna be a great game, no doubt.
In all seriousness, I'm curious to see what effect being without ANO has on this game (mainly because the Spiders' best games against VCU have come when he's had good ones), but also just as curious to see us play your speedy guards a full game without Weber.
Gonna be a great game, no doubt.
VCU will have to make 7 or 8 threes to beat us, and they really haven't shot the ball well from deep overall the past few weeks. I'm not worried about them exploiting Alonzo's absence because they don't have enough guys to do that. JJ has been picking up the slack nicely and gives us a little different look. We shoot better at home, too.
I like our odds.
I like our odds.
The key to the game for me will be how we defend their guards. If we can frustrate Lewis and Johnson, as we did in the first game, than we can allow Graham to get his and be OK, because VCU's big men don't scare me. I agree with Eight, we keep VCU from hitting a bunch of 3's, they are going to have a tough time beating us.
Depends on the refs too. If those guys let Hack-Voc foul the crap out of our guys without calling it, then it can be a long night. If they call it straight up and fair, then we have an excellent chance. Last night's officials were not very good for either team. The over the back non calls were unbelievable.
Last 3 games with Graham back:
VCU 3 point shooting
Against Umass: 8-22 (36.4%)
Against SLU: 8-23 (34%)
Against GW: 12-30 (40%)
VCU 3 point shooting
Against Umass: 8-22 (36.4%)
Against SLU: 8-23 (34%)
Against GW: 12-30 (40%)
Gopher - Your stats are meaningless and have zero predictive value. Last time we played Graham played 32 minutes and VCU shot 3-20 (15%) from three for the game. Was that better Spider defense or just a bad shooting afternoon? Maybe the offense runs better with Lewis at point. Regardless, if you are trying to make a point it's not clear what that might be.
He was suggesting that my analysis about their three-point shooting was flawed. Fair enough. They have been better the past three games, but overall the past few weeks (as I said), they have not been very good. If they need to shoot 30 threes against us to make 8, we will win. If they only have to shoot 15 or 16 to make 8, we will lose.
Ok, refs game 1 to UR-check. UR plays well-check. Good upset-check. Now, onward...
Now as for shaking up the VCU Guards, since Weber went out here's Lewis's line...Try to shake up VCU G's. Won't work now that the team has figured out the new lineup.
82 pts-13.7 ppg
20 assists 3.3 per game
8 turnovers 1.3.oer game
13 steals 2.2 per game
Who wouldn't take that average line from their PG?
Can't just shut down the G's anymore. Anyone thinks they can let the A10 POY get his and shut everyone else down is deluding themselves. Don't forget about Melvin and the team 35% from 3 lately. 8 made and the game is over. I'd be quite surprised to see less than 5 made.
Not sure 7 deep is going to cut it this time for UR.
Let the refs do what they want. Prefer the game is done by B12 or B10 refs. Let em play.Call real fouls. Whatever...both teams have to deal with whatever refs they get.
Now as for shaking up the VCU Guards, since Weber went out here's Lewis's line...Try to shake up VCU G's. Won't work now that the team has figured out the new lineup.
82 pts-13.7 ppg
20 assists 3.3 per game
8 turnovers 1.3.oer game
13 steals 2.2 per game
Who wouldn't take that average line from their PG?
Can't just shut down the G's anymore. Anyone thinks they can let the A10 POY get his and shut everyone else down is deluding themselves. Don't forget about Melvin and the team 35% from 3 lately. 8 made and the game is over. I'd be quite surprised to see less than 5 made.
Not sure 7 deep is going to cut it this time for UR.
Let the refs do what they want. Prefer the game is done by B12 or B10 refs. Let em play.Call real fouls. Whatever...both teams have to deal with whatever refs they get.
Finishing around the rim will be key. Gotta stop missing the easy ones, and need to neutralize Allie-Cox
The part of the week that I dislike the most. The trolls pounding their chests. Okay MudScat, excellent points and stats. But you're just a fan like me. The kids are going to play the game. I like my kid's chances and if your ahole wasn't just a little bit tight, you wouldn't be over here convincing yourself that you will win
And here I am wondering how apoplectic the coach of RPI will become if a sponge ball lands within 200 feet of him, while he is prancing around out of where he should be on the court...................... while the game is in progress.........................
No trolling here ladies and gents. This is going to be a tough game.
No road game is a lock as all of us know now. I was just saying that UR will not be facing the same VCU team this time around. UR will be facing a better one. Our HC D has come from nothing to very very good as has our HC O. VCU is playing smart press and getting back now. Can't wait to watch this one.
This is the biggest rivalry IMO in VCU history and I've seen almost every one of the games since 1983. Some on our board think OdfugginU is our biggest rivalry. NOT!!! We can hate them as we always will, but the home-town rivalry is king. You don't like us and we don't like you. That's what makes these games great!
JQ has taken the reins and although he's not a steal-machine, we're seeing the scoring and the floor leadership that you want from a PG. He's fully capable of dropping 20. He's also taking his share of steals. If UR goes only 7 deep I can't see VCU losing this one. All VCU needs to do is shoot season average from everywhere and play our D. Your guys did a he!! of a job not turning the ball over last game. Can they do it again? If so, this will be a very good game. If not....
It could go either way of course. That's why they play the games, but I don't see a repeat of the train-wreck at the Stu. Let's all enjoy the game and stop calling each other names.
No road game is a lock as all of us know now. I was just saying that UR will not be facing the same VCU team this time around. UR will be facing a better one. Our HC D has come from nothing to very very good as has our HC O. VCU is playing smart press and getting back now. Can't wait to watch this one.
This is the biggest rivalry IMO in VCU history and I've seen almost every one of the games since 1983. Some on our board think OdfugginU is our biggest rivalry. NOT!!! We can hate them as we always will, but the home-town rivalry is king. You don't like us and we don't like you. That's what makes these games great!
JQ has taken the reins and although he's not a steal-machine, we're seeing the scoring and the floor leadership that you want from a PG. He's fully capable of dropping 20. He's also taking his share of steals. If UR goes only 7 deep I can't see VCU losing this one. All VCU needs to do is shoot season average from everywhere and play our D. Your guys did a he!! of a job not turning the ball over last game. Can they do it again? If so, this will be a very good game. If not....
It could go either way of course. That's why they play the games, but I don't see a repeat of the train-wreck at the Stu. Let's all enjoy the game and stop calling each other names.
If you are saying VCU is a better team without Weber, I am not buying it. If you are saying roles are more defined sure, same is true for UR w/o ANO. But better? Nope.
Turnovers and 3s are the keys, as always, for both teams.
Turnovers and 3s are the keys, as always, for both teams.
Because VCU's pressure is so relentless, the key to defeating VCU is guard play, IMHO. Earlier this year, our guards played very well at VCU. We have the same guards this time, plus Josh Jones is a greater contributor now. Also, Coach Mooney seems to coach his best games against Coach Smart. We will see how this plays out. It will be a great game. I have only respect for VCU.
MUDKAT, clean up your own backyard before giving us lessons in rivalry etiquette. Your fans go after and try to tear down individual players with name calling. That's wrong in my book. They've done it to Kendall for years simply because he's that good. IMO, going after teams and fans in good spirit is fine. It's what good rivalries are made of. Anything otherwise is not good for the game or our rivalry.
This post was edited on 2/22 5:48 PM by MidloTrader
This post was edited on 2/22 5:48 PM by MidloTrader
If both teams shoot their season averages Richmond will win. Richmond makes substantially more of their 2s and we shoot pretty much the same from 3 this season. Richmond also has the 12th lowest turnover rate in the country which is why we match up well with VCU. We are also top 50 in forcing turnovers, and without needing 'havoc' aka foul-fest. VCU is just not that good in the half court, and without a bunch of turnovers we will probably get the win again.Originally posted by MUDKAT Lives:
No trolling here ladies and gents. This is going to be a tough game.
No road game is a lock as all of us know now. I was just saying that UR will not be facing the same VCU team this time around. UR will be facing a better one. Our HC D has come from nothing to very very good as has our HC O. VCU is playing smart press and getting back now. Can't wait to watch this one.
This is the biggest rivalry IMO in VCU history and I've seen almost every one of the games since 1983. Some on our board think OdfugginU is our biggest rivalry. NOT!!! We can hate them as we always will, but the home-town rivalry is king. You don't like us and we don't like you. That's what makes these games great!
JQ has taken the reins and although he's not a steal-machine, we're seeing the scoring and the floor leadership that you want from a PG. He's fully capable of dropping 20. He's also taking his share of steals. If UR goes only 7 deep I can't see VCU losing this one. All VCU needs to do is shoot season average from everywhere and play our D. Your guys did a he!! of a job not turning the ball over last game. Can they do it again? If so, this will be a very good game. If not....
It could go either way of course. That's why they play the games, but I don't see a repeat of the train-wreck at the Stu. Let's all enjoy the game and stop calling each other names.
2FG%
VCU: 48.5%
UR: 52.8%
3FG%
VCU: 34.7%
UR: 34.4%
This post was edited on 2/22 5:49 PM by fan2011
Mudkat is a douche but it is good to see one of the sheep finally admit we are their biggest rival.
#SweepTheSheep
#SweepTheSheep
Kendall is a supremely good player. We all can agree on that. I have no idea how he does it, but most all efforts to stop him don't work. We sure haven't figured him out. Very few teams have.
As for VCU not being a more polished team without Bri, I can't agree. I hate that Bri's not there. He is the best at what he does in the history of CBB. I say is, because once he's healed, he's going to make a lot of money professionally.
If you have been watching lately, what you've seen is a bunch of our young guys step into the lineup and round it out. Would I love to have Bri? YES. Would we be better? YES. But, I am seeing a more focused and balanced team on the floor with The Train leading by example. The talented kids are being thrown in the fire and hammered into steel.
They are improving and molding into a unit very quickly after some adjustment time.This will be a huge deal when the NCAA comes next month. I remember how we all wrote Dayton off after they lost their front line. No one's laughing now. They're going to the show.
Let's all stop with the venom. Tell me about how UR is going to work VCU on the court specifically. Talk basketball. That's what these forums are all about.
Or just talk the usual schnit and call me some more names...
As for VCU not being a more polished team without Bri, I can't agree. I hate that Bri's not there. He is the best at what he does in the history of CBB. I say is, because once he's healed, he's going to make a lot of money professionally.
If you have been watching lately, what you've seen is a bunch of our young guys step into the lineup and round it out. Would I love to have Bri? YES. Would we be better? YES. But, I am seeing a more focused and balanced team on the floor with The Train leading by example. The talented kids are being thrown in the fire and hammered into steel.
They are improving and molding into a unit very quickly after some adjustment time.This will be a huge deal when the NCAA comes next month. I remember how we all wrote Dayton off after they lost their front line. No one's laughing now. They're going to the show.
Let's all stop with the venom. Tell me about how UR is going to work VCU on the court specifically. Talk basketball. That's what these forums are all about.
Or just talk the usual schnit and call me some more names...
The question would be, why is VCU BETTER without Weber than with him? If he was the heart of the program for four years, I don't think losing him improves the team. We all were saying similar things when Lindsay got hurt last year, like, "Oh, the younger guys will get some good experience, they'll step up, etc." And they did for 3-4 games, we went on a winning streak and it looked great. Then we got hammered a couple times and the bottom fell out.
Why can we beat VCU? Because we beat them rather handily on the road without playing anything close to our best game. We left about 12 EASY points on the floor, thanks to missed layups and dunks (mostly in the first half). We didn't shoot exceptionally well. But we rebounded the best we have all year and allowed 0 second-chance points by VCU. I'm not expecting that to happen again, and I imagine VCU will make more threes than last time, but we've shown basically every year that the press doesn't really affect us. I don't care about Graham getting his points or Cox getting his -- it's the other guys we need to shut down.
Johnson is the X factor. He has had a bad year but is always capable of getting hot. If we prevent that, we'll be in good shape. We're also going to get a lift from being at home, just like we do against VCU every year.
Why can we beat VCU? Because we beat them rather handily on the road without playing anything close to our best game. We left about 12 EASY points on the floor, thanks to missed layups and dunks (mostly in the first half). We didn't shoot exceptionally well. But we rebounded the best we have all year and allowed 0 second-chance points by VCU. I'm not expecting that to happen again, and I imagine VCU will make more threes than last time, but we've shown basically every year that the press doesn't really affect us. I don't care about Graham getting his points or Cox getting his -- it's the other guys we need to shut down.
Johnson is the X factor. He has had a bad year but is always capable of getting hot. If we prevent that, we'll be in good shape. We're also going to get a lift from being at home, just like we do against VCU every year.
The Mudkat want to 'stop the venom'? GTFOH.
Kittie, roll over on your back and maybe one or two of our more collegial posters with a short (non existent) memory will scratch your belly. Have at it.
Kittie, roll over on your back and maybe one or two of our more collegial posters with a short (non existent) memory will scratch your belly. Have at it.
Well, VCU has two guys that are the heart of the program. One of them is going to be the A10 POY and likely in the NBA. Losing Bri can't be called a good thing. But, he's still the team leader even hurt and on the bench. I would never presume to say that the team is better without him.
What I did say is it has given the young guys the opportunity to adjust to D1 competition. The difference is that the talent level of VCU's young guys is light-years ahead of the talent that had to replace Lindsey.
Johnson is always the X factor...will he get just 10 or 20???? He averages over 10 even when not hot. Your guys played arguably your best game of the year and won. VCU's guys, not so good. I gave big props to this board and ate my crow after that game. Your guys accomplished something that doesn't happen very often.
Graham get's 20 and 12 and it doesn't really matter. Cox is just a monster getting better every game. JQ is something your guys haven't ever seen for a full game. 12-4-2 and 3 will do. He's a scorer and a true PG and one of the quickest on-ball defenders around. The numbers don't lie.
On another note. Clearly it would appear that no one here has paid any attention to VCU's past few games, They are not putting the full on HAVOC on every possession. They are trapping when the other team gives it and adjusting to good guards with handles to avoid getting blown away on the full press.
The really good HAVOC is happening in the HC. I'm sure Shaka understands that your guards can get through the press, but when it's applied selectively, it is very effective. I'll take VCU's HC D vs UR's HC O any day and vice versa. Let the game begin.
Let the name calling continue as it appears that it is typical of Ur's highly-edjumacated fan base.
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What I did say is it has given the young guys the opportunity to adjust to D1 competition. The difference is that the talent level of VCU's young guys is light-years ahead of the talent that had to replace Lindsey.
Johnson is always the X factor...will he get just 10 or 20???? He averages over 10 even when not hot. Your guys played arguably your best game of the year and won. VCU's guys, not so good. I gave big props to this board and ate my crow after that game. Your guys accomplished something that doesn't happen very often.
Graham get's 20 and 12 and it doesn't really matter. Cox is just a monster getting better every game. JQ is something your guys haven't ever seen for a full game. 12-4-2 and 3 will do. He's a scorer and a true PG and one of the quickest on-ball defenders around. The numbers don't lie.
On another note. Clearly it would appear that no one here has paid any attention to VCU's past few games, They are not putting the full on HAVOC on every possession. They are trapping when the other team gives it and adjusting to good guards with handles to avoid getting blown away on the full press.
The really good HAVOC is happening in the HC. I'm sure Shaka understands that your guards can get through the press, but when it's applied selectively, it is very effective. I'll take VCU's HC D vs UR's HC O any day and vice versa. Let the game begin.
Let the name calling continue as it appears that it is typical of Ur's highly-edjumacated fan base.
Mudkat I don't mind you, your last few posts were not venemous, just typical fan fare where each fan thinks their team is better.
I think we have a good chance to sweep you guys this year. We know we can beat the havoc press, we are playing at home, we already beat you at your place so confidence is not lacking. I think we match up well with you guys and if we can play good perimeter D and limit your threes we will be in good shape. Conversely we need to shoot just well enough from three to open the inside for Terry. Looking forward to the game, I think it's going to be a classic Capitol battle.
I think we have a good chance to sweep you guys this year. We know we can beat the havoc press, we are playing at home, we already beat you at your place so confidence is not lacking. I think we match up well with you guys and if we can play good perimeter D and limit your threes we will be in good shape. Conversely we need to shoot just well enough from three to open the inside for Terry. Looking forward to the game, I think it's going to be a classic Capitol battle.
14000 plus posts and a GTFOH is all a Gold member has to say. Bummer. I'm posting pure BB and being polite. No name-calling. No nastiness. It's going to be a great game and on national TV. OOPS sorry, I quoted the wrong guy. My bad.
This post was intended for Molina.
This post was edited on 2/22 7:41 PM by MUDKAT Lives
This post was intended for Molina.
This post was edited on 2/22 7:41 PM by MUDKAT Lives
Mudkat, the reason I feel good about Wednesday is because Jan. 31st was not even one of our five best-played games of this season. We played a decent game and beat you guys on the road. It would have been different had we played exceptionally and barely won. But we played decently and won without much problem.
We were only 6-19 from 3 (31%). We only shot 40% for the entire game. We had 0 blocks and 12 turnovers.
On the season, we average 34% from three, 45% overall, 3 blocks a game and 9 turnovers a game. So we were below those averages in all four categories and still won. We did rebound better than normal (11 over our average).
But our best game of the year was against Davidson at home. We completely torched them for 40 minutes. If we play that same game on Wednesday, we will torch you guys by 20+ as well.
We were only 6-19 from 3 (31%). We only shot 40% for the entire game. We had 0 blocks and 12 turnovers.
On the season, we average 34% from three, 45% overall, 3 blocks a game and 9 turnovers a game. So we were below those averages in all four categories and still won. We did rebound better than normal (11 over our average).
But our best game of the year was against Davidson at home. We completely torched them for 40 minutes. If we play that same game on Wednesday, we will torch you guys by 20+ as well.
I have respect for Coach Smart and his players. I have zero respect for the bandwagon fans of VCU who didn't know they had a basketball team 5 years ago. I also have no respect for the unwashed fans who have developed a superiority complex over their latest success (I'm talking about you, horn boy).
At 26 years old, I've only been following VCU since high school, but I agree with a lot of recent success (yearly trips to the NCAA tournament has it's perks), we have a lot more support from the community and casual fans are now watching more of our games. Curious to why you don't "respect" that. How exactly is that a bad thing for a program, to have more support?
at 52 years old along with many others, this is no bandwagon. We've been through purgatory and back. To our kids who have become VCU fans over the last 10 or even 5 years, I raise my glass and toast. Recruits keep coming year after year. It's now a mix of the young and old faithful. With zero respect, one cannot enjoy anything. Lack of respect is a negative trait. Everyone is to be respected for their accomplishments.
Your team will be back and an A10 winner in the future. That's how this game works.. And the B&B classics will go on through the future years.
Oh, and btw, we actually take showers like the other 250 million people who go to work every day.
And it's not a superiority complex to have a program that is just elevating further every year. Look at what's coming your way next year. Keep up is all I can say..Give respect always. It's the right thing to do. It's what our parents taught us.
Your team will be back and an A10 winner in the future. That's how this game works.. And the B&B classics will go on through the future years.
Oh, and btw, we actually take showers like the other 250 million people who go to work every day.
And it's not a superiority complex to have a program that is just elevating further every year. Look at what's coming your way next year. Keep up is all I can say..Give respect always. It's the right thing to do. It's what our parents taught us.
This will be a tough game for both teams -- rams, angry but a little less certain and without your best player, yes, I have seen you play and impressed with the youngesters, if Smart takes off the reins it could get real interesting. Spids are at home where they have played much better this season, and are playing to rid themselves of past demons.
You haven't been paying much attention to the Spids, Mooney has made some tweaks to our style of play that has made us a more difficult out -- more effort on the boards, not abandoning his style, but making tweaks
You haven't been paying much attention to the Spids, Mooney has made some tweaks to our style of play that has made us a more difficult out -- more effort on the boards, not abandoning his style, but making tweaks
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