Brandon Jennings - 2024 Offer

[spiderman]

again, I don't understand why we almost exclusively give up on offensive rebounding to stop transition. I don't think it's necessary. you can situationally offensive rebound with certain players from certian spots on the floor and still stop transition.

but no, I didn't cherry pick stats "to say anything I want them to". I gave you 6 of the top 10 offensive rebounding teams in the country this year who aren't winning. I didn't go further but I can look at the next 10 if you think that's a better sample size.

I'm just saying that offensive rebounding by itself isn't a special predicator to winning, and I don't see anything that says it's "statistically proven" to be. I'd bet there are a ton of stats that are better predicators. heck, probably defensive rebounding. maybe turnover rate ... assist to turnover ratio ... blocked shots per game ... 3 point shooting percentage ... 3 point shooting defense ...

being great at anything helps you win. being great at multiple things is probably the best predicator.

 

[whampas]

Too many variables to suggest what separates winners from losers other than the score and you can't score without the basketball. To me it's the most fundamental of all strategies. Do whatever you can to posses the ball.

 

[fan2011]

Too many variables to suggest what separates winners from losers other than the score and you can't score without the basketball. To me it's the most fundamental of all strategies. Do whatever you can to posses the ball.

I mean, theoretically the opponent can score for you on their own basket.

 

[whampas]

I mean, theoretically the opponent can score for you on their own basket.

Must be what Mooney hopes for as we sprint backwards.

 

[MrTbone]

again, I don't understand why we almost exclusively give up on offensive rebounding to stop transition. I don't think it's necessary. you can situationally offensive rebound with certain players from certian spots on the floor and still stop transition.

but no, I didn't cherry pick stats "to say anything I want them to". I gave you 6 of the top 10 offensive rebounding teams in the country this year who aren't winning. I didn't go further but I can look at the next 10 if you think that's a better sample size.

I'm just saying that offensive rebounding by itself isn't a special predicator to winning, and I don't see anything that says it's "statistically proven" to be. I'd bet there are a ton of stats that are better predicators. heck, probably defensive rebounding. maybe turnover rate ... assist to turnover ratio ... blocked shots per game ... 3 point shooting percentage ... 3 point shooting defense ...

being great at anything helps you win. being great at multiple things is probably the best predicator.

Well I think the original point was that OReb is "a key factor to success". To your point, it's not the only one, but you've distilled it down to that one lens.

Not sure if you actually looked at the link he provided, but these are the four factors:
1. Effective field goal percentage
2. Turnover rate
3. Offensive rebound rate
4. Free throw rate

None of these are independent and all of them are predicated on being better at these than your opponent, so it's not even a measure across the entire D1 landscape.

I suspect if you went back and recalibrated for those four and not just one, the teams that are effective at most if not all four items would surface towards the top of a consistent winners list. Speculation on my part but pretty reasonable.

I think the nuance is likely you can't be terrible at any one of those things and hope to be consistently good. Maybe you can get away with one and be ok, or bad at two and still catch lightning in a bottle.

Here's how we stacked up on these in our NCAA tournament seasons:

	eFG	TO Rate (presumably TO/game)	OReb%	FT Rate
2009-2010	113th	23rd	329th	297th
2010-2011	32nd	7th	279th	297th
2021-2022	54th	13th	330th	151st

So I don't know quite what to make of that, other than in the context of the four factors, we may have been pretty lucky to make the tournament in 2010, and slightly more likely in 2011 and 2022. The FT Rate in 2010 and 2011 isn't a mistake, we were the exact same both years.

It would be interesting to do this exercise for VCU to see how the data supports or doesn't support the thesis.

 

[plydogg]

again, I don't understand why we almost exclusively give up on offensive rebounding to stop transition. I don't think it's necessary. you can situationally offensive rebound with certain players from certian spots on the floor and still stop transition.

I’m with you here and have always thought this. We aren’t ever going to be Houston, but they just wear you down on the offensive glass and turn ever missed shot into a 50/50 ball. It’s exhausting knowing you won’t have one free rebound during the game. Not only are you worn down but it demoralizes you.

It’s like running Derrick Henry at the defense. The run game may start slow but over 4 quarters of the guy running you over eventually you’re going to give.

I’ll just add this season sucks. Just end it here and put the old dog down. Richmond men’s basketball is not fun to watch. Thank god we have the women making Richmond look good.

 

[spiderman]

Well I think the original point was that OReb is "a key factor to success". To your point, it's not the only one, but you've distilled it down to that one lens.

if kneepad said he felt offensive rebounding was "a key factor to success", I'd have kept my mouth shut. wish I did anyway!

I responded to the assertion that offensive rebounding "is statistically proven to be a key indicator of success". to me there's a difference. and I think if it was statistically proven to be a key indicator of success, then everyone including Mooney would focus on it.

 

[MrTbone]

if kneepad said he felt offensive rebounding was "a key factor to success", I'd have kept my mouth shut. wish I did anyway!

I responded to the assertion that offensive rebounding "is statistically proven to be a key indicator of success". to me there's a difference. and I think if it was statistically proven to be a key indicator of success, then everyone including Mooney would focus on it.

I’m not trying to pick an argument, and I don’t personally know that OReb is a key to success. Was mostly just saying I think your proof is flawed, you’ve sort of demonstrated only that you can be good at OReb and still not successful. The converse and perhaps better view would be who has shown consistent success and how do they perform at OReb.

Separately, I was just showing some data around the four factors and that we didnt meet all four in our best seasons. So you can look at that a couple ways; either the thesis is flawed or more likely, we prove the thesis broadly but demonstrate it takes exceptional performance in at least two factors to supersede it.

 

[Section9.RowD]

Not sure who else is watching the VCU game but big guard Brandon Jennings had a crazy blocked shot a few minutes ago - almost hit his head on the backboard .. and also have 9 points - deep sighs.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Not sure who else is watching the VCU game but big guard Brandon Jennings had a crazy blocked shot a few minutes ago - almost hit his head on the backboard .. and also have 9 points - deep sighs.

I think he has a chance to be a very good player in the A10, possible 1st teamer. That is - if he stays in the A10. He will have a nice market and $$$ on the portal.

 

[Spiders4ever]

He's a stud. Mom has 2 degrees from VCU. He might stay, he might follow Odom.

 

[Section9.RowD]

He's a stud. Mom has 2 degrees from VCU. He might stay, me might follow Odom.

yeah going to be interesting to see how this plays out ... he is crazy athletic and play very smart for a freshman

 

[spider23]

Section9's guy Bowen Born lighting it up for Colorado State so far in MW championship.

 

[Section9.RowD]

Section9's guy Bowen Born lighting it up for Colorado State so far in MW championship.

Bowen Buckets ...

 

[8legs1dream]

throw the entire NIL budget next year into getting Bowen Buckets and Bobby Buckets on the team

 

[Anachnid]

And how would that solve the UR coaching deficit?

 

[Section9.RowD]

Slightly surprised by this given his mom's ties to Vcu and since the STAB top pg just recommitted to UVA

 

[97spiderfan]

Watched Jennings a couple times, he is not going to play big minutes at a BCS program in my opinion. But good look to him trying.

 

[Section9.RowD]

Yeah we will see - seems crazy athletic to me and while needs to grow his game a bit could see him being a pretty strong at least mid major player

 

[MrTbone]

maybe we could use him.

 

[97spiderfan]

Yeah we will see - seems crazy athletic to me and while needs to grow his game a bit could see him being a pretty strong at least mid major player

I only saw a few games, but actually didn't think his athleticism was all that special. To me, he has Colin Tanner flexibility. Very stiff player. All that said, he would be a vast improvement in our guard room right now.

 

[SpiderTrap]

From Jennings perspective - its a good gamble in my opinion. Your coach just left, so why not enter the portal and see what you can get. I think the transfer portal, to some extent - will turn into the NBA draft - where "potential" will have value as well. Older upperclassmen will still have value - but from Jenning's perspective, a P5 school will likely pay him pretty well just to take a chance on him and see if he turns out. And with the rules the way they are - he could go to a P5 school, get paid, and if it doesn't work out - he still has two years to transfer somewhere else.

 

[Section9.RowD]

Seems like Brandon Jennings's decision is likely later today .. follow his Mom on twitter and she has had good perspective and can tell supports her son all the way ..

 

[spider23]

 

[Spiders4ever]

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Unconfirmed rumor that Luke Bamgboye is returning also.

 

[Section9.RowD]

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Yeah pretty sure he was headed back based on her earlier tweet ...

 

[Eight Legger]

Hopefully they are paying him $1 million a year. Wouldn’t want to lose those 2.7 points per game.

 

[Spiders4ever]

Hopefully they are paying him $1 million a year. Wouldn’t want to lose those 2.7 points per game.

Closer to $2 million. All the rest is going to Fermin

 

[GKiller]

So basically vcu had what 2 guys on the roster 2 weeks ago & now is already better than us again.

 

[Section9.RowD]

Hopefully they are paying him $1 million a year. Wouldn’t want to lose those 2.7 points per game.

Time will tell but I could see him being A10 2nd or 3rd team next year at season end. Only reason he scored < 3 points per game last year was because he was 18 and playing with 23 years olds. He would have been our best guard by far last year excluding Delo.

 

[Anachnid]

So basically vcu had what 2 guys on the roster 2 weeks ago & now is already better than us again.

And with a new coach. So nothing new for what’s the latest term, lower than compete, I can’t recall, is it exist?

 

[GKiller]

Time will tell but I could see him being A10 2nd or 3rd team next year at season end. Only reason he scored < 3 points per game last year was because he was 18 and playing with 23 years olds. He would have been our best guard by far last year excluding Delo.

I didn’t watch him closely re: trajectory. But for sure that’s why his stats & agree nothing to read into. I see like Mike Skrocki. Role player off bench as freshman on a really good team. 3 ppg. Then 3 year big time starter rest of career. He was good enough to do more as fresh but behind guys.

Vcu is a reload program. UR is still a catch lightning in a bottle program. With a 20 year coach. If u need to replace your entire roster u definitely run it back with that coach.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Just saw on VCU website it looks like they have rounded out their coaching staff after the Martelli JR hire. Looks like it might be a Martelli family reunion. Jimmy Martelli is associate head coach - he coached at VCU under Rhoades and then followed him to Penn State. Joining on the staff from Bryant are Chris Cole and Ryan Daly. Daly should sound familiar - he was a very good player for St. Joes about 7 years ago. Looks like they also have former VCU Players Brandon Rozzell and Brad Burgess on staff as well. Overall - looks like a lot of A10 experience on the staff, with some VCU connections built in.

Whats interesting - you go to our website for coaches, and we have 7 people listed, which includes Video Coordinator. You go to VCU - they have 9 positions, with the main differences being - they have a Chief of Staff position (likely a GM type role) and they have a dedicated Director of Operations. UR has that role combined as assistant coach.

Not a huge deal - but I think it just further points to investment VCU is making in their program and UR will likely do the same in a few years after majority of the league does so as well.

 

[97spiderfan]

Just saw on VCU website it looks like they have rounded out their coaching staff after the Martelli JR hire. Looks like it might be a Martelli family reunion. Jimmy Martelli is associate head coach - he coached at VCU under Rhoades and then followed him to Penn State. Joining on the staff from Bryant are Chris Cole and Ryan Daly. Daly should sound familiar - he was a very good player for St. Joes about 7 years ago. Looks like they also have former VCU Players Brandon Rozzell and Brad Burgess on staff as well. Overall - looks like a lot of A10 experience on the staff, with some VCU connections built in.

Whats interesting - you go to our website for coaches, and we have 7 people listed, which includes Video Coordinator. You go to VCU - they have 9 positions, with the main differences being - they have a Chief of Staff position (likely a GM type role) and they have a dedicated Director of Operations. UR has that role combined as assistant coach.

Not a huge deal - but I think it just further points to investment VCU is making in their program and UR will likely do the same in a few years after majority of the league does so as well.

We are probably paying Mooney a lot more than VCU is paying Martelli so they can spread that salary around. Also, of course, VCU always has NCAA revenue, much enhanced ticket revenue than us because they are always winning too.

 

[SpiderTrap]

I would doubt we are paying Mooney a lot more or anymore than Martelli Jr. Rhoades was reported to be making 1.5-1.6 million in his time at VCU. Odom was earning 1.7 million.

Now - Mooney is a mystery cause UR doesn't report - but it is safe to assume he is now lower than 1.2 million, and maybe closer to 1.5 million - but somewhere between those two.

I tend to agree Martelli Jr is getting less than Odom and Rhoades, but I can't imagine its that much less. Maybe he is starting at 1.2 million?

But again - is the age old excuse, UR doesn't have the money to spend. The wealthy private school with 3 billion endowment (probably 2 billion after the last week in the markets), and the school that charges 60K+ for tuition, doesn't have money? Poor, and literally poor old richmond?

 

[spiderman]

 

[urmite]

Just saw on VCU website it looks like they have rounded out their coaching staff after the Martelli JR hire. Looks like it might be a Martelli family reunion. Jimmy Martelli is associate head coach - he coached at VCU under Rhoades and then followed him to Penn State. Joining on the staff from Bryant are Chris Cole and Ryan Daly. Daly should sound familiar - he was a very good player for St. Joes about 7 years ago. Looks like they also have former VCU Players Brandon Rozzell and Brad Burgess on staff as well. Overall - looks like a lot of A10 experience on the staff, with some VCU connections built in.

Whats interesting - you go to our website for coaches, and we have 7 people listed, which includes Video Coordinator. You go to VCU - they have 9 positions, with the main differences being - they have a Chief of Staff position (likely a GM type role) and they have a dedicated Director of Operations. UR has that role combined as assistant coach.

Not a huge deal - but I think it just further points to investment VCU is making in their program and UR will likely do the same in a few years after majority of the league does so as well.

St Joe? I thought we would remember Barney Rubble from opening game with Delaware…

 

[SpiderTrap]

In that opening night game in the 17-18 season - Daly torched UR for 22 points as the mighty Blue Hens took a 19 point halftime lead and never looked back. Spiders were led by Demonte Buckingham with 18.

 

[whampas]

In that opening night game in the 17-18 season - Daly torched UR for 22 points as the mighty Blue Hens took a 19 point halftime lead and never looked back. Spiders were led by Demonte Buckingham with 18.

The last game that I saw in person. I swore that I would not darken the RC again until Mooney was gone. I've been true to my conviction. I don't understand why it's taking the rest of you so long to see how inept this program has become under his "leadership. "

 

[spider23]

The last game that I saw in person. I swore that I would not darken the RC again until Mooney was gone. I've been true to my conviction. I don't understand why it's taking the rest of you so long to see how inept this program has become under his "leadership. "

I was very pro Mooney for a period of time, and now not so much. Problem is more the admin than the fans. Though Matt Smith said we can get new fans. So they may have a cardboard cut out of you already in place. The admin and Jabba and PQ and 80's fan all think he is doing a peachy job and they trump us fans. But I hear you, we could have done better. Wish moon had taken that BC job, suitors have been nil since then, and that should tell you something.