Beilein leaving the Cavaliers
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And plenty of coaches don't. They almost all have a clause that prevents them from being assigned to different duties in the department, so their contract gets paid out if they are fired.
Thanks for the grammar reminder. It's been a long time since Dr. Loxterman's freshman English composition/American Lit class.
As a UR class of 98 grad I'll always hold Coach Beilein in high regard. I've had the chance to meet him a few times and he couldn't have been more personable and engaging. Good luck to him and his family wherever his next journey takes him.
Final settlement details seem to be he will be paid full amount for rest of the season. So basically - he gets 4 million for one year's work, where he coaches half a season. Win -win for both sides. Cavaliers save paying him the next 4 years, and JB gets to leave with a nice little retirement gift.
This was really doomed from the start. Unfortunately - I don't see any coach in the NBA having success at Cleveland for a long time unless they can accumulate some good draft picks and keep those draft picks once they become free agents. Also - I didn't see the transfer of JB from college to NBA. He has not had a history of sending off good NBA players from college from WVU or Michigan. And his system has some NBA wrinkles in it - but the NBA is all about players and player management. Look at LA Lakers - who is their coach - Frank Vogel. He had some success at Indiana, but then failed at Orlando. Now has a top record in LA - why? Is he coaching different? No - he just has two of the top 5 players in the league in AD and Lebron. Players help. Look at Golden State - Steve Kerr was the greatest coach on the earth the last few years - making the finals and winning almost every season. But this season - guess what, they have a worse record than Cleveland - why? Is Kerr crazy or lost his coaching mind? No. They have no players! Its a player driven league. And this was doomed from the start for JB. But at the end of the day - he can check off his bucket list and I am sure the bank account doesn't mind it either.
This was really doomed from the start. Unfortunately - I don't see any coach in the NBA having success at Cleveland for a long time unless they can accumulate some good draft picks and keep those draft picks once they become free agents. Also - I didn't see the transfer of JB from college to NBA. He has not had a history of sending off good NBA players from college from WVU or Michigan. And his system has some NBA wrinkles in it - but the NBA is all about players and player management. Look at LA Lakers - who is their coach - Frank Vogel. He had some success at Indiana, but then failed at Orlando. Now has a top record in LA - why? Is he coaching different? No - he just has two of the top 5 players in the league in AD and Lebron. Players help. Look at Golden State - Steve Kerr was the greatest coach on the earth the last few years - making the finals and winning almost every season. But this season - guess what, they have a worse record than Cleveland - why? Is Kerr crazy or lost his coaching mind? No. They have no players! Its a player driven league. And this was doomed from the start for JB. But at the end of the day - he can check off his bucket list and I am sure the bank account doesn't mind it either.
I understand it's a players league but I hope years from now these current Cavs will look back and realize what a great man and basketball mind they ran off.
Can u link where you've seen those settlement reports? Woj the bona alum and regarded as one of top nba reporters has said paid portion of rest of season. Seen that elsewhere too.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28732883/john-beilein-cavs-coach-jb-bickerstaff-takes-over
Also he's already coached 2/3 of the season, not half. He's walking away from 12 million guaranteed. That itself tells you it's not the money. I don't really see the retirement gift.
Clearly it didn't work out, I think most everyone to a man preferred he didn't leave college I know I didn't but free will and all.
This isn't one-sided. It's mutual.
I've hired managers away from good jobs, and for whatever reason they didn't work out. In the interest of an amicable separation, I've offered several weeks of salary in exchange for their resignation. I didn't have to do it, we could have just fired them (and obviously there's no 5 year contract which makes a big difference). But part of the reason was our knowledge that they gave up a good job and they weren't going to get that one back. It's just the right thing to do.
Trap please link one of those reports saying he's getting full year salary. Curious to see that thanks.
Honestly I just think over the years u have presented Beilein as a money grubbing kind of guy and this is just another example. Of course virtually everyone cares to some degree about $. It's part of every negotiation imaginable really in any job.
But I can tell u factually Beilein is not that kind of guy. Again he's walking away from 12 million guaranteed. He's already quite rich. His grandkids r already taken care of. He's also very generous with his money.
I expect him to coach again whether high D1 ball or even high school hoops.
G, he is definitely getting a settlement. They might have fired him at the end of the season, or they might not have. He did not want to take the chance that they might not fire him and he might have to stay because he is flat-out done with them. Cleveland is ready to move on now also, but did not want to fire him now and have to pay the remaining salary. So, he is leaving now, both sides get what they want, and they are discussing a settlement.
Hello...McFly?? 4700 yes I agree but that's exactly what's on this thread already. The reports are that he's getting just a portion of his remaining salary for this year only. That would be the settlement. No one is disputing a settlement although that's pretty minor I'd say if true. Trap says it could be more but I'm waiting for him to verify that with a link.
I will try to find some Gkiller - but lets remember, there are two sides to every story. In the case of Beilein - I have heard both sides. One side paints the picture everyone sees, and another paints a picture of the money grabber. And my sources on the other side - I won't name them - are multiple former players (from UR and one other school). And I would even say money grabber is too harsh. But money and ego play into this together, not only for JB, but for what I believe are many college coaches that climb the ladder and hit the big time.
And listen - I don't mind him being a person going after the money. I just have a feeling that is how most college coaches are. There is nothing wrong with that one bit. Get the money while you can - because when your job relies 18-21 years old winning games for you, or in the NBA - multi-million dollar players showing up and listening to you - that future can be short lived, so get paid while you can and set you and your family up for life. If you can do it - do it.
UPDATE - my initial report link says final settlement is portion of remaining salary. Either way - he is getting over 500K to go home and relax. Clearly he could have gotten more if he wanted to sit on the bench and sleep for the next 4 years, but I think losing is tough for him, since he is not used to it.
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Sorry, G. I guess I just doubt they're going back and forth over 24 games. Do you think they are? Seems like that would have already been settled if they are just trying to figure out whether to pay him $0 or 1/3 of his salary this year. I think it will probably be either full salary this year or more. I can't imagine it would be less. Otherwise, what are they really settling? Pay me for 10 more games, no I'll give you seven more?
No prob Trap. Well I'll just say I have numerous connections to Beilein too. He got no breaks along the way - none. He he had to earn it incrementally every single stop. There is no straight line from a high school coach in upstate NY and then Erie CC to the NBA, especially not when your playing career was at Wheeling Jesuit. I do know him (not well but we've crossed paths for a few reasons during but mainly outside his UR career) so w that and the people I know closer to him I can attest not true. I imagine anyone who says that doesn't know him too well or had a grudge. Hard to fight "sources". And I say that knowing we each got em or our own biases. Anyway I look fwd to seeing the reports u identified with the larger settlement.
GKiller, I know Beilein very well as a graduate of UR and as high school coach in the Richmond Area while he was there. I respect him to the utmost because of his concern for his athletes, staff, UR community and Richmond community at large. He never took the shortcut period!
I'm sure it's already settled. Agents handle lot of it. My guess would have been full salary this year actually but Woj is very credible on NBA and no reason to dispute his reporting imo. He says portion. These contracts can be complicated. Heck maybe he got a long term house lease in Cleve area instead of buying and they'll working out $ for things like that too. Hey it happens believe me.
Let me be clear - I don't disagree. JB did a great job working himself up the ladder from D2 and LeMoyne to Canisus, to UR, to turning around WVU and then on to Michigan. There is no denying is a very good coach. And my "sources" who were former players of his from two schools (one being UR), all said the same. He was a very good coach and knew how to win. He earned every penny he made - no shortcuts. And my sources - I would not expect to have a grudge from him as all I can say is that two of them were all-league players for him and another one played solid minutes under him and had nothing but good things to say about him as a coach.
Let me be clear - I am not saying he is a bad person, bad coach, etc. He has proven he is good. I just think, based off my information, that he is like the majority of coaches out there. They chase the money to the next job when they can. And guess what - I don't have a problem with that. As I said earlier - they should do that. Shoot - if someone wanted to double my salary every time I switched jobs, I would be chasing it too. As would most people. Its human nature. Doesn't make him a bad guy or bad coach. Just makes him like everyone else.
I am John Beilein. I decided to resign because it was hard dealing with young, rich brats, and also it was cutting into my posting time here.
This article is funny in a way - but in reality sums up the difference between college and pros and why JB never stood a chance.
In college - you could tell the kids to shut the music off, play something different, or make them run sprints if they did it again.
In the Pros - you just have either let them do it, or buy some earplugs. When your making 4 million a year, its hard to tell someone making 4-5 times what your making (Tristan Thompson, Andre Drummond, Kevin Love) and is half your age what to do. They simply will not listen to you. Not saying I agree with it - just the way it is.
And when your winning - you don't care about the music, but when your losing - it becomes a thing.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-players-played-songs-164211370.html
In college - you could tell the kids to shut the music off, play something different, or make them run sprints if they did it again.
In the Pros - you just have either let them do it, or buy some earplugs. When your making 4 million a year, its hard to tell someone making 4-5 times what your making (Tristan Thompson, Andre Drummond, Kevin Love) and is half your age what to do. They simply will not listen to you. Not saying I agree with it - just the way it is.
And when your winning - you don't care about the music, but when your losing - it becomes a thing.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-players-played-songs-164211370.html
They weren't false - it was a cleveland newspaper reporting he was getting full amount for rest of season this morning. Then they updated article this afternoon to say partial amount. Thought a newspaper in cleveland close to the action would have the inside story - they got it wrong, so what. Doesn't matter either way. He got a settlement - which is more than you or I will make in several years, he got it for quitting.
Trap, we all knew the difference in when he took the job and he did too. he had to. it never made sense. other than money, you don't leave U of Michigan for Cleveland. it was never going to go well. there's no way he could think he's such a difference make that he'd take that situation and turn it around. no coach would. in college you can bring in new, better players. not in the NBA. not in Cleveland.
And one of the reasons my interest in the NBA is virtually 0
He was making 3.8 mil at UM and in top 10 of highest paid college coaches. It was the same money.
then it makes even less sense. I don't buy "the challenge". NBA maybe, but not in Cleveland. maybe he was sick of recruiting or something, but no way was he naive enough to think things would be great in Cleveland.
Speak for yourself. Yes quite the coincidence on story u read. Usually those will point out edits & corrections in the article. Probably not I bet here tho. U made numerous posts on here about him getting to cash all these checks & getting paid for several years re: buyout or settlement with intention of making him out to be a money grubber to some extent as u admitted to in past. So that’s why important to clarify the inaccurate comments and/or reporting. Have a good one Trap. Go Spiders.
I never said he would get full contract term. I thought he might fight to get rest of this year and possibly next year. But it’s clear he was unhappy and didn’t care that much to put up a fight. That’s his decision - seems he wanted out and out fast. Can’t blame him. But by your portrayal of him - you would think he would have left with no settlement or being such the stand up guy he is - why not give money back to Cleveland.
and your correct the article did state it was updated and edited with correct information. I have no problem saying the article on the web I was using was wrong. Doesn’t change my opinion of him. He is a great coach. But not unlike the others. Will chase the money just like majority of coaches.
we can agree to disagree on that all day long.
and your correct the article did state it was updated and edited with correct information. I have no problem saying the article on the web I was using was wrong. Doesn’t change my opinion of him. He is a great coach. But not unlike the others. Will chase the money just like majority of coaches.
we can agree to disagree on that all day long.
Doubt it matter at this point, but UR is not mentioned here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...rom-texas-on-down/ar-BB10an9M?ocid=spartandhp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...rom-texas-on-down/ar-BB10an9M?ocid=spartandhp
Of course we're not mentioned. Why would we be? We're not firing our coach and can't reasonably expect we'll have an opening otherwise.
Let’s not forget too he is also still working for Cavs. I am sure this new role they gave him is part of his settlement till the end of year and really is nothing in terms of real work or a real role.
Best option would say diasappear and retire. But that is his choice. He surprised everyone with the move to the Cavs. So don’t be surprised if he surprises again.
Best option would say diasappear and retire. But that is his choice. He surprised everyone with the move to the Cavs. So don’t be surprised if he surprises again.
He said give me a new job where I do not have to talk to new millionaires about basketball anymore . And I say make them raise hand for fouls
I thought the decision to go pro wasn't going to work anyways. Cavaliers aren't the same without Lebron.
The moral of the story: Never give up a great job to move to Cleveland.
