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Beilein leaving the Cavaliers

Maybe retirement? or the Bobby Cremins route of going to a small school where they are super happy to have him as coach ...and yes Canisius would fit the bill - although they beat the Bonnies they are having a 9-16 season to date.............
 
I don't disagree with that. If he did actually have interest and we stumbled down the stretch and missed the tournament, it would make for an interesting situation.
 
Understand your thinking but most likely "a bridge too far"..................
 
Not only did he cash the checks, he is likely to keep getting checks for the next year or so. That is why this process took 24-48 hours to figure out, because they had to agree on an amicable buyout. He had a 5 year deal, coached half a season, and I would guess probably gets paid 2 years as a going away gift. Not a bad check to cash as you ride off to retirement - which is what he should do at this point. Any job he takes now in college - even something like Texas to replace Shaka, is in a rebuild mode and at 67 - does he really want to coach until 70-71, to see the rebuild all the way through. Plus - one of the main reasons he left college was he was very much bothered by the state of college basketball and recruiting in general. JB has always been a guy to follow the rules and I think he saw the writing on the wall - sure, you can win games and maybe get lucky here and there with a good team - but in order to compete at the highest level in college hoops, you got to be willing to break the rules, especially with recruiting. Something he doesn't seem willing to do.
Would have been nice if his son Pat was still coaching - maybe they could have ended up on the same bench together with Pat as head coach and his dad as assistant. But given the issues Pat has run into - it might be a long time before he ends up on the college radar again.
Take the money and retire.
 
? is he leaving or being let go? you don't get a buyout if you're choosing to leave.
 
spiderman said:
? is he leaving or being let go? you don't get a buyout if you're choosing to leave.
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Its mutual - so a buyout will happen. All reports say JB is unhappy, and the Cavaliers have mentioned they don't see it lasting longer than this year. So in a case where you have an employee that is unhappy and the employer is going to fire you anyways in the future - they will come to a reduced buyout agreement. Otherwise - JB will just continue to coach, just sit on the bench and lose games and the Cavs will be forced to fire him with full buyout. This way - both sides walk away happy.

I would expect he likely gets paid for the rest of this season and maybe next year as well. Either way - the Cavs are saving money, and JB gets to leave.
 
I don't see Texas as a fit for him. DePaul, no chance. Wake is a pretty interesting option. Maybe Kansas comes open if the violations are significant there. He'll have the pick of the litter one way or another.
 
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I would expect he likely gets paid for the rest of this season and maybe next year as well. Either way - the Cavs are saving money, and JB gets to leave.
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you might be right but that seems excessive to me. as an owner, I hire a guy to do a job I expect him to do the job and do it well. not coach for half a year ask out. you want out, why should I pay you to not coach. plus there's the "thug" thing, and the player complaints.
 
You only pay the buyout if you believe he's willing to stay all five years. You could refuse to pay it and call his bluff, I guess.
 
Coach B is too honorable to take a "Make them fire me" stance. Everybody knows it's not going to work; he gave up a CFL position to coach there. He can't get his old job back. They will have no shortage of replacement candidates. Seems like both parties are trying to do right by each other by reaching a compromise.

It was a mystifying decision from the start.
 
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You could try to call his bluff or play hard ball and fire him and not pay a dime - but then good luck trying to hire the next big name coach, no one will trust you or what to work with you as an owner. I agree - in the real world of employees and employers with little everyday salaries, you wouldn't do this. But when your talking professional sports, with millions of dollars and egos and relationships at stake - they come to an agreement. Otherwise - you burn any chance at getting a new coach. Or you have a coach who doesn't want to be there, just sit and collect a paycheck for 5 years.
He will get something, the Cavs will pay something - and both will move forward amicably.

In terms of college fits - I don't see any out there for him. Best to retire at this point. Wake is a total rebuild and Manning has a hefty buyout. Kansas - JB is already upset at the state of college hoops, why take over the poster child for NCAA FBI investigation?
 
Dusty Baker is there to just keep the Astros playing for the next 2 years until this cheating scandal blows over.
Roy Williams I think has a huge recruiting class coming in next season so this year will just be a blimp on the map for him.

Mooney to Wake - next season, after back to back NCAA appearances.
 
play hard ball and fire him and not pay a dime

No, then you'd have to honor the full contract. A mutually-agreed upon buyout is the best resolution.

I'm not sure P5 programs are going to be falling all over a 67-year-old guy to coach. And how many P5 jobs will open that are a good fit for him?

LIke I said, Canisius would be a great fit. Low key, don't have to cheat in recruiting to be competitive at the MAAC/low-to-mid-major level, and I'd bet they would welcome PB as an assistant coach. Not as many perks as Michigan but seriously some of the benefits P5 coaches/players receive are absurd and could easily be done without.

He's familiar with WNY, still has family there, is a Canisius HOFer, and could easily get by on a $200K or so salary. Get back to where it all started and become a legend. I can't see him not coaching, it's what he does.
 
Yes the "Bobby Cremins" model would work well for JB. Go some place where they literally love you and agree that Canisus would "fill the bill" well because of his history there.
 
I like JB as much as the next guy, but I still don't get the buyout. sure, you hired him for 5 years. just like he agreed to coach for 5 years. neither wants it anymore. you're not breaking the contract any more than he is. he got paid for the work he did. move on.

if the owner is firing him, then he's due more. sounds like he's miserable and wants out though. he's 14-40. why does he deserves more money to not coach? his tenure there has been a disaster.
 
spiderman said:
I like JB as much as the next guy, but I still don't get the buyout. sure, you hired him for 5 years. just like he agreed to coach for 5 years. neither wants it anymore. you're not breaking the contract any more than he is. he got paid for the work he did. move on.

if the owner is firing him, then he's due more. sounds like he's miserable and wants out though. he's 14-40. why does he deserves more money to not coach? his tenure there has been a disaster.
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It has but that says more about the Cavs than JB. Why they decided the right guy to coach their team was a 67 year old coach who has never ever coached a pro is beyond me?

JB decision is mystifying if only you don't understand that he is always looking at the next place to prove himself. I don't see JB going back to Canisus. If he returns to coaching, he will have his pick of high major BCS jobs, and he will deliver for whatever school decides to hire him because that is what he does.
 
Wood Hall said:
play hard ball and fire him and not pay a dime

No, then you'd have to honor the full contract. A mutually-agreed upon buyout is the best resolution.

I'm not sure P5 programs are going to be falling all over a 67-year-old guy to coach. And how many P5 jobs will open that are a good fit for him?

LIke I said, Canisius would be a great fit. Low key, don't have to cheat in recruiting to be competitive at the MAAC/low-to-mid-major level, and I'd bet they would welcome PB as an assistant coach. Not as many perks as Michigan but seriously some of the benefits P5 coaches/players receive are absurd and could easily be done without.

He's familiar with WNY, still has family there, is a Canisius HOFer, and could easily get by on a $200K or so salary. Get back to where it all started and become a legend. I can't see him not coaching, it's what he does.
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Roy Williams is 69 and Jim Boeheim is older. Beilein is on that level. Every program in the country would be interested. He went to the national championship game twice in the past decade.
 
Eight Legger said:
Roy Williams is 69 and Jim Boeheim is older. Beilein is on that level. Every program in the country would be interested. He went to the national championship game twice in the past decade.
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So you're saying Richmond would/should be interested? He could take us to the National Championship game, win it, and scratch that off my bucket list!
 
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spiderman said:
I like JB as much as the next guy, but I still don't get the buyout. sure, you hired him for 5 years. just like he agreed to coach for 5 years. neither wants it anymore. you're not breaking the contract any more than he is. he got paid for the work he did. move on.

if the owner is firing him, then he's due more. sounds like he's miserable and wants out though. he's 14-40. why does he deserves more money to not coach? his tenure there has been a disaster.
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I agree with you - I am not saying he "deserves" a buyout, but in these situations - once is agreed upon, at a lesser amount than what is stated in the contract. It serves both sides - in that JB, who doesn't want to coach, gets to leave, and the Cavs, who don't want him there if he is miserable and going to lose over and over again, and not to mention - they have to admit as well they made a mistake and hired the wrong guy - they get rid of him quickly and get to move on to the next guy.

In an ideal world - yes, you would play hard ball - tell him to live up to his end of the contract, but this is not the ideal world. This is the world of professional sports and multi-million dollar contracts. It doesn't make sense to us "normal" people because we don't live in that world.

The Cavs are trying to balance looking decent so they can hire a new coach. If they don't agree to a settlement with JB, they look terrible and no one will ever come near them to coach that is worth anything. I honestly don't think it matters - Cleveland will be terrible unless LeBron comes back and coaches one day.
 
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So you're saying Richmond would/should be interested? He could take us to the National Championship game, win it, and scratch that off my bucket list!
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A thousand times yes! If he wanted to come back here, I'd tell Mooney thanks for turning things around this year and good luck at his next job.
 
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It's funny listening to some of you guys talking about buyouts. A few weeks ago the same people were saying coaches didn't have them.
 
GKiller said:
It's funny listening to some of you guys talking about buyouts. A few weeks ago the same people were saying coaches didn't have them.
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Many don't have "buyouts" per say, ie a specific amount of money that must be paid if the coach leaves early, or if the school decides to make a change with time left on the contract, written into the contract. That's a buyout.

Obviously JB didn't have one. So he and the school will negotiate a settlement. Which often happens when the "buyout" language isn't specifically written into the contract.
 
It wouldn’t surprise me if he wanted to go to a mid major. If he gets 2 years at 4M to leave Cleveland he will be set for life. He could take a lesser salary and teach at a place without the pressure of getting a championship. And he would bring immediate legitimacy. I actually see the A-10 as a pretty perfect fit for that. It would be terrifying if it weren’t UR.
 
KWeaver said:
It wouldn’t surprise me if he wanted to go to a mid major. If he gets 2 years at 4M to leave Cleveland he will be set for life. He could take a lesser salary and teach at a place without the pressure of getting a championship. And he would bring immediate legitimacy. I actually see the A-10 as a pretty perfect fit for that. It would be terrifying if it weren’t UR.
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Please not VCU.
 
The buyout in this case was a fully guaranteed contract. Per ESPN - since both sides are unhappy they are working on a settlement I.e a lower amount than fully paying remaining contract.
 
if my memory serves me, seems JB had heart surgery in the past couple of years. at his age, with some type of heart ailment, am hitting my favorite vacation location for retirement. sad that it did not work out for him in the nba, bit of a stretch but most coaches always want to push the envelope, try the next higher rung on the career ladder. really hope he goes out and enjoys some time away.
 
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