Basketball Admissions- Changes are Coming
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Colleges are changing standard admissions requirements, so of course the NCAA will follow. All this super scoring and other permutations was ridiculous anyway. How the testing companies managed to convince everyone of the tests importance is amazing to me.
I can't read the article, but i still see the value in testing. it's not perfect but I don't see any other way to compare students' academic abilities. application essays would be great if they were actually written by students without help, and they never are.
I’m telling you right now that we wouldn’t have made the tournament. Had Davidson in the first round of the conference tournament and I GUARANTEE that we would have lost. UR beat them 2 times in the regular season and it’s hard to beat someone 3 times in one year. Davidson would’ve pulled the upset and UR would have been left out of the NCAA’s as a result.
Wow. Interesting logic there. We beat Davidson twice in the regular season, so that mean you guarantee, oh sorry, GUARANTEE, that we would have lost to them in the tourney?
Sorry to show how wrong you are, but, no, it is not hard at all to beat a team 3 times in a season. This article from 2 years ago shows that for the previous 10 seasons, after beating a team twice, the 2-0 teams went 710-271 against the teams they beat twice.
http://coachbobwalsh.com/2018/03/02/its-hard-to-beat-a-team-three-times/
And, as far as going somewhere as a program is concerned, I would say going 24-7 and showing up on numerous tourney brackets last season, getting pre season top 25 love this season, and adding guys like Burton, Weir, Wilson, Bailey, and Nelson the last 2 years means we don't really want to go anywhere too far away from where we are now. But, keep sounding silly and hating all you want. That is your choice.
Sorry to show how wrong you are, but, no, it is not hard at all to beat a team 3 times in a season. This article from 2 years ago shows that for the previous 10 seasons, after beating a team twice, the 2-0 teams went 710-271 against the teams they beat twice.
http://coachbobwalsh.com/2018/03/02/its-hard-to-beat-a-team-three-times/
And, as far as going somewhere as a program is concerned, I would say going 24-7 and showing up on numerous tourney brackets last season, getting pre season top 25 love this season, and adding guys like Burton, Weir, Wilson, Bailey, and Nelson the last 2 years means we don't really want to go anywhere too far away from where we are now. But, keep sounding silly and hating all you want. That is your choice.
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Davidson was not a bad team and absolutely could have beaten us in the first round. I have seen the movie of UR choking in the A10 tournament way too many times and it would have happened again this year. Speaking of next year just watch; UR will get all the preseason top 25 and hype just as vcu did last season but will fall flat on their face. UR will be what vcu was this past season.
This is the best laugh I have had in a while. I feel like I’m watching Will Ferrell in step brothers
I used to support UR until I realized that putting time and energy into supporting a team that produces no results was not worth it. Ya you can call that being a fair weathered fan but other situations that are similar to this one usually get better with change. I don’t see any change ever happening at UR as long as Mooney isn’t around so I won’t be a supporter again until Mooney is gone.
Wow. Okay. You missed a fun year last year. We had a great team with a great group of guys. The chemistry was off the charts good, and even non Mooney supporters felt he did a good job last year. Your choice, but you really missed some good basketball last year.
And they would’ve just let me down in the postseason again. I think people would be looking at this past season a lot differently if there was a postseason for us to choke in. That’s alright they will just let everyone down again this year. Yawn, I’ve seen this movie before.
You know I have cabin fever from Quarantine Time when the best show on is VT vs VT...
It's too bad that we didn't have the opportunity in Brooklyn and then hopefully the tourney. I have been very down on Mooney the last 4-5 years prior, but have seen some encouraging things. I think we would have won 2 games in Brooklyn and slipped into the tourney. Mooney's recruiting has been improved, and with the development of Cayo - we finally did not have a team with obvious holes in the roster.
This year will be very interesting. With any semblance of a normal season, there may be some pressure on Moon to live up to expectations. If no OOC I think it becomes very tough to make the NCAA potentially. While we return everyone, I think SLU and Dayton will be very formidable, with about 6-7 teams that could match up with us and hand us an L on any given night. If we come into the season with a top 25 ranking, we will basically be everyone's big OOC game and opportunity to move brackets. Pandemic was bad timing for all, and really did no favors to Mooney trying to re-establish.
This year will be very interesting. With any semblance of a normal season, there may be some pressure on Moon to live up to expectations. If no OOC I think it becomes very tough to make the NCAA potentially. While we return everyone, I think SLU and Dayton will be very formidable, with about 6-7 teams that could match up with us and hand us an L on any given night. If we come into the season with a top 25 ranking, we will basically be everyone's big OOC game and opportunity to move brackets. Pandemic was bad timing for all, and really did no favors to Mooney trying to re-establish.
You’ve already been banned once (or was it twice?) yet you keep making new accounts to post on here. You’ve definitely stopped putting in “time and energy.”
I'm liking the post-billboard Mooney....coincidence?
Grant, Gilly, Nick, etc pre-date the billboard. he put this talent in place long before. some just didn't see it.
You must hate UR with a passion! What's a VT person doing on the UR fans site anyway? You should stay on Gobbler (Hokies) sites!
3 really good players is not enough to win at the level we need. Mooney has always has 3-4 really good players, his problem has always been having 8-10 good players. Some people saw our bench as merely giving rest time for our starters, and that it what it was for many years.
Last year, for the first time in forever, we had a team that went 8-9 deep with high quality depth. We all saw the talent, just most of us recognized it wasn't enough talent to win and compete for NCAA bids.
That has changed starting with this past year, so kudos to Mooney and his staff. It's too bad it took him 8 year to figure that out. Did outside pressure force him to do things differently, who knows, but certainly there could be a causal relationship between the palpable fan unrest in 2017-2018 and finally seeing some positive results in 2019. I don't care at this point what forced him to up his game and change his recruitment and defensive strategies, I'm just glad it did.
Because he would not have survived another bad year last year, so it was good for us, but really great for Mooney and his staff.
Back to admission requirements and removal of test scores - I am not sure if this is a good or bad idea, there needs to be some common metric to measure students and no metric is going to be perfect. You can't use GPA and grades from high school because each high school can be wildly different. So even if you remove the SAT and ACT test scores for admission purposes - I have a feeling they will still be strongly recommended, and if not - I would be willing to bet schools ask more questions or have more essays to be completed with admission application.
From a UR perspective - initial thought is this is good for basketball - might allow UR to go after kids that would not get admitted before solely on test scores. But like I mentioned above and given UR's history with athletes and academics - I have a feeling they will still have some process/preocedure in place to weed out kids they don't think fit academically with the school, even if they are athletes. But maybe we can sneak a recruit or two by the admissions office in the meantime.
From a UR perspective - initial thought is this is good for basketball - might allow UR to go after kids that would not get admitted before solely on test scores. But like I mentioned above and given UR's history with athletes and academics - I have a feeling they will still have some process/preocedure in place to weed out kids they don't think fit academically with the school, even if they are athletes. But maybe we can sneak a recruit or two by the admissions office in the meantime.
yeah, that was my point. guess I needed to spell it out instead of using "etc".
97, if you believe he only left the match-up defense because of pressure, I can't prove otherwise. but if you're talking current talent, it was all in place. he didn't recruit better because of a billboard or any ultimatum.
Check 712-VT bio- just joined the board last week. Obviously, his expertise is that he has none.
I wasn't talking about the players, I was talking about the adjustments and philosophy changes, don't put words in my mouth. You are part of the crowd that always wants to claim that criticizing Mooney means hating the players.
Haha you told him not to put words in your mouth and followed it up by speculating and putting words in his mouth. That was pretty funny if intentional
I neither quoted you nor put words in your mouth. And you must have me confused with someone else, as I have not been a particularly strong Mooney defender. Just look at my long-time avatar.
The billboard definitely jolted moon man out of his stupor. He became way too damn comfortable after Miller's stupid contract. Let's move on. It is what it is, but let's try to be real and not so elitist on here. Moon was finally motivated, and now he has an all time excuse if he fails.
I heard from someone I trust that Mooney invented the coronavirus because he was worried about losing to Davidson in the A10 tournament, missing the NCAAs and getting fired. Don’t quote me on it, but it sounded fairly legit to me.
I heard it mentioned as the Mooney virus on CNN earlier.
Wouldn’t surprise me. Mooney is soft as cotton and it trickles down to the rest of the team.
I'd love to see you say that to Blake Francis' face.
I’d say it no problem. UR basketball is soft until they show me different.
I will say, I see some really good signs that Mooney is turning the corner. Recruiting is on the upswing. He is showing some ability to adapt after years of sticking to his match up zone - which was highly effective for awhile, and diminished after the A10 figured it out. Another area he has adapted IMO is utilizing big guys close to the basket. Cayo and Golden are not 3 point shooters (Grant can hit them, but not his strength). Mooney has really used them well, working inside out and ensuring a lot of touches for both on the interior. Hopefully can keep the momentum through this pandemic. Between A10 tourney and NCAA's cancelled, and now if we play no OOC - just terrible timing for Mooney and the Spiders. I know, it's kind of bad timing for everyone on the planet - I get it. I'm just pointing out that this timing is particularly bad for a coach who has not made the NCAA's in 9 years and was in great position to make it two years in a row, and now good chance will not make it at all, either due to no season, or no OOC, with Richmond having a big target on the back in A10.
The thing is thought that UR really hasn’t turned a corner in basketball recruiting. Not sure how anyone sees that. UR hasn’t finished higher than 5th in the A10 recruiting rankings in the last 4 years according to 247 which is the best recruiting site there is. Anyone want to guess where UR’s 2020 class ranks in the conference? That’s right 8th. The 8th best recruiting class isn’t going to put you in the NCAA’s and neither is 5th. If UR keeps recruiting in the middle of the pack in the conference then they will keep finishing in the middle of the pack in the standings. And stop with the “we recruit underrated guys who develop well”. That’s just a load of BS, UR has gotten lucky a few times with undervalued recruits. It’s not a consistent way to keep recruiting.
We will see how 2021 plays out, if we get Scheiffellin or Larson or a comparable big guy, I would say recruiting is a slam dunk. I do agree we have been down in past years, and we were battling vs low D1 and no offers, etc for guys. 97 had a high hit rate on deeming a guy a bust unfortunately. Schneiders, Verbinski, Pistokache, list goes on.
2020 does not have any guys in that conversation. Dji was a Wake commit and getting a lot of interest after decomitting due to coaching change. Isaiah Wilson had p6 and A10 offers, and Weir had a long list of offers. No reaches in this class. 2021 - beat out Vandy for Nelson. So I do agree Mooney was really not getting the job done for a long stretch, but again looks like is turning the corner.
2020 does not have any guys in that conversation. Dji was a Wake commit and getting a lot of interest after decomitting due to coaching change. Isaiah Wilson had p6 and A10 offers, and Weir had a long list of offers. No reaches in this class. 2021 - beat out Vandy for Nelson. So I do agree Mooney was really not getting the job done for a long stretch, but again looks like is turning the corner.
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