A10/MW Challenge
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Why is Bay Area good for UR exposure? Asking legitimately. It is on the other side of the country and playing a team like San Jose St. is not going to generate hardly any publicity. Now, if we want to try and get a game with Stanford out there, where can we sign up.97, of course Mooney couldn't do that for every player but the Bay area would be good for UR exposure. Wo's being from there is just an added sidebar. And Mooney can chip in for the plane fuel.
What is better for UR exposure in my opinion is going to play schools like Florida, Kansas, Mississippi State, Purdue, Missouri, Cal etc. whether in a tournament or just going straight up to their building and getting our program on national television. Yes, I know those games are hard to get but VCU our crosstown rival and conference mate does not seem to have a problem getting them.
That needs to be the focus of our scheduling not finding nice home games as some type of selective reward for certain players who we deem worthy.
Look I've been an advocate for years of playing as many P5/6 schools as possible but SJ St away makes more sense than Longwood, Coppin St, etc, etc, at home.
As I recall, CM only did the local "home" games for seniors, it's not done for everyone on the roster in a given year.
VCU has a ton of money for buy games from their recent run of success in the tournament. They have wisely parlayed this into good scheduling, both up and down the SOS scale.
Well, UNC plays in the ACC and also gets whatever big time OOC opponent it desires. UNC has the luxury of doing this. We do not. We have to take every opportunity we can to put together the best possible OOC we can.
Agreed. If it is an either or between Coppin State, Longwood, Hampton, whatever other BS home games we scheduled this year to inflate Mooney's win total for the year versus a road game against SJ State, that road game against SJ State looks pretty appealing.
These games are great if you’re competitive/win. Going to big schools and getting the doors blown off on national tv is no good.
In Mooney’s middle year’s, playing Florida and giving them hell, besting Mississippi state, and other games on national tv were definitely good for us.
Do they? I think that's a relic of the past unless u have some recent examples. As 97 said UNC could get any game they choose anyway but I'm still skeptical they do this. Yes back in the 80s or 90s I remember. But that's back when power conference teams played true road games against high or low mid majors. Now that's an anomaly. Granted I give UNC some credit, unlike virtually all good P5 teams they do play some in state teams on the road - for instance they r opening up Elon's new arena this year. I wish power conf teams would adopt this practice. If UNC really did it we may be hosting them this season with Kenny Williams from Richmond area.
Re: MWC challenge go for it. We could use the scheduling help. Sure the AAC would be ideal but as others have said I don't see them accepting. beggars cant be choosers. Tho all MWC like a10 teams r not created equal I think it would be pretty cool to get a home game vs. a MWC team, a team fans would have never seen before. Some variety & it wouldn't be a low rpi game. And a road game against UNLV, Nevada or the Colorado or Utah etc. teams sound like a really great excuse for a fan road trip.
UNC comes to mind as a program that often plays away games where a player is from. They started this way back when Dean Smith was coaching. I think it is a great idea, and I'm not sure why this would be an issue with anyone. I guess some people on here just like to complain about everything we do. Makes you wonder if they are actually VCU fans because it is hard to believe a Spider would dislike our team so much.
Because as a mid-major you have to put together a great OOC to put yourself in a position for at large NCAA tournament selection and giving up games to play "near" some players home is not a way to do that. Having to argue this crap with a Mooney defender as yourself makes me almost want to become a VCU fan because at least they go about things like they want to actually win and have a fanbase that demands it.
And here we are playing with crayons try to make nicey nice to get our scholarship seniors a "home" game for all of their efforts in their 4 years. Instead of that, why don't we try to reward them with an NCAA bid.
I agree. We often play road games against a mixture of BCS teams, decent mid majors. and lower mid majors. Why would it be any different to play a road game close to the home of one of our players? How would that affect anything and be any different than what we already have on the schedule? Like I just said, some people just want to complain about anything.
Did it?
2015: @ Northern Iowa: Marcus Paige
Do you think it was a coincidence that they played a home and home with non BCS No. Iowa, or might it have had something to do with Paige's home being an hour from there?
Ha good work VT. Stand corrected.
I will say though for every 1 u find you’ll find 3 or 4 that don’t get it. Unc is selective with it which I believe was 97 point. I’m not against it conceptually. Also UR would sign up for H&H like those games too. If it was just about the senior hometown game you wouldn’t need a return game. But why don’t they do that? Because that would hurt more & p5 teams just don’t do that. Scheduling disparity is a real NCAA problem imo. There should be a minimum amount of road OOC games required.
We are not getting a return game so it’s not apples to apples. Back in the 80s Dean Smith era I think they actually took a road game for this type of game without a return.
If Stanford wants to do a buy game for us we’ll be all over it. But San Jose st...no. It has to make sense. The many times Unc didn’t get the senior hometown game is bc it didn’t make sense or fit. It’s definitely not some hard policy.
I will say though for every 1 u find you’ll find 3 or 4 that don’t get it. Unc is selective with it which I believe was 97 point. I’m not against it conceptually. Also UR would sign up for H&H like those games too. If it was just about the senior hometown game you wouldn’t need a return game. But why don’t they do that? Because that would hurt more & p5 teams just don’t do that. Scheduling disparity is a real NCAA problem imo. There should be a minimum amount of road OOC games required.
We are not getting a return game so it’s not apples to apples. Back in the 80s Dean Smith era I think they actually took a road game for this type of game without a return.
If Stanford wants to do a buy game for us we’ll be all over it. But San Jose st...no. It has to make sense. The many times Unc didn’t get the senior hometown game is bc it didn’t make sense or fit. It’s definitely not some hard policy.
Yes I’m aware, hence why I said they parlayed it both up and down their schedule. I feel like you guys never bother to actually read posts a lot of the time.
lol. maybe you can walk me through your post. I thought you were implying that VCU's buy game budget has something ... anything ... to do with getting big name games on their schedule.
if you're saying don't schedule road games against mid level teams that you may lose to, I can see your point. but you can't put together a schedule with 13 tough games.
honestly, I don't think you can fake your way to an at-large bid with a schedule. if you're good enough, you win enough to get there. if you're not, scheduling won't make up the difference.
Scheduling make a huge difference. Look at our OOC this year. We could 10-3 or 11-2 against this competition and not have any Quadrant 1 wins. The committee will notice that and will hold that against you. At the end of the year, it is not how many wins you have but who you beat and to a lesser degree where you beat them.
Exactly my point. We don't go looking to play a San Jose St type level of team, or UMKC for Gilyard. Now, if Missouri or Stanford want a game, by all means. Call it the damn Wojcik reunion game for all I care.
On a broader level, you can't do this for every senior, so I think it also runs the potential of playing favorites with players. Gilyard gets a "home" game but Grant doesn't. That is usually a no-no in good governance.
Grant's from Virginia. half our games are within reasonable driving distance.
you can't get a local game for Andre or Tomas. their families knew that coming in. but if you can get a game you like that's close to a kid's family who's from far away once in their 4 years, I'm for it.
edit: btw ... not sure it's a coincidence that we're playing in Ft Myers this year. Julius is from Cocoa FL. not exactly right next door, but it's drive-able for his family.
you can't get a local game for Andre or Tomas. their families knew that coming in. but if you can get a game you like that's close to a kid's family who's from far away once in their 4 years, I'm for it.
edit: btw ... not sure it's a coincidence that we're playing in Ft Myers this year. Julius is from Cocoa FL. not exactly right next door, but it's drive-able for his family.
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I like this as a practice, and think if we can make it work then no reason not to. I also think to smans point we don’t need to be rigid, it won’t apply in all cases nor should it if we can’t find a reasonable opponent.
I think this was an Ole Jer strategy that I don’t think CM necessarily continued, so I’m not holding my breath that it’s coming to fruition anytime soon.
I think this was an Ole Jer strategy that I don’t think CM necessarily continued, so I’m not holding my breath that it’s coming to fruition anytime soon.
It is a coincidence. Those tournaments are too much a premium in OOC scheduling. Even tho this years is weak as far as these tournaments go.
Plus if you're gonna count games 4 hours away as a homecoming game it's really a reach, no? Anyway we played at Florida in Gainesville JJ's frosh year. Gainesville closer. we already met your 1 in 4 years criteria.
likely a coincidence, but I'm sure the Johnson's appreciate a drive-able game regardless.
that's all I'm suggesting for players that come a long distance. it doesn't have to be in their backyard. it also has to be a game that works for the program.
most of our guys will get "close" games by coincidence. might need a little effort if we want one for Gilyard. Wojcik has east coast ties anyway, so we probably don't have to go to CA for his family to see him. According to this article, he summers in NJ
https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Siena-basketball-gets-letter-from-Wojcik-12360871.php
that's all I'm suggesting for players that come a long distance. it doesn't have to be in their backyard. it also has to be a game that works for the program.
most of our guys will get "close" games by coincidence. might need a little effort if we want one for Gilyard. Wojcik has east coast ties anyway, so we probably don't have to go to CA for his family to see him. According to this article, he summers in NJ
https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Siena-basketball-gets-letter-from-Wojcik-12360871.php
good point. so everybody except the internationals do get a relatively local game.
Well, my calculations were performed assuming driving 220 mile/hour, of course the roads are very straight out there.
yeah really like 4 hours away. I mean is it a hometown game if you play in THE rival city? Hey Jacob KC hates St. Louis but we play them every other year b/c it's mandated by the league so congrats we're looking out for you! If I'm from DC and somebody said hey we'd like to play your hometown game in Philly or Pitt (it's driveable!) I'd be insulted. And if it's just falling back on the "nearby" game at least make a realistic attempt, 4 hours is not nearby.
Also what about the 4 year walkons. Need a game in Wisconsin for Kulju soon. Eh maybe they don't count as players or people....I propose we don't even feed those guys on road trips.
Granted being little snarky. Just saying any school is not against it per se...IF IF IF you can reasonably work out and it makes sense strategically with schedule. More often that is not the case.
Also what about the 4 year walkons. Need a game in Wisconsin for Kulju soon. Eh maybe they don't count as players or people....I propose we don't even feed those guys on road trips.
Granted being little snarky. Just saying any school is not against it per se...IF IF IF you can reasonably work out and it makes sense strategically with schedule. More often that is not the case.
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