How often does a coach get to celebrate his 20th season at the same school by losing 20 games in that same season? Quite an accomplishment!
A 20-loss season
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20 for 20 - now selling the rights to ESPN. Go behind the scenes with major donors as they scramble to justify yet another extension.
8legs1dream
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Well let's take a quick look around shall we, I will never pass up an opportunity to go digging around basketball reference. I will try to ignore the seasons from smaller schools before they hit the bigtime and focus on their main time at their main school or schools.
John Wooden, 20th season -- 29-1, National Championship
Coach K, 20th season -- 29-5, Sweet 16
Jim Boeheim, 20th season -- 29-9, lost in National Championship game
Dean Smith, 20th season -- 29-8, lost in National Championship game
Jim Calhoun, 20th season -- 30-4, Elite Eight
Roy Williams, 20th season -- 36-3, Final Four
So as you can plainly see, it is actually quite normal for a coach to experience a lull in......wait a second, the 20s are on the WRONG SIDE!
Greg Kampe's 20th season...13–17 and 6–10 in the MCC.
But yeah, the guy has one 20-loss season in his 40 years at Oakland.
But yeah, the guy has one 20-loss season in his 40 years at Oakland.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
for some reason we don't have increased expectations for a 20-year coach or so I've been told
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
McKillop was 27-8 and 18-2 in the SoCon in his 20th year. Of course he had Curry that year.
He had one 20 loss season. His first one.
You’re comparing Mooney with hall of famers and coaches for teams that have the expectation of winning a national championship as success. A more accurate comparison in my opinion is Greg Kampe at Oakland like others brought up, James Jones at Yale, or even more so Bob McKillop with Davidson
Not sure, but your comment may have referred to me saying that the expectations for Mooney remain the same. Like I reference above, McKillop, is the best comparison to make with us. He consistently had NCAA level success with one deep run. I am sure Davidson was ecstatic about those results and didn’t expect him to win a national championship just because he was there longer. Same thing with Kampe at Oakland to a lesser extent. It’s all relative to the school’s expectation. If McKillop had those exact results at UNC, he would’ve never made it there for 20 years. Comparing Mooney and McKillop directly, I do think McKillop produced more than Mooney over his stretch and was overall a better coach than Mooney too.
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Nah but u went right to national championship quickly there student17. That’s quite a leap from increased expectations. We have 3 NCAAs in 20 years. 1 in 14. Has that met any expectations? Nor should a team be in our position from a 20-year coach.
The 1 in 14 is beyond believable in that the coach is still hanging around AND for more years. Our “leaders” truly don’t care. They’re comfortable with us not being a March Madness team. If they weren’t, then we’d be talking about 1 and 14 as in the past with a previous coach.
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I’ve spoken at length before how NCAA isn’t the only barometer our administration uses for success and that there were several seasons that were deemed “successful” enough that warranted him staying. The time to fire him was in 2018. Since then he’s done pretty well overall. If we continue to have seasons like this for 1-2 more years, then there should be pressure for him to be let go. Next year will be a very big year in terms of showing whether Mooney can lead this program in today’s era of college basketball or not.
NCAA Tournament should be the gold standard and primary barometer of how we gage success. Other criteria should be considered secondary and fillers. Unfortunately UR has flipped the scale. What’s up is down, and what’s down is up. And that’s a big reason why mediocrity is perpetuated. Good for anyone associated with the program that buys into and accepts that.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Do you actually believe half the stuff you type up on here? 1 NCAA trip in 14 years and 9-27 record against our hated in-city rival but since 2018 we have done pretty well! While we put the finishing touches on another 20 loss season 😂
Agree, Any successful program uses NCAA as the number one measuring stick. Any. It's ridiculous that our admin doesn't care. Have to believe they are just so scared to lose PQ's money that it's a tradeoff.
We use "postseason appearances" instead of NCAA. So those NIT runs were the big payoff, boys! Everyone bask in the 18-point second-half home collapse to Miami with a trip to MSG on the line!
Since PQ is so close with the Mooney family hopefully they will sit down and have a crucial conversation that it is time his money be spent on a new best friend in order to give our program a fresh start.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
"friendly family dinner conversation"
We keep saying next year will be a big year for Mooney and the administration, but I don't see it. UR loss 20 games in back to back seasons in 2018 and 2019, and nothing happened. And before that - we were 6 years removed from our last NCAA appearance.
They stayed with him then, and would do the same now. Last NCAA was 2022. So I don't think this administration is thinking about anything until at least 2028 or 2029.
And really - all he has to do next year is win a few more games than he did this year. If the team next year goes 15-17, that is not a good year - but the narrative will be - improvement, look at the turnaround.
And at the end of the day - money drives little old UR, and poor UR doesn't have the funds to fire a coach making over 1 million per year and likely would need to pay him 2-4 million (depending on years left and when you do it) to NOT coach. It is just not something UR does.
They stayed with him then, and would do the same now. Last NCAA was 2022. So I don't think this administration is thinking about anything until at least 2028 or 2029.
And really - all he has to do next year is win a few more games than he did this year. If the team next year goes 15-17, that is not a good year - but the narrative will be - improvement, look at the turnaround.
And at the end of the day - money drives little old UR, and poor UR doesn't have the funds to fire a coach making over 1 million per year and likely would need to pay him 2-4 million (depending on years left and when you do it) to NOT coach. It is just not something UR does.
Good question - anyone have any idea what games we have under contract for next season? I have to assume we are not in line for a high level tourney invite.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
heck, we didn't have the schedule for this past season fully locked in until like a month before the season started right?
8legs1dream
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give each fan a promotional jar of pickles as they entire the arena, throw them at Mooney.
everybody wins
If Mount Olive misses back to back free throws during the game - everyone gets a coupon for free jar of pickles.
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