News report this morning says 6 active cases on campus right now. That is most likely from the initial testing on move in. The real test will be testing done in 2-4 weeks after students have returned and started some classes, eating in dining hall and of course partying. But remember - the key to this being successful on campus is not only the students trying not to congregate, but they also have to be honest when they have symptons and go get tested.
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I’m praying that students and s/athletes take COVID serious.
I think Student athletes will and most students will - but as mentioned before, this is a virus that it only takes a small percentage of "bad apples" to ruin and infect enough of the bunch to shut it down. And not to mention - these kids have been isolated all summer - you know they are eager to get back and do college things - like party. Even the guy who is organizing this out of conference bubble admits - you can't have college kids bubble for 3 months, that is too long. But you might be able to get away with 2-3 weeks and play as many games as you can in that time.
Yeah, I don't think a lot of college kids have been isolating themselves prior to going back so they are just going to continue to do what they have been doing. When your that age, you think your invincible, engage in a lot of stupid stuff, and then you are going to ask college kids to do this for a virus that really is a low impact event for their age range.
Now, I think team sports like basketball and football you could get compliance because the kids want to play, know the protocols, see the pro's adhereing to these protocols and they have strict oversight and consequences from their coaches.
Which is why it is so disappointing to see the cancellation of college football. So, now instead of the entire football team adhering to strict protocols and testing, you've taken away the most important thing in their lives, and they are just now going to be like every other college student. Sitting around, taking a few classes, mainly online. What do you think they are going to do in their free time?
Oh they party, just not at sporting events.
No one? As in 0? Really? Think you need to do more research. I remember what it was like to be in college. I also remembered to do the right thing like not drink and drive. It's called being smart and unselfish. It's called caring about others as well as yourself. Those that care will do the right thing. You should try it sometime.
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In all honesty though - I think the best way for sports in general, especially basketball and football, to resume is if schools send the general student population home. Otherwise - for all sports - you would really need to isolate those kids off campus in a hotel or resort somewhere. I think this is already being done by major football programs - they are not keeping them on campus, but rather hotels away from campus and they take all classes online - but for smaller schools like UR - this becomes a heavy cost to take on. BUT - if you could send home the regular students and have the campus to yourself - problem solved.
There is just too much opportunity for the virus to spread to the athletes on campus. Parties, going to class, interacting with staff and workers (cafeteria, janitors, teachers, etc) and you have no idea where other students have gone (restaurants, grocery store, shopping, etc). You isolate the athletes in a hotel and confine them to that hotel only - food provided, bus to and from practice, online classes - then you got a shot at this. Otherwise - you are rolling the dice.
There is just too much opportunity for the virus to spread to the athletes on campus. Parties, going to class, interacting with staff and workers (cafeteria, janitors, teachers, etc) and you have no idea where other students have gone (restaurants, grocery store, shopping, etc). You isolate the athletes in a hotel and confine them to that hotel only - food provided, bus to and from practice, online classes - then you got a shot at this. Otherwise - you are rolling the dice.
Look, I want to have college football and basketball, but the purpose of college is education not sports. And while I agree that college sports is taking on an ever increasing and outsized role in so many universities. To send the "regular" kids home from college (which is probably 95% plus of the student body) so you can play college sports is a bridge way too far.
Also "isolating" young people for large periods of time alone in front of a computer screen, I'm not sure if this has been studied as to the longer term impact on a person's emotional well being, but I would imagine it would not be good and probably have much longer term impacts than catching COVID for college age students.
I know a lot of 18-21 year olds taking this seriously. it's a very small minority of them throwing parties and ignoring the rules. upper classmen at Penn State want the freshmen who were partying throw off campus. they don't want a group of stupid 18 year olds ruining this for them. they don't want another semester like last one which will happen if the numbers get bad.
People never had a problem with taking online classes from schools like Bob Jones university also University of Phoenix or Jones international university
I agree - sacrificing 95% of the school population to online learning so sports can take place sounds out of place. But when for a lot of the power 5 programs - these sports bring in more money than any class ever will and they also serve as the main marketing campaign for the school - it makes sense from a dollars perspective and that tends to drive decisions more times than you think. Reminds me of the classic line from the football movie - the Program. When one of the kids on the football team goes before a committe for cheating on a test.
"This is not a football vocational school. It's an institute for higher learning"
Football Coach: "Yeah, but when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to watch a kid do a chemistry experiment?”
So yeah - schools are there for higher education - but they also need money to do so. This is why they are trying to bring kids back to campus when they know for sure its not safe. And this is why they are trying so hard to get sports back on track. It has very little to do with - these kids need the college experience, the poor seniors will miss out on their final year of competing and maybe last year ever, etc. It has to do with money.
"This is not a football vocational school. It's an institute for higher learning"
Football Coach: "Yeah, but when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to watch a kid do a chemistry experiment?”
So yeah - schools are there for higher education - but they also need money to do so. This is why they are trying to bring kids back to campus when they know for sure its not safe. And this is why they are trying so hard to get sports back on track. It has very little to do with - these kids need the college experience, the poor seniors will miss out on their final year of competing and maybe last year ever, etc. It has to do with money.
schools aren't just opening up for sports. hundreds of schools don't make money on sports yet they're still opening up. and almost every kid, whether an athlete or not, has the option to stay home this year and study online. yet most are going back.
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Mostly agree with your post. But news flash on one thing, kids already spend all waking hours on screen, whether it’s phone, laptop, tablet or tv. It’s not remote learning that’s the issue, it’s just the “remote” part, and that presumes you don’t use your tech for a very good purpose, to remain connected.
I have, he’s actually one of my top employees. Probably good evidence that degree origin is at some point pretty dubious.
Schools are opening because they need the tuition. They know they can't send mom and dad a bill for $30K - and then mom and dad look in their living room and their 20 year old college student is on the couch and on their laptop. They will scratch their heads on that one.
But open the schools, even if the kids do remote learning from their dorm room - they are out of sight and out of mind for the parents paying the bills. Not to mention - it shows the school is willing to try. If a school like UR doesn't even try - then people will feel they are no better than University of Phoenix as they are all just online. So why pay the crazy tuition amount?
Unfortunately from a sports perspective - its a catch 22. Yeah - you want students back. But that puts athletes at risk. You can try and bubble the athletes - but as mentioned above - how do you bubble an unpaid amateur for an entire season? OR - you have no kids back on campus other than athletes, but then that admits to everyone that sports might be your first priority (or 1a). Either way - nothing is good.
But open the schools, even if the kids do remote learning from their dorm room - they are out of sight and out of mind for the parents paying the bills. Not to mention - it shows the school is willing to try. If a school like UR doesn't even try - then people will feel they are no better than University of Phoenix as they are all just online. So why pay the crazy tuition amount?
Unfortunately from a sports perspective - its a catch 22. Yeah - you want students back. But that puts athletes at risk. You can try and bubble the athletes - but as mentioned above - how do you bubble an unpaid amateur for an entire season? OR - you have no kids back on campus other than athletes, but then that admits to everyone that sports might be your first priority (or 1a). Either way - nothing is good.
I know Tbone. That is my worry. We are removing the one part of their life that is not in front of a screen and now making it in front of screen.
I'm in my 40's grew up without technology and frankly am pretty damn addicted to my screens as well. Imagine being a young person and this is what your generation has grown up with now and then I worry about how they are going to be able interact in person with other humans, when literally all of their interactions they have now is through their phone.
College is as much about as what you learn in your classes but your experiential experiences with your peers. I get the dollars argument Trap is making, but I think for colleges that in person experience is so critical for a young persons development into a well rounded individual.
I say the dollars argument because everyone knows colleges, and schools in general, are not safe right now. Especially colleges because your mixing kids from all over the country into one confined campus. Unless you can fully trust 18-21 year olds to wear a mask at all times, not party or congregate, and be honest when they do develop symptons to go get tested and quarantine - then it just won't work. Not to mention - what happens when a professor or a student gets seriously injured - maybe ends up in the hospital for extended period of time, has effects that last after the COVID goes away, or worse - dies. Does that professor or student family have a lawsuit against the University - I am sure you will find a couple lawyers willing to take that case and reach a multi million dollar settlement out of court.
Speaking of possible injury - I know some reports and research out there links a heart condition to COVID - anyone know if that would have any bearing on Grant's availability this season? I know he had that scary moment his frosh year and had some sort of surgery around his heart so I would have to imagine there is some risk involved - just not sure if that would enter his mind playing this season if it gets off the ground.
I believe from the videos he has been working out and practicing with the team? If so, would think he is playing.
Lot of unknowns still at this time, that is one reason it's not so easy to say they are young, they will be fine. Blood clots are quite scary and common with Covid patients too.
I do feel like these rapid spit tests can be a game changer for college sports, and in society in general.
It's going to get really interesting really quickly on the vaccine front. From what I can tell Moderna, Pfizer/BNTX, and Oxford/AstraZeneca all may be fully enrolled in there Phase 3 trials in early to mid September.
Lot of unknowns still at this time, that is one reason it's not so easy to say they are young, they will be fine. Blood clots are quite scary and common with Covid patients too.
I do feel like these rapid spit tests can be a game changer for college sports, and in society in general.
It's going to get really interesting really quickly on the vaccine front. From what I can tell Moderna, Pfizer/BNTX, and Oxford/AstraZeneca all may be fully enrolled in there Phase 3 trials in early to mid September.
I'm getting all three vaccines at once. Then just by walking around, I will actively repel the virus out of mid-air.
perhaps. or your employee is an outlier.
if brick and mortar colleges don't give a kid a big advantage in job opportunities, then I'm wasting a ton of money.
Education is what you make of it. I wouldn't trade my UR years or degree for anything, but neither makes me better or more qualified than someone who went to community college. I suspect I had better professors with more perspective and a group of friends and classmates who helped me grow more than I would have elsewhere, but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't achieve just as much or more doing it a different way.
Perfectly said. And, for me, it comes down to the interview. I would rather hire a guy from a community college who impresses me, and looks like he has "it", than a guy who doesn't impress, but went to a well recognized 4 year college.
Colleges after a certain level and I feel like all your paying for is the name recognition on your resume. I mean how different can biology be at UR vs. Davidson. Or marketing at UR vs. NYU. I can't imagine all that different - other than each school has different set of connections and different recognition when you put that name on the resume.
absolutely comes down to the interview. and if you post an entry level job for a computer science major and get 100 resumes, how do you decide who to interview?
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