50 Team Bubble proposed
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Just totally, absolutely insane. There hasnt been a collage aged athlete get seriously sick from this virus in months, and maybe a handful have been since the start.. The threat to these kids is less serious than the common flu. absolute madness.
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Just maybe some of these athletes have taken the virus seriously. The bubble could work, that is why they are tested prior to entering the bubble and monitored throughout.
You said it,I simply have my opinion. A bubble isn’t having contact with everyone in the world.
By the way I am an optimist.
By the way I am an optimist.
I don't know what UNC did right or wrong. sounds like kids went out and contracted Covid at home and brought it with them.
I say kids ... these 18-21 year olds want to be considered adults, but seems like an awful lot of them have a very hard time making adult choices and sacrifices. and it just gets excused. "you can't expect these kids to show up to college and not throw parties". well yeah, I kind of do expect that from adults for a few weeks during a pandemic.
I say kids ... these 18-21 year olds want to be considered adults, but seems like an awful lot of them have a very hard time making adult choices and sacrifices. and it just gets excused. "you can't expect these kids to show up to college and not throw parties". well yeah, I kind of do expect that from adults for a few weeks during a pandemic.
True, I'm not fully aware of their plans. But I have read UR's plans, including suspending kids from housing and possibly from school if they violate the COVID protocols, testing, mask distribution, etc.. I've been impressed with the systems that UR has taken to ensure an in school experience for students. If you don't make it through the first week though, I think it is safe enough to say, your plans were not very good.I don't know what UNC did right or wrong. sounds like kids went out and contracted Covid at home and brought it with them.
I say kids ... these 18-21 year olds want to be considered adults, but seems like an awful lot of them have a very hard time making adult choices and sacrifices. and it just gets excused. "you can't expect these kids to show up to college and not throw parties". well yeah, I kind of do expect that from adults for a few weeks during a pandemic.
UR is no different than all the other schools trying to open up - this is simply a money ploy. They need the money and they know they can't justify to parents and students paying full tuition if your going to be sitting at home on your computer. But if they bring you back to campus - even if it is to complete classes online from your dorm room, at they can charge full tuition and get room and board. Most of the protocols are pointless - like testing every student when they show up. That is just one day in time - unless you are expecting a bubble and no kid to leave campus ever, this does very little. Temperature checks are pretty much worthless as well as a lot of people will show no symptoms or can have other symptoms other than fever.
And UNC was just the beginning. Kids go to college to socialize and party. Yes - they are their for education, but we all remember college - you take maybe 2 classes a day and can be done with school before lunch. If they were really serious about making this work in the pandemic - they would cram their schedules. Get more done in less time. Rather than just meeting Monday, Wednesday, Friday or Tuesday/Thursday - you will have class everyday. It will be like your back in 5th grade - class from 9 am to 4 pm. But the flip side will be - you will be done with the semester before Thanksgiving. Less time on campus in crowd means less chance for the virus to spread or you catch it.
Instead - all they ask kids to do is stay in their rooms, don't party, and be honest when you show symptoms (its probably not allergies or a cold). And the issue is - it just takes 1 kid with the virus, to make one bad decision and next thing you know - you have 20-30 cases on campus and an outbreak.
And UNC was just the beginning. Kids go to college to socialize and party. Yes - they are their for education, but we all remember college - you take maybe 2 classes a day and can be done with school before lunch. If they were really serious about making this work in the pandemic - they would cram their schedules. Get more done in less time. Rather than just meeting Monday, Wednesday, Friday or Tuesday/Thursday - you will have class everyday. It will be like your back in 5th grade - class from 9 am to 4 pm. But the flip side will be - you will be done with the semester before Thanksgiving. Less time on campus in crowd means less chance for the virus to spread or you catch it.
Instead - all they ask kids to do is stay in their rooms, don't party, and be honest when you show symptoms (its probably not allergies or a cold). And the issue is - it just takes 1 kid with the virus, to make one bad decision and next thing you know - you have 20-30 cases on campus and an outbreak.
To be fair, about 35% of adults in this country (or maybe a lot more) are no different.I don't know what UNC did right or wrong. sounds like kids went out and contracted Covid at home and brought it with them.
I say kids ... these 18-21 year olds want to be considered adults, but seems like an awful lot of them have a very hard time making adult choices and sacrifices. and it just gets excused. "you can't expect these kids to show up to college and not throw parties". well yeah, I kind of do expect that from adults for a few weeks during a pandemic.
Agreed - this is why the schools, all the way down to the elementary schools will not work. If you got parents who don't wear a mask, or don't think this is a big deal - neither will the kids. Especially younger kids who can't make the decision themselves. I think elementary schools will be hit very hard because we already know parents send their kids to school sick, and this will be no different. Only now - if the child does have COVID - it will spread and cause that class or maybe even school to shutdown for 2 weeks.
I don't think it is that high. I think the people that like to make noise about COVID being a hoax/the flu, etc.. are just that really noisy.
When I go out now in public, I see pretty much everyone wearing a mask in stores. Yeah, you got your yahoo's that you see, but they are more like 5-10%. What they believe at home is another story, but if point being, if you make people wear a mask and enforce, almost everyone does.
That same principal applies with schools (elementary, middle, high). Make them wear a mask to attend, they will, cause their other option is to get kicked onto all virtual.
The problem with this virus though is that even if 10% don't wear the mask - those 10% can spread it to many more and fast. In all reality - the vaccine is the only hope to really feel safe. Will the vaccine be 100% - probably not at first. But if you get the vaccine, continue to wear a mask in certain situations and keep good hygiene practices - your chance of getting it will be very low and even if you do - your body will likely react much better.
But in terms of this bubble - it actually would be better if schools went online. The concern is not so much players or athletes getting the virus while playing their sport. The real risk is getting the virus from others on campus. It is much harder to keep kids isolated if the rest of the campus has students on it and they are hanging out, going to class, partying, etc. But if the campus is relatively empty, then it becomes much easier.
So if you want football and basketball to continue - you need to root for these school openings to fail and move to online. Then you can isolate the athletes on campus with far better success than if you had thousands of regular students walking around.
But in terms of this bubble - it actually would be better if schools went online. The concern is not so much players or athletes getting the virus while playing their sport. The real risk is getting the virus from others on campus. It is much harder to keep kids isolated if the rest of the campus has students on it and they are hanging out, going to class, partying, etc. But if the campus is relatively empty, then it becomes much easier.
So if you want football and basketball to continue - you need to root for these school openings to fail and move to online. Then you can isolate the athletes on campus with far better success than if you had thousands of regular students walking around.
a little confusing to me that we're reading about all these outbreaks on campuses and how it's a mistake to open, yet the national numbers this week are the best since June.
we had 44,000 new cases yesterday. not insignificant of course but we were hitting 70,000 per day a couple weeks ago.
we had 44,000 new cases yesterday. not insignificant of course but we were hitting 70,000 per day a couple weeks ago.
Yes, cases are declining, which is good news.
Bringing together hundreds or thousands of people in close quarters all over the country, especially if they’re not inclined to take precautions, is a great way to undo that progress.
Bringing together hundreds or thousands of people in close quarters all over the country, especially if they’re not inclined to take precautions, is a great way to undo that progress.
FWIW - At my annual physical a few weeks ago, my long time Doctor, who has a freshman going off to JMU, emphatically predicted that colleges that opened on site would be closing by October. Said no way to contain the spread in a college setting.
Believe that to be a realistic assessment.
Believe that to be a realistic assessment.
My thought is that many of these kids are being tested for the first time and that accounts for some of the early numbers.
He is very nervous/concerned about it.
Believe it is inevitable that virus will spread in college setting for reasons that Trap most capably advanced. Not judging whether that is good or bad, just that it will be. The age group has low vulnerability. Concern is they spread it to older vulnerable relatives/friends/acquaintances.
The main thing that gives me some concern with the virus is just the unknown of how it affects people longer term. If not for that, I think it wouldn’t be a huge concern for most people under the age of 60.
The concern for any age group is the unknown long term effects. Part of the reason the Big Ten shut their football down is because of the reports the virus could have on the heart. And they know it is likely that some heavy and active college football players have strained hearts - so adding to that potential effects of the virus was too much.
Right now - all the school openings, from college to elementary school is all about money and open schools = open economy. For colleges and Univesities - open schools help them stay in business, help the towns they support stay open, and then throw in athletics - your talking about multi-million dollar enterprises. For high schools and elementary schools - kids being back in school simply means parents can go back to work.
Every expert in the world has been predicting a surge in the fall when flu begins to spread along with COVID. So why in the world would these schools and companies try to open or do anything until January of next year. Have everyone stay home, limit contact - and you not only slow spread of COVID, but also Flu - and maybe by January - you got a shot at opening in some manner. Open now - your likely closing by October like mentioned above, and probably staying closed until vaccine is ready.
And the argument other countries are able to return. Easy answer to that - when they shutdown their countries - they shut everything down. It was a total lockdown. In the US - we did a "soft" lockdown. In other countries, nothing was open other than grocery stores for probably a month or longer. In the US - we still had restaurants open for take out and even Home Depot and Lowes were open. We didn't shutdown - we did a soft shutdown. Numbers are better - but we dug such a hole it doesn't matter this point.
Right now - all the school openings, from college to elementary school is all about money and open schools = open economy. For colleges and Univesities - open schools help them stay in business, help the towns they support stay open, and then throw in athletics - your talking about multi-million dollar enterprises. For high schools and elementary schools - kids being back in school simply means parents can go back to work.
Every expert in the world has been predicting a surge in the fall when flu begins to spread along with COVID. So why in the world would these schools and companies try to open or do anything until January of next year. Have everyone stay home, limit contact - and you not only slow spread of COVID, but also Flu - and maybe by January - you got a shot at opening in some manner. Open now - your likely closing by October like mentioned above, and probably staying closed until vaccine is ready.
And the argument other countries are able to return. Easy answer to that - when they shutdown their countries - they shut everything down. It was a total lockdown. In the US - we did a "soft" lockdown. In other countries, nothing was open other than grocery stores for probably a month or longer. In the US - we still had restaurants open for take out and even Home Depot and Lowes were open. We didn't shutdown - we did a soft shutdown. Numbers are better - but we dug such a hole it doesn't matter this point.
Some good points on here. Trap indicated roughly 10% of yahoos which I think is about right. Problem is as he correctly states that’s more then enough to keep the fire going. I’ve read a study here it states it only takes 3.5% of a nations population for a government to not be able to contain a situation they are trying to control.
I know we're into off-topic territory here, but... In retrospect, what should have happened immediately in March was a month-long lockdown of the whole country. But even though I think that was apparent to at least some medical and government leaders, I suspect the fear of pushback is what caused most to go into a very gradual mode of shutting things down in phases. This was totally new to most people, so the idea that you could be living a normal life on Friday but then on Saturday you'd have to stay in your house for a month would have been met by outrage with enough people that we might have had some other issues to deal with.
Of course, the flip side to the gradual approach is that along the way, you've had people saying "Well what's the point of locking down NOW...what's the point of enforcing mask mandates NOW...if it was so important, why didn't we do it earlier?"
It's sort of an ironic cycle. Those are mostly the same people who would have revolted if they'd been told to lockdown and wear masks all of a sudden in March. So we're kind of screwed either way, unfortunately.
Also: Yes, put our basketball team in that bubble and let's kick some ass.
Of course, the flip side to the gradual approach is that along the way, you've had people saying "Well what's the point of locking down NOW...what's the point of enforcing mask mandates NOW...if it was so important, why didn't we do it earlier?"
It's sort of an ironic cycle. Those are mostly the same people who would have revolted if they'd been told to lockdown and wear masks all of a sudden in March. So we're kind of screwed either way, unfortunately.
Also: Yes, put our basketball team in that bubble and let's kick some ass.
I've seen many people advocate an idea like this, but I've never understood how it would work in practice.
Would exceptions be allowed for things like giving birth to a child, police emergencies, fire emergencies, buying groceries, medical emergencies, medical screenings, protesting just causes, etc. ? How would any such exceptions affect the usefulness of the shutdown in stopping the spread of the virus?
Is the expectation that the lock down would eradicate the virus world wide? If not, what exactly have we accomplished after one month when the virus will go right back to spreading exponentially once we return to normal?
we've already tried remote learning and we all stayed home for months. it "flattened the curve" so hospitals could keep up. but it didn't stop anything.
keeping kids home this fall wouldn't stop it either. if it could, it would have done so in the spring. we need to continue to improve treatment to reduce hospitalizations, and eventually approve a vaccine.
keeping kids home this fall wouldn't stop it either. if it could, it would have done so in the spring. we need to continue to improve treatment to reduce hospitalizations, and eventually approve a vaccine.
No, only exceptions for giving birth to adults. If your house burned down, that's one less place where the virus could spread. You would have to order groceries online, or else die. If you die, that's one less potential host for the virus. Medical emergencies would be banned. Protesting just causes would be banned, because why would anyone protest something that was just anyway?
So I think we both agree that a lock down, in practice, would still involve lots of personal interaction due to all the exceptions that would necessarily have to be made. Do you believe that the virus would be eradicated after such a lock down, or would it still be out there? I think it would still be out there, which is why I don't understand why people advocate for it and am trying to understand why.
Well I mean in a theoretical sense, if you could achieve a near total lockdown for a month, yes, I believe the virus would burn itself out. Without being able to transfer from host to host, it can't survive. So you lock down as many people as humanly possible and limit the number of people to whom it can spread. We haven't had anything close to that yet, and the thing is still not super present in this area. Had we gone full lockdown for a month, it might have gone away. Look at New Zealand as an example.
Of course some people would still need to go about their business, emergencies happen, etc., but having 100 people out and about in a community is better than 1,000 or 10,000. It's just a numbers game.
I suspect that if the government had just initially said, "Hey look – we're paying everyone $1200 for the next month to stay the hell home. Anyone who is in public must wear a mask or face a penalty, and we're calling in the National Guard to ensure this happens," we would have gotten through this much faster and the economic impact – both in terms of government spending and the crippling effect it's had on businesses – would have been dramatically lower. Just my two cents.
Also, URI is cheating and should not be invited to the bubble.
I honestly think our lock down in March-April was just as effective as other countries. We saw our curves flatten just like other countries.
The problem was a large number of states, particularly Southern States, just opened everything back up after the lockdown and boom the virus came right back. Contrast that to New York, which has a less than 1% positivity rate now and had a much more gradual opening.
If we would have more gradually re-opened thing and kept high spreading businesses (i.e. bars and indoor dining, gyms) shuttered we might not be were we are right now). Secondly, we had a segment of our population that refused to wear masks in public and we didn't enforce mask wearing even in states areas with mandates. The public pressure of wearing a mask and enforcement of mandates by either government or private business has been helpful.
As for hoops, I don't see anyway with football being cancelled as it is, that we have an OOC season this year. Our hope has to be possibly a delay until January to start the season and maybe further delay the NCAA tournament to May, so perhaps we can get a fuller season in. I don't know how you put back together an OOC schedule if it doesn't happen in the fall. Perhaps, we set up regional or state bubbles to play some games.
Imagine a scenario, where UR, VCU, UVA, ODU, Mason, VT, GW, Maryland for example all played some Round Robin schedule. The City of Richmond would be well equipped to host such an event with the Robins Center, Siegel Center serving as hosts.
And I would add, hardly anyone talks about the social/emotional impacts of keeping kids/college student home and shuttered for another 6 months. Suicide and accidental deaths are going to kill far more college kids than COVID ever will.
Let's try to keep to the original topic of bubble discussion. If we get too far off course, this is probably better suited for OT board.
Back to the bubble idea - I think it could work, but it will be tailored to the P5 programs for sure. I am guessing UR would get an invite somewhere, since the reality of this bubble idea is probably to have 20 team bubbles in multiple locations. But again - this will cost a lot of money, so who pays for it. Each school chips in - that could exclude some mid-majors and lower level teams who might have had good teams this year.
There hasn't even been blood drawn yet on this discourse. But understood. I did come back around to my Virginia based basketball bubble after pontificating on how I would have solved COVID though.
Allowing students back on campus to take online courses, is like kissing in the wind.
Anyway, how bout that bubble.....
Anyway, how bout that bubble.....
I'm trying to put a mask on it to prevent it from getting to a point beyond return.
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