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Adding UR '85 Kelvin Johnson's son Darius Johnson to our tracking list since the connection was mentioned during the LSU/Central Florida game yesterday. Darius is a 4 year senior at Central Florida, scored 25 points yesterday and is averaging 15 points per game and over 41% from 3. Dad Kelvin has been a "special assistant to head coach" at UCF since '17.

Kelvin scored 16 points 40 years when we beat Sir Charles's Auburn team.

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Fairly light day for Spider-related folks...

- Trevor Smith: 7 points off the bench in 11 minutes but only 1-for-5 shooting as Hampton kept Duquesne winless
- Isaiah Wilson: 5-of-6 from the line but otherwise did not attempt a FG in 11 minutes off the bench as Winthrop cruised past LIU, while he had 3 assists, 3 turnovers, and 4 fouls
- Curtis Blair: Another DNP as Liberty shortened its rotation even further to 7 guys as they got by McNeese in a close one
 
Bumping since I'm bored .. only focusing on former scholarship Spiders versus the "family" components of this thread .. Dji not included of course since UR grad and starting on a SEC team but beyond him just evidence of our high school recruiting has to improve since all of these guys transferred down and other than maybe Randolph and JayNel are marginal contributors to their current teams

  • Marcus Randolph (St. Peter’s) – 35 minutes per game, Randolph is the team's leading scorer with 15 PPG on a 9-13 squad that currently sits 12th in the MAAC.
  • Andre Weir – Started 15 of 22 games, contributing 5 points and 5 rebounds per game for a 15-11 team.
  • Jason Nelson (Youngstown State, 18-10) – Has started in half of the team’s games, averaging 8 points, 3 assists, and 2 turnovers per game.
  • Isaiah Wilson (Winthrop, 18-10) – Appeared in 27 games but has yet to start, averaging 2 PPG and 2 assists.
  • Aiden Noyes (Belmont, 18-9, 4th in MVC) – Played in 23 games with one start, averaging 5 points, 3 assists, and 16 minutes per game.
  • Malcolm Dread (Mount St. Mary’s, 15-10) – Played in 9 games, scoring a total of 10 points on the season.
 
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8legs1dream said:
Our high school recruiting involves a map and a very large dartboard.
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yeah, our batting average has been poor.

the good:
this year's redshirt freshman (Soulis) looks like a hit. he's developing nicely.
Tyne shows flashes. he still might be very good. not there yet.
Tanner shows fewer flashes, but there's life.
Walz is probably the best. he looks really good lately. I think he's much better than anyone expected.

that brings us all the way back to Dji and Tyler. that's not a lot for the last 5 or 6 years, but we have brought in a ton of transfers.

with all the misses (Smith, Noyes, Dread, Nelson, Wilson, Randolph, Weir ...) I get why some of you won't get invested in the incoming 5 man freshman class. but it does look promising. no idea if any are ready day 1 or if they'll take some time like Walz.
 
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spiderman said:
yeah, our batting average has been poor.

the good:
this year's redshirt freshman (Soulis) looks like a hit. he's developing nicely.
Tyne shows flashes. he still might be very good. not there yet.
Tanner shows fewer flashes, but there's life.
Walz is probably the best. he looks really good lately. I think he's much better than anyone expected.

that brings us all the way back to Dji and Tyler. that's not a lot for the last 5 or 6 years, but we have brought in a ton of transfers.

with all the misses (Smith, Noyes, Dread, Nelson, Wilson, Randolph, Weir ...) I get why some of you won't get invested in the incoming 5 man freshman class. but it does look promising. no idea if any are ready day 1 or if they'll take some time like Walz.
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agreed - I am optimistic about incoming and redshirt freshmen and next year if one or more are ready to start they should even if it means that "contributors" this year such as Tyne get less playing time.
 
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I expect them to be average at best until someone proves otherwise. That's what our track record suggests they will be, unfortunately.
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understandable, since our last really good ready freshman was probably Gilly.
but a freshman this year might get as much opportunity as Gily got. haven't had that in a while.
unless a transfer comes in for a big role, which is likely.
 
Eight Legger said:
I expect them to be average at best until someone proves otherwise. That's what our track record suggests they will be, unfortunately.
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Exactly, fool me once Mooney, shame on you. Fool me, 80% percent of the time on high school recruits, I'm not falling for this shit ever again. As much as he was an average high school recruiter in much of the 2010's, since the calendar has gone to 2020's, he has gone from average to downright embarrassing.
 
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spiderman said:
yeah, our batting average has been poor.

the good:
this year's redshirt freshman (Soulis) looks like a hit. he's developing nicely.
Tyne shows flashes. he still might be very good. not there yet.
Tanner shows fewer flashes, but there's life.
Walz is probably the best. he looks really good lately. I think he's much better than anyone expected.

that brings us all the way back to Dji and Tyler. that's not a lot for the last 5 or 6 years, but we have brought in a ton of transfers.

with all the misses (Smith, Noyes, Dread, Nelson, Wilson, Randolph, Weir ...) I get why some of you won't get invested in the incoming 5 man freshman class. but it does look promising. no idea if any are ready day 1 or if they'll take some time like Walz.
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Good for us. But in comparsion to rest of A10 not sure those guys would yet be considered good recruit hits maybe average. But...still time for them and some potential.

Just curious what do you base the #nextbestclass off, why so promising? Could be and we'll hear a lot about it I'm sure after the season. Not wrong to have optimism on recruits, I like that these next 5 have size except for 1. But do they come in with better rankings or more accolades? I don't follow hs recruiting as much as I used to. Although I did warn us about Dread bc I have some Gonzaga connections. I know we got 1 good practice report from Sec9 on JRob. But to me they don't look all that different than what we're used to bringing in. I also realize sman that u a r ALWAYS high on the next group of guys. But could use some good hoops news so if there is more to why they r more promising I'll take it.
 
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GKiller said:
Good for us. But in comparsion to rest of A10 not sure those guys would yet be considered good recruit hits maybe average. But...still time for them and some potential.

Just curious what do you base the #nextbestclass off, why so promising? Could be and we'll hear a lot about it I'm sure after the season. Not wrong to have optimism on recruits, I like that these next 5 have size except for 1. But do they come in with better rankings or more accolades? I don't follow hs recruiting as much as I used to. Although I did warn us about Dread bc I have some Gonzaga connections. I know we got 1 good practice report from Sec9 on JRob. But to me they don't look all that different than what we're used to bringing in. I also realize sman that u a r ALWAYS high on the next group of guys. But could use some good hoops news so if there is more to why they r more promising I'll take it.
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Remember Colin Tanner was good enough in practice to beat both of those guys out and be our starting wing at the beginning of the year. Colin Tanner got yanked after a minute for our grad D3 transfer, 2 games ago.
 
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97spiderfan said:
Remember Colin Tanner was good enough in practice to beat both of those guys out and be our starting wing at the beginning of the year. Colin Tanner got yanked after a minute for our grad D3 transfer, 2 games ago.
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The counterpoint to that would be that the coaching staff isn't great at evaluating talent on the court so hoping that was the case with why they appeared in the fall to think Colin was going to contribute more than the 2 freshman.
 
according to maxpreps, Donnie Richardson has already scored 424 points this season shooting 50% from the field ... unfortunately 28% from 3.

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Argabright is averaging 18.3 ppg on a 19-2 John Marshall team. leads the team with 2.1 steal per game. has the rep of a sharpshooter and is backing it up at 43% from 3. hits 83% of FTs.

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Harper is from Gonzaga. heard anything?
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Nope sorry not much to offer. think i asked around time of committment but didn't get anything. reminder to try again. no comparison to Dread but that's low bar & u can just tell even by his role there. seems to be doing pretty well. really needs to get lot stronger which strikes me as not an early UR contributor. Gonzaga is always good with multiple D1 guys. that can make it harder to standout but also sometimes harder to evaluate. Dread didn't work out but I'm ok with going back to Gonzaga well.
 
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Argabright is averaging 18.3 ppg on a 19-2 John Marshall team. leads the team with 2.1 steal per game. has the rep of a sharpshooter and is backing it up at 43% from 3. hits 83% of FTs.

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Basically a poor man's Jason Nelson?
 
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according to maxpreps, Donnie Richardson has already scored 424 points this season shooting 50% from the field ... unfortunately 28% from 3.

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Think most of our recruits put up hs stats tho I don’t read a ton into hs stats due to level of comp, varied pace of play (no shot clock) & more.

Jason Nelson had glowing local reports & awards. Couldn’t play a lick of D. What makes this group more promising to u? Might be…I’m just not sure what u r basing off. Except it’s larger class due to 2 redshirts and maybe hoping Moon just has to be due.
 
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The counterpoint to that would be that the coaching staff isn't great at evaluating talent on the court so hoping that was the case with why they appeared in the fall to think Colin was going to contribute more than the 2 freshman.
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This should be a reasonable cause for termination in any other rationally run program.
 
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Think most of our recruits put up hs stats tho I don’t read a ton into hs stats due to level of comp, varied pace of play (no shot clock) & more.

Jason Nelson had glowing local reports & awards. Couldn’t play a lick of D. What makes this group more promising to u? Might be…I’m just not sure what u r basing off. Except it’s larger class due to 2 redshirts and maybe hoping Moon just has to be due.
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for one thing, this class has nothing to do with prior classes. the fact that Nelson and Dread weren't good doesn't mean Argabright and Harper won't be good just becasue they went to the same schools. totally unrelated.

we know this group had offers from Miss St, Temple, Mason, etc. so there's that box checked. the only reason I can think of that you seem down on the group is that other recent classes haven't been great and because Mooney recruited them. that's not fair to this class.
 
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Think most of our recruits put up hs stats tho I don’t read a ton into hs stats due to level of comp, varied pace of play (no shot clock) & more.

Jason Nelson had glowing local reports & awards. Couldn’t play a lick of D. What makes this group more promising to u? Might be…I’m just not sure what u r basing off. Except it’s larger class due to 2 redshirts and maybe hoping Moon just has to be due.
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Nelson had awards. I can't find stats, but no way he ever shot 43% from 3. he was supposed to be a very good PG, but didn't have the rep of a pure shooter. I think the same as Isaiah Wilson.

Argabright seems more in the mold of Anthony, Gilyard, Jones ... small, quick shooters who play the point. (obviously those are high level comps to measure up to ... just talking skill set)
 
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for one thing, this class has nothing to do with prior classes. the fact that Nelson and Dread weren't good doesn't mean Argabright and Harper won't be good just becasue they went to the same schools. totally unrelated.

we know this group had offers from Miss St, Temple, Mason, etc. so there's that box checked. the only reason I can think of that you seem down on the group is that other recent classes haven't been great and because Mooney recruited them. that's not fair to this class.
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where have I said that...I'm not down on them nor up....in fact I'm hopeful. I've only asked why u think this class is so promising. u gave impression u were higher on them maybe I misinterpreted that. since it's u spiderman we could use u actually being down on the class. u r regularly optmistic on classes so your hit rate is like Mooney's. go opposite.

but if the class does have a lot better offers that is a possible sign. i know Nelson had some pretty good offers. but idk if these 5 overall did, that's why I was asking. from what I've seen it's very similar to past but I don't follow closely. Figured u did.
 
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fan2011 said:
Spiderman, I am hoping these two come out of the redshirt year and are good, but why did they redshirt this year if they are good?

Our team is not good right now.
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I am taking the cynical view that the coaching team isn't great evaluating talent and they made a poor decision when deciding to redshirt them. I also still wonder if NIL came into the calculus of it since during their redshirt senior year if they are at Richmond or elsewhere they will ~23 year old men and if solid/strong players could command big $$$.
 
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Spiderman, I am hoping these two come out of the redshirt year and are good, but why did they redshirt this year if they are good?

Our team is not good right now.
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both are wing players who probably expected roles early, competing mainly with Tanner, Roche and Noyes.

then we add Dusan and AP ... likely each at a pretty high NIL cost. both are probably 3 or 4 years older than McGlothin and JRob. expectation in the program (correctly) was that Dusan and AP would play a lot. Roche would play. there was the Tanner summer hype. and there was a lot of talk (incorrectly) that we'd play 2 of the 3 bigs together some. so if expectations were correct about Dusan and AP and Roche and Tanner and the 2nd big, there wouldn't be a lot of time for the freshmen.

so we gave them the option. do you want to compete with 5 other guys for 2 spots, plus each other, for minutes this year. or do you want to redshirt, work on skills, lift, learn our system, get acclimated to school, still get paid, and still have 4 years of eligibility left?

personally I'd redshirt all day given the offer. I'll take 5 years of free college plus NIL in a heartbeat. bigger question is why did we offer the redshirt? we've debated this before. there's very little reason to offer a redshirt anymore. if you're hoping to benefit from that 5th year, odds are we won't. but Golden and Gilyard stayed so I guess it's possible.
 
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