Headed to Daytona with Colorado, Florida State, and UNLV. We’ll have Siena as a campus game as part of it.
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The transfer portal these days keeps me from waitng till fall to get back into CBB info but have to like seeing above. Don't know what the P6s having coming back but have to expect they will be thought of as better than the Spiders and probably UNLV would get a slight nod over them. Pleasantly surprised but still thinking a very cupcake-like OOC schedule awaits. Hopefully Mooney surprises there also.
Just reading thoroughly now so Siena comes to town. Funny that two players and a coach and mascot in that pic.
Just reading thoroughly now so Siena comes to town. Funny that two players and a coach and mascot in that pic.
This is a nice little tournament for us to be in, I’m looking forward to whatever matchups we get.
And god do I hope this isn’t on FloSports
And god do I hope this isn’t on FloSports
Three of the four headliner games in Daytona this year were on CBSSN, while the fourth (St. Joe's vs. South Florida) was indeed on Flo. (The undercard Daytona games were all on Flo as well.)
Anyway, this does look like a decent event. Not really expecting us to be fighting for an at-large at the end of the season, so don't need a top 25 team in there. Sounds like Colorado might be pretty good next year though, so perhaps outside chance at a Top 50 Q1 game if we get matched up with them.
I know FSU had some injury issues this year, so hopefully that's a blip and they see significant improvement. Haven't investigated to see what others might look like, but here are the final NETs and records from this year:
76. Colorado (18–17 NIT 2nd round)
94. UNLV (18–13)
160. Richmond (15–18)
220. Florida State (9–23)
206. Siena (17–15)
All what I would consider “name recognition “ schools.
Considering where I think we’ll be, it at least will create
some good pub.
Considering where I think we’ll be, it at least will create
some good pub.
We will be the weakest link of this 4 team tournament. Other teams will look at playing us as a net negative. For us though, these are 3 pretty good teams to play in a year where we aren't even going to sniff an at large.
This tourney is fine, & I've joked about Giles a bunch, but it still amazes me how often we have to rely on that connection (Mooney's agent!) for these tourneys. We have a coach going into his 19th year where are the other connections. shouldn't we reap more benefits out of a 19 year vet. Never have we played in Myrtle Beach or Charleston, the good 8 team 3 game single venue tourneys that always have an A10 team it seems too. U can add in battle 4 atlantis or what used to be preseason NIT, etc. I'm not asking for freaking Maui. But Charleston or Myrtle in 19 years would be reasonable.
btw u don't want to play top 25 teams next year? I want to play regardless of prospects.
And as glowingly as other coaches speak about Mooney all the time, why can't he get some games with some of them, either directly or in tournaments?
When have you ever heard a coach not speak glowingly about another coach. Only the one's that have big time feuds.
Looks like a solid pre-season tourney. Guessing FSU will be much improved this season - though just saw they lost one of their top players to the portal.
I'm with you Gkiller, lets play the best we can play. The Charleston event seems loaded every year. Mooney supposedly good friends with St. Mary's coach, lets play them every year.
Looks like a solid pre-season tourney. Guessing FSU will be much improved this season - though just saw they lost one of their top players to the portal.
I'm with you Gkiller, lets play the best we can play. The Charleston event seems loaded every year. Mooney supposedly good friends with St. Mary's coach, lets play them every year.
Oh, I'd love to play top 25 teams. I just mean that we're not expecting to be in the at-large conversation next year, so we don't NEED one for our résumé.
Yeah never liked that approach. Can't always predict those things. Hardly anyone expected us in mix going into 19-20, although I did..."NCAA or bust"...
Okay, I'll try one more time. I'm not advocating for an intentional approach of not playing top ~25 teams. If we can get them on the schedule, do it. But we can't.
All I'm saying is that, in my view, our at-large chances next year are virtually non-existent and so not having top 25 opportunities will be irrelevant. I'll be surprised if we're in the top 100.
If I thought we'd be in the mix for an at-large, those top ~25 games would be crucial, particularly since we're not getting any in A-10 play.
All I'm saying is that, in my view, our at-large chances next year are virtually non-existent and so not having top 25 opportunities will be irrelevant. I'll be surprised if we're in the top 100.
If I thought we'd be in the mix for an at-large, those top ~25 games would be crucial, particularly since we're not getting any in A-10 play.
I think you should go into every season thinking you have a chance at an at large. Above average PG play, above average 3 point shooting, and above average defense should put you in the mix. Last season we were below average at PG, below average from 3, and maybe slightly above average defensively, and the result was an ugly 15-18 season.
8legs1dream
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at first glance I never would have guessed that the Noles had the worst NET of the bunch!
For the last few years, their won-lost record has gone down. Last year they were far below us.
True - Leonard Hamilton is such a great coach and rumored to be in his final years so sort of expect them to turn it around next year - we'll see.
Yes, they also had a player to enter the portal. Not sure how important he I was to the team.
Temper your expectations they said
The only thing I disagree with is I feel we were a below average defensive team. The main reason is we often failed to get stops in cruch time.
Not only did we fail to get stops, we actively fouled the other team’s 3 point shooters in crunch time
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Kenpom had us 5th in the A-10 and 117 overall in defensive efficiency. We only allowed 67.8 PPG (Mason was 3rd in the A-10 at 67.2), and gave up 62 or less 14 times, including 5 of our losses. All that seems slightly above average to me, but I hear you about the stops. We could have done better at times getting stops when needed.
I'm not sure that ppg allowed is an effective way to critique our defense or any defense. We play a slower pace, so naturally both teams will have fewer possessions and likely score fewer points.
Defensive efficiency is points per possession. Same with offense. That's why I mentioned and like using kenpom the best for offense and defense numbers. I hear you about PPG not always being a telling stat, but it's not like we are UVA and their extra slow pace out there. I think giving up 62 or less 14 times was still pretty good. No question there were some bad defensive games and bad moments defensively this year, but plenty of good ones too. I think overall more good than bad, so that's why I put us at slightly above average. But, just my opinion, and I'm certainly not saying anyone is crazy for thinking otherwise.
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