Questions about Patriot League rules (redshirts, etc.)
- By Gallipoli
- UR Football Board
- 18 Replies
Are NIL payments forbidden in the Patriot League? If so, how will this affect UR's program?
I agree that this is likely not the norm anymore and Mooney should adjust to this new norm in terms of evaluating players and transfers. Still, I imagine most high school recruits go into a program hoping that they stay there all 4 years (whether that is the case is totally different). I am sure when Mooney recruits high school players or even had the conversation with McGlothin/Robinson about redshirting, its keeping in mind their development over a 4-5 year stretch at a program. But yes, I think its fair to say the norm in how recruiting is done has changed, and Mooney needs to adjust to that.Not relevant anymore. Hardly any player stays at a school for their entire college career nowadays.
The road wins at Kansas and Colorado were huge, but the A-10 had a much better reputation then, which was also a major factor in getting a bid. We only went 10-6 in the A-10 that year, and only went 1-4 against the other 3 A-10 teams that made the tourney, but we got the 4th bid out of the A-10.
That's a fair argument, but in this case, Mooney has already been rewarded very nicely. And he didn't do enough to warrant another reward.And just because you know a coach doesn't want to leave a place, is that really a reason to use against them when deciding whether to give them an extension or not? If you knew someone who works at a company for 20 years and does something noteworthy for a promotion/raise, would you want their boss to not give it to them because the boss knows the employee likes it there, has a family who likes it there, close(ish) to retirement (<7 years), and doesn't want to leave? I don't think that's fair and should not be used against someone in making that determination, regardless whether its a young up-and-coming coach who is looking to leave for P5 or an older, tenured coach with the same program.
Completely agree. If that was the thought, it is in line with Hardt's awe and awakening at touring the VCU hoops practice facility, when most of the A10 already had them, let alone the power conferences.Not relevant anymore. Hardly any player stays at a school for their entire college career nowadays.
Not relevant anymore. Hardly any player stays at a school for their entire college career nowadays.extending through 2028-2029 was likely for recruiting purposes to show a coach being at a school throughout a player's tenure there.
We'll have to agree to disagree then.It absolutely detracts from the accomplishment!
It absolutely detracts from the accomplishment!He did not get rewarded for ending the season with 3 bad losses, he got rewarded for winning A10 regular season and A10 COY. It was very disappointing to end that way, but shouldn't detract from the accomplishment.
Mason clearly doesn't want their coach to be poached again, 1 year after their last coach left, that would be devastating for trying to build a program. Obviously, it is a COMPLETELY different situation here, with a 20 year tenured head coach, who just received another extension 2 years prior who has said multiple times he has zero desire to leave Richmond, nor does any school want him, and he is already one of the highest paid coaches in our league as it is.
Preach on, bro!It remains funny to read when the vt4700's and student17's bring up 22' NCAA as reason for extension. I've read on it here before. But correctly refuted by many. He already got that extension in 2022.
also lmao about the commuter school Goo Moos comparison. overall it's like our moms used to say if your friend jumped off a bridge would you? At Richmond I guess it's yes. & if Mooney had an auto extension for a damn media A10 coach of year award where is the transparency to say so for highest paid employee of university. don't other schools state that....now where's the bridge. Anyway no way he had TWO years auto extension for that either. otherwise our contracts r even worse garbage. The only auto extension should be NCAA. That is the metric. That is why we went to A10. We did better pre-Mooney. We have 3 in 20 years. even philly bob black says that is underperformance.
why did he need 5 years...makes zero sense. That's what he got. Why wasn't 3 years enough (that's what he had) when he was coming off a losing season followed by a NIT year when we didn't even end up on bubble and ended season on an absolute dud with 3 bad losses. He got REWARDED for that. student17 says we must rewartd that type of preformance. That's a problem imo. A guy who had already received at least 4 other extensions. Let's give the 20 year coach even more 24 year security, someone with only 3 ncaas, has 40% down .500 or less seasons overall, and is the WORST rivalry coach of ALL TIME. A fact nobody cares about within the walls of the RC. Is this how "one of the top basketball programs in the NATION" should operate?
Because we want comfortability. I predicted we would extend him this summer bc they didn't want the risk of bad year then having 2 years left and maybe having a teensy weensy bit of pressure the following year. But no we prefer status quo and comfortability. which is even dumber when you consider the actual years we do really well is when he has that teensy weensy pressure. His first ncaas he got 4 years it was time, 19-20 was needed after those back to back terrible years (BILLBOARD), and 2022 he was finally nearing end of contract when it was doable to move on & it looked like a change was at least possible (PETITION GUY). when he has extra years (comfortability) we don't produce.
When did I say that winning the A10 tournament in 202 should be reason for an extension in 2024? He got an extension in 2022 for winning the A10 tournament + NCAA R32 and an extension in 2024 for winning A10 regular season and probably the A10 COY. The way I see it, is those are two separate, independent extensions. Winning A10 tournament in 2022 should not be justification for getting an extension in 2024 when he got one in 2022 for that reason. I think we can look at his last 5 years here, which of course includes the A10 tournament, as a better indicator of his next 5 years of success more than looking at his results 10-15 years ago.It remains funny to read when the vt4700's and student17's bring up 22' NCAA as reason for extension. I've read on it here before. But correctly refuted by many. He already got that extension in 2022
That's not my point at all. We are not doing it because George Mason is doing it. We are doing it because that is the trend of what many athletic programs around the country do. It's to refute the notion that we are the only school who does this kind of thing, when its rather commonplace.also lmao about the commuter school Goo Moos comparison. overall it's like our moms used to say if your friend jumped off a bridge would you? At Richmond I guess it's yes.
They did not disclose specific terms of the contract, so I can't give a fully formed opinion on the matter, but extending through 2028-2029 was likely for recruiting purposes to show a coach being at a school throughout a player's tenure there. I would hope that it includes things like a lesser buy-out because I agree with you and others points that UR holds the chips so to speak and has the negotiating power to set the terms of the contracts.why did he need 5 years...makes zero sense. That's what he got. Why wasn't 3 years enough (that's what he had) when he was coming off a losing season followed by a NIT year when we didn't even end up on bubble and ended season on an absolute dud with 3 bad losses. He got REWARDED for that. student17 says we must rewartd that type of preformance
He did not get rewarded for ending the season with 3 bad losses, he got rewarded for winning A10 regular season and A10 COY. It was very disappointing to end that way, but shouldn't detract from the accomplishment.Why wasn't 3 years enough (that's what he had) when he was coming off a losing season followed by a NIT year when we didn't even end up on bubble and ended season on an absolute dud with 3 bad losses. He got REWARDED for that. student17 says we must rewartd that type of preformance.
Speaking of "marketing press", there are millions of people who have abandoned Twitter and migrated to other platforms, I'm in the process of doing so and am spending most of my social media time on Bluesky. So I sent an email to someone involved in communications in the athletic department suggesting that they post on Bluesky in addition to X. Crickets - no response. JOC got a similar email and said he'd look into it. The Orioles got a similar email and thanked me for supporting the O's and said they would look into it. Unfortunately I'm not surprised at the lack of response by our AD.
Just give it time Gkiller, we can get back to those times quickly I'm afraid. Will say, I was also getting private messages at one point specifically not to put up a billboard (like I said, I admit to contributing $5 to the cause but otherwise I know nothing ) because Mooney was on hot seat and these insiders were saying he was done. Then Gilly saved his bacon supposedly.The PETITION GUY threatened me for responding to it before he wiped it all away. The irony of the PETITION GUY for firing Mooney being upset at me, because of someone else entirely, saying something bad about Mooney. I miss those days!
They probably tried to, misspelled Bluesky, and since they couldn't find it they gave up.Speaking of "marketing press", there are millions of people who have abandoned Twitter and migrated to other platforms, I'm in the process of doing so and am spending most of my social media time on Bluesky. So I sent an email to someone involved in communications in the athletic department suggesting that they post on Bluesky in addition to X. Crickets - no response. JOC got a similar email and said he'd look into it. The Orioles got a similar email and thanked me for supporting the O's and said they would look into it. Unfortunately I'm not surprised at the lack of response by our AD.