I would argue Jabba belongs as well. At least we don't have to read what a great job Mooney did from certain POSTER.
VCU GAME
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Yep that was crazy victory laps they took over some anonymous billboard guys.
Sure glad that Jabba had the foresight to extend Mooney. Great call Bubba!
I feel for Nelson because I think he is a top quality player.
I feel for Nelson because I think he is a top quality player.
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We thought we would have Nick and Crabtree. Of course we would have been better with both of them healthy all year. But there's no excuse for playing like ass the way we did tonight.
Just saying this was a lot better “team” with Sherod on it. No excuse, just a GD fact.
I think Burton must work on left hand dribble very weak and also go straight up on block instead of slapping at ball. He needs to learn to beat dribbler to spot. everyone carries the ball on dribble ,even Goose not best class I think because not enough of the fire do I see
Thanks for stating the obvious.
He also might have made one of those 16 missed 3’s. But he’s not out there, so there’s no use debating hypotheticals.
We lost, again, to big brother 6 miles down the road. And until little brother decides he’s had enough he’s going to keep getting his face mushed in the dirt. You’d think pride would step in after all those beat downs, year after year. But alas, little brother is fine with getting pantsed on tv if it means he can still drive to the bank to cash his paycheck every week.
Just was able to watch the game and man, it just felt like nobody wanted to step up. Grant was atrocious, Tyler Burton was horrendous, and where was Gilyard the final 10 minutes? And where was Blake the first half?
Cayo looked like he was bringing it but getting him the ball seemed like it was not a priority. Bringing in Isaiah Wilson sure seemed to spark the offense, so what did Mooney do? Surely he didn’t bench him for the rest of the game. But he did. And what about Matt Grace, shooting well from 3 and nothing to get him an open shot which VCU would have given.
It just seems like at the beginning of the year a gameplan is made, and that gameplan is kept all year without any adjustment allowed. Sometimes we’ll try something (Wilson) for 3 minutes for one game, but even if it goes well Mooney will say nope back to the gameplan for the rest of the season.
The guy needs to go. We have to try something else here. It worked so well for the women’s team, so why not try it with the men’s?
Cayo looked like he was bringing it but getting him the ball seemed like it was not a priority. Bringing in Isaiah Wilson sure seemed to spark the offense, so what did Mooney do? Surely he didn’t bench him for the rest of the game. But he did. And what about Matt Grace, shooting well from 3 and nothing to get him an open shot which VCU would have given.
It just seems like at the beginning of the year a gameplan is made, and that gameplan is kept all year without any adjustment allowed. Sometimes we’ll try something (Wilson) for 3 minutes for one game, but even if it goes well Mooney will say nope back to the gameplan for the rest of the season.
The guy needs to go. We have to try something else here. It worked so well for the women’s team, so why not try it with the men’s?
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Hopeful that the roads are icy enough that my office decides to let everyone work from home today so I don't have to face the VCU fans 😑
That's the way to make the best of two negatives and find something positive!
My thoughts:
- Cayo had great energy and kept us in the game. Shot well from the free throw where he needs to since he gets there a lot. Golden might want to watch some film of him to see what to do in the post and how to have energy.
- Francis not around in the 1st half--seemed like he was trying to force shots and his scoring.
- Gustavson looked a little lost out there last night, didn't seem to really be smooth cog in the offense. Maybe he just needs more minutes to be more comfortable
- Grace is just a taking up space and giving Golden some rest minutes. He and Golden are basically both interchangeable as far as energy level and toughness. Meaning, none for both.
- Gilyard--not much to say really. He got his usual few steals and solid defensive efforts. Was a complete non factor offensively.
- Isaiah Wilson looked good for the few minutes he had. He may have missed a defensive assignment that led him back to the bench a la Mooney's typical short leash if you're not "one of his guys" yet.
- Mooney: another blah coaching performance. Didn't really do anything to help us win, probably didn't do some things that helped us lose. These types of games are where Mooney is really exposed. VCU, and teams that play energetic, high-tempo ball always cause his teams trouble. He;s a complete finesse coach, with a finesse playing style. It's always a calm, composed, defensively sound strategy, but can't rise to high pressure situations on a night in, night out basis. Always has been, always will be. The team forced so many turnovers for VCU, as they should against a young team like that, but those made no difference in our offensive output/scoring. When a team turns it over that much and we don't we should have a win almost every night. Embarrassing that it never felt like we were in the game. I don't know if you guys know this, but our offense starts with the point guard passing off to the big guy at the corner of the top of the key. Then he holds the ball up high and either passes it back to him or looks for a back door cut. How hard is it for any team to scout our offense? You can watch videos from 12 years ago and its exactly the same! At least coach changed the defense a few years ago--he might want to look at the offense too.
- Golden: left him for last on purpose. It's amazing that he seems to be getting worse every game, every year. He peaked his sophomore year in my opinion and has been regressing ever since. For his size (6'10"; 250lbs) and the way he could shoot outside and pass the ball, he should be dominating games. Instead he plays like a frightened kitten in the paint, letting anyone and everyone push him around. He's just not tough and he just doesn't seem to want it more than the other guy. Maybe I'm missing the boat on this one and others see something I don't, but he should be leading this team and he's just a guy out there. And since he picks up several fouls a game trying to avoid picking up fouls--might as well let the guy know when he goes up that he's going to get obliterated coming into his lane. (This goes for Grace too). That way at least the guy will think twice about coming in there next time.
I don't know what the solution is for the team this year to get into the tournament, I know that the COVID pauses haven't helped--but every team in the nation is dealing with this. And if we have more than some other programs, than I blame the coaches. admin and players for not being safer and taking more stringent steps to separate the team from the general student population. Whatever needs to happen for the rest of the reg season, besides winning, I'm not sure. But it looks as though the tournament is not happening this year (again).
- Cayo had great energy and kept us in the game. Shot well from the free throw where he needs to since he gets there a lot. Golden might want to watch some film of him to see what to do in the post and how to have energy.
- Francis not around in the 1st half--seemed like he was trying to force shots and his scoring.
- Gustavson looked a little lost out there last night, didn't seem to really be smooth cog in the offense. Maybe he just needs more minutes to be more comfortable
- Grace is just a taking up space and giving Golden some rest minutes. He and Golden are basically both interchangeable as far as energy level and toughness. Meaning, none for both.
- Gilyard--not much to say really. He got his usual few steals and solid defensive efforts. Was a complete non factor offensively.
- Isaiah Wilson looked good for the few minutes he had. He may have missed a defensive assignment that led him back to the bench a la Mooney's typical short leash if you're not "one of his guys" yet.
- Mooney: another blah coaching performance. Didn't really do anything to help us win, probably didn't do some things that helped us lose. These types of games are where Mooney is really exposed. VCU, and teams that play energetic, high-tempo ball always cause his teams trouble. He;s a complete finesse coach, with a finesse playing style. It's always a calm, composed, defensively sound strategy, but can't rise to high pressure situations on a night in, night out basis. Always has been, always will be. The team forced so many turnovers for VCU, as they should against a young team like that, but those made no difference in our offensive output/scoring. When a team turns it over that much and we don't we should have a win almost every night. Embarrassing that it never felt like we were in the game. I don't know if you guys know this, but our offense starts with the point guard passing off to the big guy at the corner of the top of the key. Then he holds the ball up high and either passes it back to him or looks for a back door cut. How hard is it for any team to scout our offense? You can watch videos from 12 years ago and its exactly the same! At least coach changed the defense a few years ago--he might want to look at the offense too.
- Golden: left him for last on purpose. It's amazing that he seems to be getting worse every game, every year. He peaked his sophomore year in my opinion and has been regressing ever since. For his size (6'10"; 250lbs) and the way he could shoot outside and pass the ball, he should be dominating games. Instead he plays like a frightened kitten in the paint, letting anyone and everyone push him around. He's just not tough and he just doesn't seem to want it more than the other guy. Maybe I'm missing the boat on this one and others see something I don't, but he should be leading this team and he's just a guy out there. And since he picks up several fouls a game trying to avoid picking up fouls--might as well let the guy know when he goes up that he's going to get obliterated coming into his lane. (This goes for Grace too). That way at least the guy will think twice about coming in there next time.
I don't know what the solution is for the team this year to get into the tournament, I know that the COVID pauses haven't helped--but every team in the nation is dealing with this. And if we have more than some other programs, than I blame the coaches. admin and players for not being safer and taking more stringent steps to separate the team from the general student population. Whatever needs to happen for the rest of the reg season, besides winning, I'm not sure. But it looks as though the tournament is not happening this year (again).
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Bones and Baldwin, two smaller guards nearly outrebounded our entire starting 5 by themselves. Still trying to wrap my head around that one. I'm ready to see Grant go honestly. Let's get somebody in there that plays with fire and attacks the boards every night. Maybe Weir was going to be that guy hopefully his replacement will be instead.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Not that our eyes didn't tell us this, but here's what the play by play shows:
After Francis got the steal and and-one to put us up 44-41 with 11:24 to go, Hasson Ward missed a layup at 11:07, but rebounded his miss and made a layup at 11:04. VCU did NOT MISS A SHOT FROM THE FIELD until Ward missed a meaningless bunny with :21 left. They went 10-10 in that span, with only two of those being called "jumpers". The rest were layups or dunks.
In that same time, Richmond went 2-19, and 0-9 from three.
Awful in every sense of the word.
After Francis got the steal and and-one to put us up 44-41 with 11:24 to go, Hasson Ward missed a layup at 11:07, but rebounded his miss and made a layup at 11:04. VCU did NOT MISS A SHOT FROM THE FIELD until Ward missed a meaningless bunny with :21 left. They went 10-10 in that span, with only two of those being called "jumpers". The rest were layups or dunks.
In that same time, Richmond went 2-19, and 0-9 from three.
Awful in every sense of the word.
I just remember a conversation my buddy and I had when Mooney was hired. He said "I hate the Princeton offense, and now we will only be recruiting players that want to play in this system". Yeah, agreed, why else would you 7' center be playing on the outside? Where is the Peter Woolfolk hardass type when you need him? SISSY ASS FINESSE BASKETBALL.
I'm not sure what happened to Grant either, but that might have been his worst game as a Spider. Missed in every possible way from within two feet, sometimes on shots that it appeared he would have had to try hard to miss. I'll never understand why he doesn't throw his body around a little, but he doesn't and it's costing us.
I watched the game with my girlfriend who actively dislikes sports and knows little to nothing about them.
Her first reaction while watching was that Golden was lazy. She watched him every play and kept asking why he just stands there and if he has a disability that makes it so he can’t jump. She also remarked how much taller he was than everyone else and asked “how can he be so bad when he’s so much taller”.
Her next point was that we looked very ugly (sloppy) for most of the game and that we looked like a bunch of teenagers playing at a gym. I honestly can’t say I disagree with her.
But she also said she thinks the players are at fault and the coach (who she does not know the name of) is probably pretty good. So had to take what she said with a grain of salt lol
Her first reaction while watching was that Golden was lazy. She watched him every play and kept asking why he just stands there and if he has a disability that makes it so he can’t jump. She also remarked how much taller he was than everyone else and asked “how can he be so bad when he’s so much taller”.
Her next point was that we looked very ugly (sloppy) for most of the game and that we looked like a bunch of teenagers playing at a gym. I honestly can’t say I disagree with her.
But she also said she thinks the players are at fault and the coach (who she does not know the name of) is probably pretty good. So had to take what she said with a grain of salt lol
The obvious answer is DUNK THE BALL! And that goes for Cayo too. He has a great first step and strong move to the basket. He can play well above the rim. Yet how many time have we seen him make a great move to the basket only to try and kiss the ball off the glass and have it not go in?
I saw lots of energy and toughness last night.........unfortunately from VCU (as always). I was not the least bit surprised that Richmond lost; sadly, I was kind of expecting it. Were any of you really surprised that we lost?
Careful she probably finds him handsome.
And believe me don't dismiss that his looks have let him hang around here longer than someone else either. The casual female side of our fanbase likes him. Wonder why. That might get me in trouble w a few people on here but it's true.
ply, you're girlfriend has a lot to say during a big Spider game. you're a better man than me.
Since i'm working from home today, i just asked my wife if she finds Mooney to be handsome. She said she did not. Candidly, i was really hoping she would say he was because it would give some more legs to the theory, which i like quite a bit.
Why do I get the feeling that Coach Fezz knows a lot more about basketball then the guy making $1.2 million????
Lot of factors play roles & obv there r much bigger ones just saying when it comes to the pr angle from the U of R we all know its no stretch. Looks help u get hired in all professions we know that, can help u keep job too. I do believe overall the U of R blue hairs and their daughters "the facebookers" like the emasculated Mooney w no rough edges.
Honestly I don't know my wife's own opinion on the Moon man. I know she likes Browns coach Kevin Stefanski and he was wearing a damn mask! She also liked Scott Ungerer back in the day. I might be in trouble lol.
Asked my girlfriend who is a huge hoos fan and has way too many pictures of Tony Bennett lying around about Mooney and his attractiveness. She laughed.
I watch a lot of Joel Embiid, and he has the finesse big man's game like Grant. He can hit fadeaways and hit touch shots, take his guy off the dribble, just like Grant. However, where he differs from Grant is he also uses every bit of his huge body to actively contest shots and bully others around the basket anytime he wants to. He literally just dribbles into guy and they literally have no choice but to foul him. He also hurts someone every single game, not malicious at all, just using his bigger, stronger body to its fullest advantage. Grant's skill set is very similar but he simply refuses to use his body its fullest advantage.
It does you no good to be 6-10 250, if you play like a guy who is 6'8 200
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
he plays much smaller than that, he got beaten and out-positioned by 6 footers all night long!
you guys are brutal. he's a really good basketball player with great size but some athletic limitations. he's not Joel Embid, and he's not quick like a 6 footer.
Grant was at his best when he had more of an edge to him. he played with his heart on his sleeve. maybe he "matured" like some here wanted. people wanted him to tone it down. maybe it's similar to how Mooney was likely asked to tone it down. maybe they lost something in the process.
Grant was at his best when he had more of an edge to him. he played with his heart on his sleeve. maybe he "matured" like some here wanted. people wanted him to tone it down. maybe it's similar to how Mooney was likely asked to tone it down. maybe they lost something in the process.
Grant had a game earlier this year where he had only 1 rebound. How can you be his size and have only 1 rebound? That stat line tells you everything you need to know about him.
I believe it was 2, but that's besides the point.
no, I don't agree the stat line from any one game tells you everything you need to know. he'll finish with 1800 points, 800 rebounds and 400 assists.
that's rarified air whether he meets your expectations or not.
no, I don't agree the stat line from any one game tells you everything you need to know. he'll finish with 1800 points, 800 rebounds and 400 assists.
that's rarified air whether he meets your expectations or not.
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