UR to the Big East
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I think you're just trying to replace the Ulla thread that mysteriously disappeared.
we would need to relax our recruiting standards or be the constant whipping boy of the conference.
Lower than Depaul? No way. IMHO, our Athletic Director can handle it. Most of those schools are peers of our little University.
I think we should try for the Pac-12 instead, personally. Hotter cheerleaders.
I think we should stop with the BE talk. Let’s try to dominate our own league first.
What is an Ulla? Please explain the significance of being equated to an Ulla.
Apparently, it is a female/ biblical name.
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With UCONN joining and the league breaking the mold of smallish private schools, UR is now way down the list IMO. Adding UCONN means they would take any type school and that opens the door to so many programs more well known than UR. I think it would be great but it will never happen.
EL you make a valid point, but unless we agree to accept NCAA qualifiers I don't think we will ever be on the radar of the BE. The BE schools have agreed to accept the national notarity of college basketball at the expense of letting in a few students well below their standard admissions. UR does not seem willing to even discuss that.
Yep, like I said, I don't think we are even on their list at all. I was just saying that the idea that they're now open for business for any program is premature, IMO. I think if they expand again, they'll probably look for another private school that fits their mold and if they accept another public school, it will be one that is very well vetted first. I don't think they're taking a school like Wichita State, for example.
We had our shot coming off the back to back NCAA appearances and the Big East moving to non-football schools. Since then - we have been terrible and are not even on the radar. With UCONN coming back - all doors are open, which as stated above - would means schools like VCU or Dayton would be above us from an A10 standpoint.
Just curious, what are the minimum NCAA eligibility standards and how is UR different?
Our admissions office has denied admission to recruits that have otherwise committed to Richmond, and these players go on to play at other schools. They are denied by our admissions office because they do not meet our standards, but they are easily accepted by other schools since they meet the NCAA minimums which are lower.
AD Vassallo (2nd team all ACC player, 5th all time in scoring at Virginia Tech)
JJ Avila (MW player of the year, Patriot League ROY)
Malcolm Bernard (starter on Xavier's 2017 elite 8 team)
Marquis Godwin
...and potentially many other we haven't heard about.
to be a full qualifier you need a 2.3 high school GPA in core courses and a 900 SAT.
but there's a sliding scale. if you only get an 820, you need a 2.5
if you're below a 2.3 but above 2.0, you can still be a partial qualifier (practice only).
we (like the Patriot League and the Ivy League and other individual schools) have our own higher standard because we don't have cushy majors just for athletes so these kids need to contribute in class and pass tests. our threshold is well below the regular student minimums though.
the PL and Ivies have actual formulas that each school in the league follows. they have to meet an average on an academic index. so Harvard will reach for a stud player with lower scores (still not very low though) but will need to offset that with a 1550 and 4.4 kid on their roster (a recruit is referred to as an "academic index booster"). our league doesn't have an index. we self impose.
but there's a sliding scale. if you only get an 820, you need a 2.5
if you're below a 2.3 but above 2.0, you can still be a partial qualifier (practice only).
we (like the Patriot League and the Ivy League and other individual schools) have our own higher standard because we don't have cushy majors just for athletes so these kids need to contribute in class and pass tests. our threshold is well below the regular student minimums though.
the PL and Ivies have actual formulas that each school in the league follows. they have to meet an average on an academic index. so Harvard will reach for a stud player with lower scores (still not very low though) but will need to offset that with a 1550 and 4.4 kid on their roster (a recruit is referred to as an "academic index booster"). our league doesn't have an index. we self impose.
Minimum standards for D1 are as basically as follows.
1) Must complete 16 core courses in High School - this is broken down into 4 years of English, 3 years of Math (Algebra 1 or higher), 2 years of science, 2 years of social science, 4 others which could include classes from above groupings or religion/philospohy or foreign language, and then 1 additional math, science, or english course.
2) GPA and Test score sliding scale. Basically the higher your GPA the lower the test score you need and vice versa. But basically if you have a GPA of 3.5 or above, you can get 400 on the SAT's and be eligible. If your GPA is 2.3 - then your SAT must be 980.
Put that in perspective with UR and published ranking data - GPA's of regular students admitted to UR are between 3.5 and 4.0 with test scores of SAT 1300-1500.
Years ago as we entered the A10 - I heard 1000 SAT score was the standard, with very few exceptions to kids below 1000 in terms of athletes. Then I have heard each sport has a limited number of waivers they can use for kids that fall below 1000 mark. But I assume they can't fall significantly. No way UR takes a kid who got 500 on their SAT - no matter what sport it is. I would be willing to guess the lowest UR would go is 900 SAT on a kid. And those would have to be special circumstances. But just a guess on my part - no knowledge of that 900 number.
But as has been pointed out - we have denied admissions to kids, who were admitted elsewhere. But I think the biggest concern is how many kids do we potentially not even recruit because we no there is no chance of getting them in. That is the unknown and probably larger number in the equation.
Surprising u aren’t familiar with UR well at all. What is your connection to UR?
Serious questions: What are the negatives with respect to accepting "NCAA Qualifiers" if it does not harm your national academic reputation? Has it harmed the reputation of Georgetown? Villanova?
Many stellar athletes in my high school and in schools we competed against who would be viewed as "NCAA Qualifiers" were pretty smart and most were of good character. For many, the only difference from those that could have gained admission to UR was that they did not have the interest or focus or study habits required. Those deficiencies are correctable. Were I in charge, I think that I would be inclined to admit NCAA Qualifiers provided I could ascertain that they were of good moral character and were willing to accept the demands and rigors attendant to academic study required at the collegiate level.
That is not to say that I would endorse the admission of anyone who would not be likely to succeed academically or who might cause scandal or disruption. As Shakespeare said, it's often better to dismount from one's high horse and climb onto his mule when doing so inures to the success of the basketball team. (Shamlett, Act 6, Scene 4)
Many stellar athletes in my high school and in schools we competed against who would be viewed as "NCAA Qualifiers" were pretty smart and most were of good character. For many, the only difference from those that could have gained admission to UR was that they did not have the interest or focus or study habits required. Those deficiencies are correctable. Were I in charge, I think that I would be inclined to admit NCAA Qualifiers provided I could ascertain that they were of good moral character and were willing to accept the demands and rigors attendant to academic study required at the collegiate level.
That is not to say that I would endorse the admission of anyone who would not be likely to succeed academically or who might cause scandal or disruption. As Shakespeare said, it's often better to dismount from one's high horse and climb onto his mule when doing so inures to the success of the basketball team. (Shamlett, Act 6, Scene 4)
Hmm, that's odd, I remember his famous quote: To shoot the 3 , On Not to shoot the 3; that is the question.
Stop with the big east talk, we can't even finish in the first four of the A10. It doesn't matter how many at large bids they get, we'll never get one. So the only way we could get to the NCAAs would be to win the league championship...good luck with that.
Curious, are you on the selection committee SR? Our OOC schedule is getting better with the teams we have beating getting good wins!
I don’t agree with your last point, but I do agree that we are getting way ahead of ourselves talking about joining the Big East. What is the incentive for the Big East? Are we a sports powerhouse? No. Are we a large school that brings ratings and fans who fill stadiums and travel in large numbers? No. If anything, given their size and lack of football team, VCU would be more attractive than us.
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