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The Russian Army: 2nd best

Gallipoli

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As to the Russian army, I used to think it was the 2nd best in the world...as it turns out ,it's just the 2nd best in Ukraine.
 
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I would take Poland over Russia on a neutral field.
At this point, I would say the Poles can crush the Russians, that is if Biden would ever cut them loose. Given the abject subjugation the Poles suffered under Russians, the Poles would be very motivated to kill Russians.
 
Well aware this is the off-topic posting area- but also aware that this site is primarily a
sports centric site, I’m a little in easy with a Poland vs Russian war game.
Are we going to be posting odds?
 
Agree. Russian army appears to be a paper tiger. Can't take care of the basics:

Given size and capability of their air force, they should have been able to control the sky from Day 1......unbelievably, not yet,​
Logistical support for their offensive thrusts woeful at best, disastrous at worst,​
Insecure communications a major factor leading to the deaths of several generals and thwarting many of their offensive maneuvers. Often using open cell phones to communicate. Unbelievable.​
Shocking level of ineptitude. Basic fighting fundamentals that one would think should have been nailed down before kicking off an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.

Don't like war, but enjoying seeing their asses being kicked while heartbreaking to see innocent civilians being indiscriminately killed. Putin should be tried for war crimes.
 
Agree. Russian army appears to be a paper tiger. Can't take care of the basics:

Given size and capability of their air force, they should have been able to control the sky from Day 1......unbelievably, not yet,​
Logistical support for their offensive thrusts woeful at best, disastrous at worst,​
Insecure communications a major factor leading to the deaths of several generals and thwarting many of their offensive maneuvers. Often using open cell phones to communicate. Unbelievable.​
Shocking level of ineptitude. Basic fighting fundamentals that one would think should have been nailed down before kicking off an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.

Don't like war, but enjoying seeing their asses being kicked while heartbreaking to see innocent civilians being indiscriminately killed. Putin should be tried for war crimes.
I don’t know how much is propaganda, but if some of the Russians thought they were just going on a military training assignment, and didn’t even know they would have to kill or be killed, it’s truly a very sad thing that so many
deaths are to be totally blamed on a sick dictator.
 
Well aware this is the off-topic posting area- but also aware that this site is primarily a
sports centric site, I’m a little in easy with a Poland vs Russian war game.
Are we going to be posting odds?
Here you go:
100% probability that Polish troops are in Ukraine
100% probability that Poles have killed Russians.
100% probability that the Polish army would defeat the Russians.
 
After reviewing the Russians' advanced weapons, analysts found that the Russians are once again second best in Ukraine.

"Investigators said they were shocked by Russia’s apparent indifference to having so many weapons that an adversary could potentially reverse-engineer.

"This is late 1990s or a mid-2000s level of technology at best,” Arsenio Menendez, a NASA contractor who reverse-engineers guided weapon components as a hobby, said after examining photos of Russian military electronics taken by the researchers. “It’s basically the equivalent of an Xbox 360 video game console, and it looks like it’s open to anyone who wants to take it apart and build their own copy of it....

The Russian navigation system resembles the open-source architecture of GPS receivers, which is not subject to federal restrictions regarding the sale and export of defense articles, he said.

“A team of college electrical engineering majors could build this,”

 
Outgunned and outmanned, the Ukrainians have been able to penetrate more than 30 miles into Russian held territory outside east of Kharkiv. This proves that it is not the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog.
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"Ukrainian troops have advanced 50 kilometers (31 miles) into previously Russian-occupied territory near Kharkiv, according to a briefing from Brigadier General Oleksiy Gromov, a representative of Ukraine's general staff.

Gromov claimed Ukrainian forces have recaptured "700 square km (435 square miles)" since their attack on the Kharkiv front, in northern Ukraine, began earlier this week. He added that "more than 20 settlements have been liberated" as a result of the operation.

If confirmed, it would be a major victory for the Ukrainian military, which is currently making advances against occupying Russian troops on a number of fronts."

 
This guy aggregates open source data. For example, Russian milbloggers have said the Ukrainians are already in Kupiansk. The Russian administrators have fled.

I don't know, but 60 miles through a gap in the lines sounds like a breakthrough.

"Note that this is a very conservative estimate of the advance so far. I have a list of 20+ other settlements in this area awaiting confirmation.

With so many claims I would rather be cautious, I'm sure we will get clarification in the coming days."

 
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This was posted by a Russian milblogger on his Telegram blog. If you click on it hit translate, if you use Google.

"the Armed Forces of Ukraine have completely outplayed the command at the moment, I will not say which district in operational art. Let those who should deal with this, I'm not going to give my assessments, let alone pour water on the enemy's mill. Izum prepares for battle. We wish good luck to our soldiers, veterans, ordinary soldiers and officers. The enemy is preparing a strike not only from the north, but also from the south. In the area of n / a Valley, reserves are accumulating, the enemy is deploying tanks in attacking formations..."

 
This confirms the breakthrough. The Russkies have finally admitted that the Ukrainians have made substantial gains. The Russians fell for the head fake...

"Ukrainian officials say Russia moved thousands of troops south to respond to the Kherson advance, leaving other parts of the front line exposed and creating the opportunity for the lightning assault.

"We found a weak spot where the enemy wasn't ready," presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych said in a video posted on YouTube."


 
This guy, Grigor, sounds depressed. He is right. The Russians have 2 days to retreat or they will be annihilated. Again, you have to translate.

 
This is an English translation of a Russian milblogger. He espouses the doctrine of Russian war that attacks on hospitals and the wounded are fair game.

"Today, the RF Armed Forces are inflicting massive strikes on Kharkov , withdrawing congestion sites and basing areas of various formations one after another. For a long time the regional center has not been bombed so powerfully.

And yes, they also covered the hospital, where many wounded of the Armed Forces of Ukraine accumulated, rushing to Balakliya , Izyum and Kupyansk . The hit is extremely effective.

Once again, we want to express a timid hope: we hope that a fundamental decision has been made to stop playing war and engage in the complete destruction of the enemy without moral and spiritual anguish."

Старше Эдды
 
This is from the same milblogger, Grogor/ Strelkov.... Ugledar in Ukraine, is right at the elbow of Russian control of the land bridge between Crimea and Russia. It is about 200 miles north of Mariupol. If the Ukrainians can attack there, they can sever Russian lines in half and completely isolate the Western theater from Russia.

"There is a growing wave of reports about the concentration of enemy forces in the Ugledar direction. (They come to me too, I take not only from the Internet)...

In our country, as far as I know (firsthand) - in this area the picture is not much different from the one that took place in the Balakleya [this the the Khatkiv counter attack] region a week ago. I can’t give details, who needs it - I informed.

From the enemy's point of view, a strike in this direction is quite logical - until the command of the RF Armed Forces managed to withdraw reserves there from the abandoned Kharkov region. And it promises excellent prospects - with a breakthrough to the coast of the Sea of Azov and directly to Volnovakha and Mariupol."

 
This is interesting- it appears that Russian troops are abandoning positions and trying to surrender outside of Kherson...

"Satellite imagery of known Russian positions in Kyselivka, 15km northwest of Kherson City, shows that all but four Russian vehicles have departed from previous forward positions, consistent with rumors that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) troops have abandoned Kyselivka and moved back towards the Dnipro River....this compromises the Russians’ ability to defend the northwestern outskirts of Kherson."

"Russian forces located along the right bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast are attempting to negotiate for surrender under the auspices of international law."

 
The same guy is now calling for self-mobilization of the population by localities to "recruit" soldiers into Russia's armed forces. In the US, it would be like the city of Harrisonburg passing an ordinance requiring local residents to join the army. Then he proposes that Chechens handle the round-up... The problem is Putin listens to this guy.

"That is - start catching the "chosen thousand" on the streets of their settlements, "mobilize" them with their own local legal acts...

" I propose that all "self-mobilization" in all Russian regions be entrusted to the initiator himself - General Kadyrov (since he has the tools for such "roundups" not provided for by law)"

 
The US is heavily considering providing tanks to the Ukrainians.



To support tanks, they will need training, maintenance support, and spare parts. In addition, they will need air cover. We need to provide the Ukrainians with F16s and A10s. The US has a couple of thousand of F16s lying around.

"The US Air Force currently retains close to 1,200 F-16s in active service - slightly more than half of their total inventory. Most of the inactive aircraft were either lost due to attrition (more than 400 airframes), or where placed in storage in the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB (more than 300 airframes)....Quite unique for the USAF is the heavy use of retired F-16s as ground instruction aircraft (77 aircraft)."

 
It appears the Russians are planning another attack on Kyiv, they are not just in Belarus accidentally....

"Russian soldiers are entering Belarus by the trainload. They’re traveling in cattle cars - just a huge quantity. Just waves of trains arriving.”

 
Here is an update on the supply of Abrams tanks to Ukraine. According to Russian social media Abrams tanks are probably en route to Bulgaria so Ukrainians can be trained.

"And today, our subscribers filmed a column with M1A1 Abrams tanks along the Stara Zagora - Nova Zagora highway . The proximity of settlements to the Novo Selo training ground indicates the likely transfer of equipment to the training base.

"There is another interesting detail: at the head of a column of almost 30 armored vehicles was a bus with Ukrainian numbers from Odessa , owned by the travel company Vilkovo Pelikan Tour. Probably, it was either rented or simply "taken" for the transportation of Ukrainian military personnel.

So far , it is impossible to reliably state that the Abrams that fell into the frame are clearly intended for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and did not end up in Bulgaria in preparation for the next US and NATO exercises.

However, against the background of the expansion of the range of Western military supplies to Kiev , there is a good chance that Ukrainian crews will be trained on these tanks. In this case, their appearance on the front line somewhere near Nikolaev is a matter of several months."

 
Here is an update about the defensive preparations the Russians are preparing outside of Svatov in Luhanks. These defenses are reminiscent of classic WW2 Soviet tactics.

 
It looks to me like Belarus is getting awfully close to joining Russia.

Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Belarus Viktor Tumar:

“In order to ensure parity in the field of military security and maintain peace in the Republic of Belarus, a decision was made to create a Regional Group of Forces on our territory.

It will be based on the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus in peacetime, as well as individual military formations of the Russian Federation.

The regional grouping of troops (forces) of the Union State is an exclusively defensive project.

Literally in the coming days, troops of the Russian component of the Regional grouping of troops (forces) will begin to arrive on the territory of the Republic of Belarus.

Planned combat training activities will be carried out with them, aimed at increasing the level of fulfillment of tasks to protect the Union State."
 
The Ukrainians are closing in on Kherson City. The Russians have finally acknowledged they are losing Kherson. Kherson is the only state capital to have fallen. Its capture would afford the Ukrainians the ability to interdict supplies from Crimea. The Ukrainians have a media blackout for operational security. The Russians are spilling their guts openly. Here is the newly appointed operational general talking about the situation.

"Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the recently appointed commander of Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine, told state television on Tuesday that the situation in Kherson “is not at all easy right now” and that “difficult decisions cannot be ruled out.” The comments were Gen. Surovikin’s first since he was appointed earlier this month to lead the Russian assault on Ukraine, and a rare pessimistic assessment of the war from a senior Russian leader."

 
The rats are leaving the ship...

These quotes are all from the same article:

"The Black Sea port city of Kherson is one of the most important prizes in Ukraine’s ongoing fight to reclaim territory occupied by Russia. The city is the only regional capital Russia has captured in its full-scale invasion that began in February and forms part of a region the Russian government claimed to absorb into its own territory in September."...

"A Ukrainian woman in central Kherson said newly mobilized Russian soldiers were walking around the city and that institutions opened by Russian authorities were closing down.

“The banks they opened are closing. The pension office closed. They are transferring their workers and volunteers to the left bank of the Dnipro,” said the woman."

The Russians are forcibly removing 60,000 Ukrainians from Kherson and all local administrative personnel.
 
This could happen only in Russia...

A recently mobilized guy, wanted a wife and posted an online proposal for on a Russian site VKontakte. He offered benefits and a pension, if he is killed in combat. He took the first female among many. She was quite a woman- a widow and a mother of a large brood of children.

 
A Ukrainian soccer team beat the crap out of a Russian soccer team in a hotel in Turkey. After the fight, the Russians started fighting amongst themselves. This is a harbinger of things to come.

 
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Watch out Russia, the Poles are coming for you. Ukraine is forming a volunteer special forces unit of Poles to undertake search and destroy and sabotage missions behind enemy lines.

"[T]he formation of the first Polish special unit subordinate to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine was announced. Poles will perform reconnaissance and diversionary tasks. The elite unit will receive the most experienced soldiers, including volunteers fighting against Russia. ...

"The organized unit will not be a typical front unit, like those in the international legion, but will deal with reconnaissance and diversion....

"Polish members of the unit are planning to create a recruitment center in Poland....

"A number of volunteers are already preparing for combat operations. Some of them have participated in some reconnaissance and sabotage activities during the current war. "

 
This guy was shot by a team of executioners. Just before he was shot he proclaimed "Glory to Ukraine." Before they shot him, the Russians filmed it. This fighting spirit cannot be under estimated. An entire country is willing to give their lives.

 
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