The A10 power void

[fan2011]

After losing great senior classes and their coaches, VCU and Dayton took a huge step back this past season, both finishing in the bottom half of the conference after being at the top for years. Hurley is about to sign with UConn and URI is losing most of their team to graduation, which is very similar to the Dayton and VCU scenarios this past season. The Bonnies and Davidson are losing a ton of seniors as well (including their best players), but are likely to retain their coaches. The point is, there is not a clear cut favorite for the top of the A10 next year. The recently successful programs like the Bonnies, Davidson, URI, VCU and Dayton are likely to take a step back. It will be interesting to see who steps up and fills the power void.

 

[Ulla1]

After losing great senior classes and their coaches, VCU and Dayton took a huge step back this past season, both finishing in the bottom half of the conference after being at the top for years. Hurley is about to sign with UConn and URI is losing most of their team to graduation, which is very similar to the Dayton and VCU scenarios this past season. The Bonnies and Davidson are losing a ton of seniors as well (including their best players), but are likely to retain their coaches. The point is, there is not a clear cut favorite for the top of the A10 next year. The recently successful programs like the Bonnies, Davidson, URI, VCU and Dayton are likely to take a step back. It will be interesting to see who steps up and fills the power void.

We ready!

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

After losing great senior classes and their coaches, VCU and Dayton took a huge step back this past season, both finishing in the bottom half of the conference after being at the top for years. Hurley is about to sign with UConn and URI is losing most of their team to graduation, which is very similar to the Dayton and VCU scenarios this past season. The Bonnies and Davidson are losing a ton of seniors as well (including their best players), but are likely to retain their coaches. The point is, there is not a clear cut favorite for the top of the A10 next year. The recently successful programs like the Bonnies, Davidson, URI, VCU and Dayton are likely to take a step back. It will be interesting to see who steps up and fills the power void.

VCU didn't finish in the "bottom half of the conference." They were tied for 5th, just like us. In the Atlantic 10 official standings, they were 5th based on overall record.
The tourney tiebreakers for seeds do not apply to the regular season.

But yes, it should be another middling year for the A10.

 

[Ulla1]

VCU didn't finish in the "bottom half of the conference." They were tied for 5th, just like us. In the Atlantic 10 official standings, they were 5th based on overall record.
The tourney tiebreakers for seeds do not apply to the regular season.

But yes, it should be another middling year for the A10.

“But yes”, we ready!

 

[fan2011]

VCU didn't finish in the "bottom half of the conference." They were tied for 5th, just like us. In the Atlantic 10 official standings, they were 5th based on overall record.
The tourney tiebreakers for seeds do not apply to the regular season.

But yes, it should be another middling year for the A10.

They were the 9th seed in the A10 tournament, bottom half.

Edit: 8th seed, still bottom half.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

They were the 9th seed in the A10 tournament, bottom half.

Edit: 8th seed, still bottom half.

Official Atlantic 10 Year-End Standings

Rhode Island 15-3 .833 26-8 .765
St. Bonaventure 14-4 .778 26-8 .765
Davidson 13-5 .722 21-12 .636
Saint Joseph's 10-8 .556 16-16 .500
VCU 9-9 .500 18-15 .545
Saint Louis 9-9 .500 17-16 .515
George Mason 9-9 .500 16-17 .485
Richmond 9-9 .500 12-20 .375
Dayton 8-10 .444 14-17 .452
Duquesne 7-11 .389 16-16 .500
George Washington 7-11 .389 15-18 .455
La Salle 7-11 .389 13-19 .406
Massachusetts 5-13 .278 13-20 .394
Fordham 4-14 .222 9-22 .290

Hey, look who is in the bottom half.

 

[fan2011]

Official Atlantic 10 Year-End Standings

Rhode Island 15-3 .833 26-8 .765
St. Bonaventure 14-4 .778 26-8 .765
Davidson 13-5 .722 21-12 .636
Saint Joseph's 10-8 .556 16-16 .500
VCU 9-9 .500 18-15 .545
Saint Louis 9-9 .500 17-16 .515
George Mason 9-9 .500 16-17 .485
Richmond 9-9 .500 12-20 .375
Dayton 8-10 .444 14-17 .452
Duquesne 7-11 .389 16-16 .500
George Washington 7-11 .389 15-18 .455
La Salle 7-11 .389 13-19 .406
Massachusetts 5-13 .278 13-20 .394
Fordham 4-14 .222 9-22 .290

Hey, look who is in the bottom half.

Not sure why I am arguing with you about this, but the A10 has a series of tie breakers to determine standings for tied A10 records and none of them involve the overall record of the team. The only official standings that exists in the A10 are the seeds given out for the A10 tournament, and by getting the 8th seed VCU finished in the bottom half of the conference. Not sure where you got the idea that official standings consider overall record, they don't and never have.

 

[plydogg]

Official Atlantic 10 Year-End Standings

Rhode Island 15-3 .833 26-8 .765
St. Bonaventure 14-4 .778 26-8 .765
Davidson 13-5 .722 21-12 .636
Saint Joseph's 10-8 .556 16-16 .500
VCU 9-9 .500 18-15 .545
Saint Louis 9-9 .500 17-16 .515
George Mason 9-9 .500 16-17 .485
Richmond 9-9 .500 12-20 .375
Dayton 8-10 .444 14-17 .452
Duquesne 7-11 .389 16-16 .500
George Washington 7-11 .389 15-18 .455
La Salle 7-11 .389 13-19 .406
Massachusetts 5-13 .278 13-20 .394
Fordham 4-14 .222 9-22 .290

Hey, look who is in the bottom half.

These are indeed not the year end standings. There are tiebreakers used and this simply sorts every tied team in conference by overall record which is not how it works in conference. That's why we weren't seeded in that spot in the tournament.

 

[SFspidur]

This is a dumb fight. We all tied for 5th...tiebreakers are for tournament seeding purposes only, not for standings.

 

[fatherspider]

I dont think we have to worry too much about VCU not getting back rather quickly. Their fanbase, nor their admin will tolerate mediocrity for long. They will take the appropriate measures to get the program back on track sooner rather than later.

 

[plydogg]

I dont think we have to worry too much about VCU not getting back rather quickly. Their fanbase, nor their admin will tolerate mediocrity for long. They will take the appropriate measures to get the program back on track sooner rather than later.

I wonder how their fanbase felt about watching a transfer be a key player in upsetting UVA.

 

[spider23]

I can tell you, we thought it was trash.

 

[spiderman]

I dont think we have to worry too much about VCU not getting back rather quickly. Their fanbase, nor their admin will tolerate mediocrity for long. They will take the appropriate measures to get the program back on track sooner rather than later.

not sure what VCU admin has done to earn this praise. they've typically hired well after losing good coaches. not sure about the latest. TBD.
what have they done to not tolerate mediocrity?

 

[fan2011]

not sure what VCU admin has done to earn this praise. they've typically hired well after losing good coaches. not sure about the latest. TBD.
what have they done to not tolerate mediocrity?

Very true, I don't think VCU has ever fired a coach. They have done a good job in recent years of pouring money into the program and making good hires, but they haven't ever actually fired anyone for mediocrity. It will be interesting to see if they end up firing Rhodes if VCU gets stuck in the middle of the A10 with no post-season for the next 3 or 4 years.

 

[fatherspider]

I wonder how their fanbase felt about watching a transfer be a key player in upsetting UVA.

They lost their coach because he got a better job because he had so much success. That is a hopeful scenerio at midmajors and one that is tough to avoid.

 

[fatherspider]

not sure what VCU admin has done to earn this praise. they've typically hired well after losing good coaches. not sure about the latest. TBD.
what have they done to not tolerate mediocrity?

They havent had to. They have had great success for a decent stretch now. Since the FF year and the consistent bids, no way this fanbase stands for bad play for long and the admin wont either since bb is pretty much is the identity of the school to most.

 

[spiderman]

They havent had to. They have had great success for a decent stretch now. Since the FF year and the consistent bids, no way this fanbase stands for bad play for long and the admin wont either since bb is pretty much is the identity of the school to most.

ok, but what do you expect their fan base to do when they're not standing for it if it happens? not show up to games? withhold money? write emails to their AD? complain on message boards?

 

[97spiderfan]

not sure what VCU admin has done to earn this praise. they've typically hired well after losing good coaches. not sure about the latest. TBD.
what have they done to not tolerate mediocrity?

When you go to 7 straight NCAA's, they haven't had a chance to respond to mediocrity. Would Mooney having missed the NCAA's 7 straight years still be employed at VCU? I somehow highly doubt the VCU administration and fanbase would tolerate that.

As UR fans we have cheered both times when Shaka and then Wade moved on. And now with Rhoades, I don't think many of us want him to move. Just like the average VCU fans wants Mooney to stay as our coach.

 

[spiderman]

I'm not questioning VCU's basketball success. They've done very well. But I'm not sure what their fans or administration have done to earn this belief that they don't tolerate mediocrity.

Maybe they had a football program a long time ago and canned it because it was mediocre? Now that would impress me.

 

[fatherspider]

ok, but what do you expect their fan base to do when they're not standing for it if it happens? not show up to games? withhold money? write emails to their AD? complain on message boards?

They will do all of the above and be more vocal than most would be. Thats my opinion.

 

[fatherspider]

I'm not questioning VCU's basketball success. They've done very well. But I'm not sure what their fans or administration have done to earn this belief that they don't tolerate mediocrity.

Maybe they had a football program a long time ago and canned it because it was mediocre? Now that would impress me.

We will just have to see. After the great run I personally dont think they will stand for it. This run made them relevant and they tasted success. They will be dancing soon again or they will a change, whether that works or not is irrelevant. They will not stand put.

 

[fatherspider]

When you go to 7 straight NCAA's, they haven't had a chance to respond to mediocrity. Would Mooney having missed the NCAA's 7 straight years still be employed at VCU? I somehow highly doubt the VCU administration and fanbase would tolerate that.

As UR fans we have cheered both times when Shaka and then Wade moved on. And now with Rhoades, I don't think many of us want him to move. Just like the average VCU fans wants Mooney to stay as our coach.

The Moon dog would have been howling in another town years ago.

 

[plydogg]

They lost their coach because he got a better job because he had so much success. That is a hopeful scenerio at midmajors and one that is tough to avoid.

That didn't answer or have anything to do with my post and question though I don't think. Was simply a jab at VCU for having a transfer be part of history while they're at home.

 

[spiderman]

We will just have to see. After the great run I personally dont think they will stand for it. This run made them relevant and they tasted success. They will be dancing soon again or they will a change, whether that works or not is irrelevant. They will not stand put.

ok I guess. you're saying you just have a gut feeling. not based on anything.

I thought maybe you had an example where they refused to accept less and demanded/enacted change. that's what it sounded like.

 

[97spiderfan]

There are currently two Top 100 programs in the country who will accept a coach who hasn't take their program to an NCAA in 7 years. UR and Penn State.

We are truly an anolomy in this day and age when coaches are judged on winning and getting their teams to the playoffs. There is no way, Mooney would still be employed at VCU or any BCS level job (except maybe Penn State).

 

[spiderman]

There are currently two Top 100 programs in the country who will accept a coach who hasn't take their program to an NCAA in 7 years. UR and Penn State.

We are truly an anolomy in this day and age when coaches are judged on winning and getting their teams to the playoffs. There is no way, Mooney would still be employed at VCU or any BCS level job (except maybe Penn State).

I keep seeing these definitive "there is no way" type statements, but I've never seen VCU write a multi-million dollar buyout check. I don't know how you know these things you know.

 

[fatherspider]

ok I guess. you're saying you just have a gut feeling. not based on anything.

I thought maybe you had an example where they refused to accept less and demanded/enacted change. that's what it sounded like.

No it was just a gut feeling. Can't bring up an example when there isn't one since the VCU of today since their FF year and the success since is not the VCU of years before then.

 

[Ulla1]

There are currently two Top 100 programs in the country who will accept a coach who hasn't take their program to an NCAA in 7 years. UR and Penn State.

We are truly an anolomy in this day and age when coaches are judged on winning and getting their teams to the playoffs. There is no way, Mooney would still be employed at VCU or any BCS level job (except maybe Penn State).

97, how many times must you repeat yourself?

 

[spider23]

My friends at VDU will not stand for mediocrity. We will:
1) complain on message boards incessantly, just like tick23
2) All gain 57 pounds and sit on the AD
3) Pray for Shaka
4) Hire Ulla to be our optimist
5) Put signs on Rhoades lawn

I don't think this will be necessary because my friend FM Rick knows of a juco, grad transfer and one other that will make up 3 spots on the all A10 team. Plus the karma kid from Rice will be healed and eligible. Looks like 2 more wins vs Moon Dogggg(Ply).

 

[spider23]

97, how many times must you repeat yourself?

I hope he repeats until you get the message. I was in your boat for years kind sir, and now I have switched to the 97 boat, he is speaking the truth, please LISTEN.

 

[Spider B]

97, that is an amazing stat. And we still have a couple posters who actually do not want a change in leadership. Hard to believe.

 

[CAAguy]

Ulla...........all you ever do is repeat yourself.

"Roll Spide!"
"Great time to be a Spider"
"He's a perfect fit"
"All our guys are classy"
"Reason #x why we're gonna dance"
"Bet the ranch!"

 

[plydogg]

My friends at VDU will not stand for mediocrity. We will:
1) complain on message boards incessantly, just like tick23
2) All gain 57 pounds and sit on the AD
3) Pray for Shaka
4) Hire Ulla to be our optimist
5) Put signs on Rhoades lawn

I don't think this will be necessary because my friend FM Rick knows of a juco, grad transfer and one other that will make up 3 spots on the all A10 team. Plus the karma kid from Rice will be healed and eligible. Looks like 2 more wins vs Moon Dogggg(Ply).

Man another "attempt" at comedy. Yikes.

 

[plydogg]

97, that is an amazing stat. And we still have a couple posters who actually do not want a change in leadership. Hard to believe.

I don't want a change in leadership. I'm one of those posters and there are more than a couple. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make them wrong.

 

[Eight Legger]

There are currently two Top 100 programs in the country who will accept a coach who hasn't take their program to an NCAA in 7 years. UR and Penn State.

We are truly an anolomy in this day and age when coaches are judged on winning and getting their teams to the playoffs. There is no way, Mooney would still be employed at VCU or any BCS level job (except maybe Penn State).

And the thing about this fact isn't necessarily that those 98 other programs are right, it's just to show that only 2% of major programs behave the way we do when it comes to this. So the idea that those of us who want a change in leadership are basing that belief in some crazy alternate universe where that would never happen is simply inaccurate.

 

[Spider B]

I don't want a change in leadership. I'm one of those posters and there are more than a couple. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make them wrong.

No, there are only a couple left. And you are wrong, just look at the fact that 97 just posted:

There are currently two Top 100 programs in the country who will accept a coach who hasn't take their program to an NCAA in 7 years. UR and Penn State.

 

[spider23]

Thank you B, thank you. Let's embrace being part of the solution, not nursing the problem.

 

[plydogg]

No, there are only a couple left. And you are wrong, just look at the fact that 97 just posted:

I just meant I'm one and Ulla is another and I know there's been at least one more so that's more than a couple. I thought he meant a couple posters who don't want Mooney fired.

If the original post meant a couple programs with their coach still then that is accurate but that is not what the original post said.

I think there was a miscommunication here. My post wasn't in response to 2 programs out of 100, it was to there being only two posters on this board who support Mooney.

 

[fan2011]

No, there are only a couple left. And you are wrong, just look at the fact that 97 just posted:

The numbers 97 posted claim that 98 out of the top 100 programs have either gone to the NCAAs in the past 7 years or have fired their coach in the past 7 years. It does not show that 98 of 100 programs would fire their coach if they went 7 years without an appearance, though I think it is obvious that most would. There is a difference.

 

[urfan1]

This thread is nothing but attack after attack on other posters. Those that want a change are entitled to your opinion, those that support the current staff are also entitled to their opinion. STOP ATTACKING ONE ANOTHER. State your opinion without an attack, name calling etc. This thread is locked.