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[localspider]

Is this fake NEWS ?LET me know please !
We continually hear how bad it is from the new media.... but if it is published in the Los Angles newspaper, it really has to be bad, as stated below..... Bill




CA - LARGEST INSANE ASYLUM IN THE WORLD
AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT A WAL
CALIFORNIA - LARGEST INSANE ASYLUM IN THE WORLD
Interesting that the LA Times did this.
Whether you are a Democrat or Republican, this should be of great interest to you!Just One State - be sure and read the last part... try for 3 times.This is only one State... If this doesn't open your eyes, nothing will!From the L.A. Times.1. 40% of all workers in LA County (10.2 million people) areworking for cash; andnot paying taxes. This is because they are
predominantlyillegal immigrants, working without a green card. (Donald Trump was right)
2. 95% of warrants formurderin Los Angeles are forillegal aliens.3. 75% of people on themost wantedlist in Los Angeles areillegal aliens.4. Over2/3 of all births in Los Angeles Countyare toillegal alienMexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.5. Nearly35% of all inmates in Californiadetention centers are Mexican nationals; they are here illegally.6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.7. The FBI reportshalf of all gang membersin Los Angeles are mostlikelyillegal aliensfrom south of the border.8. Nearly 60% of all occupants ofHUD propertiesareillegal.9. 21 radio stations in LA are Spanish- speaking.10. In LA County, 5.1 million people speak English; 3.9 million, speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people, in LA County.(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth, (and over 90% of California , Florida and New York ), results from Immigration. Also,29% of inmates in federal prisonsareillegal aliens.We are fools for letting this continue.HOW CAN YOU HELP?Send copies of this letter, to at least two other people. 100, would be even better.This is only one State...If this doesn't open your eyes nothing will and you wonder why Nancy Pelosi wants them to become voters!IF YOU DON'T AGREE, JUST DELETE -- IF YOU DO PASS IT ON! WHERE DO WE GET THESE MORONS?And then there's NANCY PELOSI:Nancy Pelosi (who was just re-elected and part of this problem) wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words, tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't going to believe this…; Windfall Tax on Retirement Income... Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, "You're so dammed stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you." Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds)!This woman is frightening. She quotes... 'We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn't Marx say something like this?)in our country....When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied: We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as Americans.Send this on to your friends. I just did
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[WebSpinner]

recall reading an article in the wall street journal in the late seventies that california was attempting to tax the retirement income of those who were citizens of their state but chose to retire to another state. that is truly american thinking. guess if you are taking care of all those non-citizens, you have to obtain lots of money from somewhere, millionaire's tax, etc. seems like the feds should be able to block money going to a place which encourages illegals to stay and protects them thus making its citizens less safe. tx banned sanctuary cities and will cut off their funds if they persist in running their locations illegally. do it if you want but you are not getting anymore of our state money if you do. some people need to be knocked upside the head to get them thinking again.

 

[iSpider]

Sometimes it's advisable to check the sources of one's source. It helps in not appearing ignorant and prevents the spread of misinformation.

Just One State – Cost of ‘Illegals’ in Los Angeles
Statistics about the number and costs of undocumented immigrants in Los Angeles County have long circulated as an e-mail forward titled "the Largest Insane Asylum in the World."
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The various figures quoted above (often circulated in an e-mail forward titled “The Largest Insane Asylum in the World: California”) were not taken from a 2002 Los Angeles Times article. They appear to have been gleaned from a variety of sources and vary in accuracy as noted below:

Over 2/3’s of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

The California Vital Records Department of the Department of Health Services classified as “Hispanic” the race/ethnicity of 62.7% of all
births occurring in Los Angeles county in 2001. The statistic quoted above therefore erroneously characterizes all parents of Hispanic heritage in Los Angeles County in 2001 as being “illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal.”

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

In April 2005, Heather Mac Donald, a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, testified before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims. On the issue of gang membership among illegal immigrants, she said:

No one knows for certain the percentage of illegals in gangs, thanks in large part to sanctuary laws themselves. But various estimates exist:A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations. It commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

Note, however, that this statement references a California Department of Justice study (not an FBI report), and that it describes only a single gang in Los Angeles County (the 18th Street Gang), the gang that likely has the highest membership rate of illegal aliens.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

This figure also appears (unsourced) in Heather Mac Donald’s testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims:

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens.

Even if the statistic is accurate, however, it is subject to a variety of interpretations. For example, illegal aliens might be disproportionately represented by outstanding homicide warrants in Los Angeles because they are more likely to flee the jurisdiction before their cases are adjudicated than legal residents are (not necessarily because they commit a far greater share of the homicides in Los Angeles). This interpretation is supported by a University of California Davis summary of immigration issues that notes:

The Los Angeles Police Department has a 12-year old Foreign Prosecution Unit that pursues suspects who fled the US after committing crimes in Los Angeles and gives testimony when they are prosecuted aboard. The United States does not have extradition treaties with most Latin American countries but many countries, for example, Mexico, Nicaragua or El Salvador try suspects for murder and other violent crimes committed in the US.The Foreign Prosecution Unit was founded in 1985, after a study found that nearly half of the LAPD’s outstanding arrest warrants involved Mexican nationals who were presumed to have fled the country. The FPU works with Interpol to find suspects who flee abroad and then prepares the evidence so that the person can be arrested and prosecuted. The FPU clears about one-third of its cases, compared to two-thirds of all homicide cases in Los Angeles.

The Mexican consulate in Los Angeles has a representative of the Mexican attorney general’s office to work with the FPU in prosecuting suspects in Mexico for crimes committed in Los Angeles.

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

The Los Angeles Police Department’s “Most Wanted” list is viewable online, but since each entry generally includes only the ethnicity of a suspect (not his or her immigration status or nationality), and many of the entries refer to persons of unknown identity, it’s difficult to verify the claim that 75% of the people listed therein are illegal aliens.

Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

Again, this figure appears to correspond with Heather Mac Donald’s testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims:

The L.A. County Sheriff reported in 2000 that 23% of inmates in county jails were deportable, according to the New York Times.

Note, however, that the 23% figure cited includes all deportable aliens, not just Mexican nationals.
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Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.

Although illegal aliens are not generally eligible to collect public welfare benefits, an illegal alien may receive benefits under the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamps programs on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. (Any child born in the United States is considered a U.S. citizen, regardless of the parents’ immigration status.) A 1997 General Accounting Office (GAO) report determined that in 1995 households headed by illegal aliens received a total of $700 million in AFDC benefits and $430 million in Food Stamps.

>Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

As the Sacramento Bee reported, the “over 90%” figure for population growth in California is essentially accurate if the term “immigration” is defined to encompass both foreign immigrants and births to immigrant mothers:

When Department of Finance numbers are merged with Census Bureau numbers and birth and death data collected by the state Department of Health Services are added to the mix, showing that half of all births are to immigrant mothers, the inescapable conclusion is that foreign immigration and births to immigrant mothers together comprise all of the state’s net population growth. Or, to put it another way, without foreign immigration, California would have virtually zero population growth.

The cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

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There is a great deal of disagreement over the costs and benefits of immigrants to the US and California. Studies in the early 1980s in Texas and New York concluded that the taxes paid by immigrants exceeded the cost of providing public services to them, but that the federal government got the surplus of taxes over expenditures, and local governments had deficits. Los Angeles did a study in 1992 that reinforced this conclusion. Donald Huddle of Rice University set the benchmark for today’s debate with a study that concluded that the legal and illegal immigrants who arrived since 1970 cost the US $42.5 billion in 1992, and $18.1 billion in California. According to Huddle, 7.2 million immigrants arrived legally and illegally in California since 1970, and the state incurred costs of $23 billion to provide them with services — half of the costs were for education and healthcare, and one-sixth were due to the costs of providing services to US residents displaced by these immigrants.

As with all such studies, Huddle made assumptions about how many illegal aliens there are, their usage of welfare and other public services, the taxes they paid, and their indirect economic impacts. Jeff Passel of the Urban Institute reviewed and revised Huddle’s US estimates, and his calculations turned the $42 billion net cost into a $29 billion net benefit.

Most of the $70 billion difference between these studies arises from their estimates of the taxes paid by immigrants — Huddle assumes that post-1970 immigrants paid $20 billion in taxes to all levels of government, and Passel assumes they paid $70 billion. And the major reason for the difference in tax estimates is that Huddle did not include the 15 percent of each worker’s earnings that are paid in Social Security taxes, while Passel did — this accounts for over one-third of the $70 billion difference.

The “Largest Insane Asylum in the World/California” e-mail forward first appeared in 2006 and as of early 2017, the well-worn item continued to pop up on blogs and in social media posts.

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[WebSpinner]

OMG, snopes strikes again, funny

 

[spider fan]

Yes Snopes never brings any slant to their observations - not.

But more importantly Happy Birthday there young man WebSpinner.

 

[WebSpinner]

thanks Admiral, hope you guys are doing

 

[Wood Hall]

California has a $6 billion government surplus. How's Donnie boy doing on the Federal level? Not so hot. Largest deficits in history, made even larger by his tax-cut giveaway to the 1%.

 

[iSpider]

 

[WebSpinner]

the high deficits were created by a number of people long before trump took office and exacerbated by obama who caused more than all of the other presidents combined so don't even try and go there Hall. if you don't know better then, do some research. also, revenues to the treasury are going up since the tax cuts and i am not a 1% but will pay lower taxes as well. don't listen to your normal leftist outlets, do some of your own research and be set free buddy.

 

[localspider]

California has a $6 billion government surplus. How's Donnie boy doing on the Federal level? Not so hot. Largest deficits in history, made even larger by his tax-cut giveaway to the 1%.

Ha! Highest state income tax in the nation, 13.3%, how long will the surplus last. Anyone with a half/brain and working are/ will be leaving, you can find a better argument, but probably not, Trump thanks you for the support.

 

[Wood Hall]

California is growing. Trump won't even show his face there, a place he lost by FOUR MILLION votes.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth. Seems to be a major problem with Trump and anyone associated with him as he continues to lie at a record pace.

 

[localspider]

California is growing. Trump won't even show his face there, a place he lost by FOUR MILLION votes.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth. Seems to be

California is growing. Trump won't even show his face there, a place he lost by FOUR MILLION votes.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth. Seems to be a major problem with Trump and anyone associated with him as he continues to lie at a record pace.

California is growing. Trump won't even show his face there, a place he lost by FOUR MILLION votes.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth. Seems to be a major problem with Trump and anyone associated with him as he continues to lie at a record pace.

California is growing. Trump won't even show his face there, a place he lost by FOUR MILLION votes.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth. Seems to be a major problem with Trump and anyone associated with him as he continues to lie at a record pace.

California is growing. Trump won't even show his face there, a place he lost by FOUR MILLION votes.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth. Seems to be a major problem with Trump and anyone associated with him as he continues to lie at a record pace.

Darn Trump lost CA by 4M votes, refresh by memory, how did that turn out? Who gives a crap about CA, oh other than the new mayor of SF, apparently she cares about CA crap. BTW not to smart to bring up liars, remember shovel ready jobs, keep your doctor, keep your health plan, transparent administration, oops fast and furious, Lois Lerner IRS, Bill and Loretta, etc. BTW, I lived in Wood Hall in 1968, when were you there? just curious when the indoctrination occurred?

 

[Wood Hall]

California is the sixth largest economy in the world. Every single national business in the US cares about California. That's where the customers are. That's the state that sets the trends for the entire country.

I lived in Wood in 1972-73. Indoctrination, that's funny. You just keep believing in the Russian-loving liar, telling hundreds of whoppers every week.

 

[whampas]

Which California are you discussing, Nocal, Socal, Cal? Why can't they just get along?

 

[localspider]

California is the sixth largest economy in the world. Every single national business in the US cares about California. That's where the customers are. That's the state that sets the trends for the entire country.

I lived in Wood in 1972-73. Indoctrination, that's funny. You just keep believing in the Russian-loving liar, telling hundreds of whoppers every week.

Duh, 39.5 M residents, I would expect every major company and snake oil salesman to prey on CA. On the other hand I doubt anyone outside of CA gives a crap about drug syringes, human feces, sanctuary cities, homeless camps, poverty, Pelosi, Feinstein, and the last time I checked 70 plus municipalities were either bankrupt or financially challenged. The topic is the reality of illegal immigrants, not legal wage earners, and the ultimate destruction caused by open borders. You should visit SF or Oakland, witness the effects of those that hold yours beliefs. I visit there three times yearly, parts look like a third world country. I held my nose and voted Trump, so far so good, I expect your 401 plan similar to mine is growing daily. Come on over to the winning team, life is good.

 

[Wood Hall]

"The winning team?" Is that why so many people are leaving this administration in droves? Don't want to be Russian, thank you very much.

 

[localspider]

The winning team? Voters that have jobs, pay less taxes, prefer closed border, detest santuary cities, Obamacare, amd stifling gov regs, nothing to do with politics or the Russians. Once again, pay attention this thread relates to the destruction of the US by illegal immigrants. Come on over, make a better life for your family.

 

[Wood Hall]

The winning team? Voters that have jobs, pay less taxes, prefer closed border, detest santuary cities, Obamacare, amd stifling gov regs, nothing to do with politics or the Russians. Once again, pay attention this thread relates to the destruction of the US by illegal immigrants. Come on over, make a better life for your family.

That must be why his approval rating is about 40 percent and the GOP is gonna get killed at the midterms.

"Destruction of the U S by illegal immigrants." What a straw man, typical GOP fear-mongering. And the ACA is far more popular than Kommrade Trump sucking up to the Ruskies.

And as your air and water quality continue to decline because of the EPA sellout to industry, don't lecture me on those "stifling gov. regulations." Keep drinking the kool aid.

 

[WebSpinner]

am just amazed that any of you are buying into the russian trash, hillary was more involved, by far, than trump. Hall, cannot believe you sat back, not saying a word, quiet, crickets, as obama amassed a deficit higher than all of the other presidents combined and now are blaming trump for the current $21 TRILLION or so, what a farce and you have a lot of nerve saying anything now if you said nothing then. what is your point? you must be listening to those who are speculating, guessing but with no real facts because things are going great guns and if we do obtain a level trade playing field, the deficit can be handled.

 

[Wood Hall]

Uh, $21-trillion deficit is the largest in American history. Obama has not been president for almost two full years.

Maybe we need to shut down the government again, because Congress won't fund a wall Trump himself promised Mexico would pay for. Please do, preferably in late October.

At some point you will have to acknowledge the truth. The Trump presidency is a disaster and national and international embarrassment.

 

[localspider]

That must be why his approval rating is about 40 percent and the GOP is gonna get killed at the midterms.

"Destruction of the U S by illegal immigrants." What a straw man, typical GOP fear-mongering. And the ACA is far more popular than Kommrade Trump sucking up to the Ruskies.

And as your air and water quality continue to decline because of the EPA sellout to industry, don't lecture me on those "stifling gov. regulations." Keep drinking the kool aid.

Killed in the mid-terms, do you need a Mulligan?

 

[WebSpinner]

Wood, california is doing well now on an annual basis but has a huge debt and unfunded liability prob so don't go thinking they are out of the woods, moving in the right direction, yep, a long way to go.

what he said was that if he renegotiated nafta, mexico would pay for the wall, maybe not directly but would still be paying for it. our economy is humming and as things grow, many of these probs will disappear but it won't be overnight. you guys just cannot give anyone, well trump, a chance even though it is obvious that things are going great on many levels. at some point someone will have to face the truth and think it will be and those of your ilk.