Thought exercise. Who do you consider our peer basketball programs that we should realistically benchmark ourselves against? I’m just trying to put our last decade performance in context. Wake? Davidson? Gonzaga is a private school mid-major, but twice our size and an academic lightweight. Duke is private but a ton bigger and next level academics. Boston College? Miami? They’re both bigger. What’s our aspirational model we’re shooting for?
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Have a peer group study how we spend millions. Millions on new facilities and new arenas etc. And get few wins and lose alumni. But somehow reach new doners. Revenue sports continue to lose money (basketball and football). But still have a clean image and pretend "everything's fine". When more than 70 percent of the student body is from the northeast. They have zero interest with our athletic program. Keep pushing up the tuition and somehow parents still pay for it?
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oh yeah Gonzaga and Duke are definitely our "peer basketball programs"
Well the majority of our fans (not those on this board), want to compare to other mediocre programs, citing excuses for the programs that are better.
If I was an optimistic and aspiring fan I would compare us to the top mid majors. VCU, Dayton, Bonnie's, St. Mary's, yes Gonzaga, San Diego State, Utah State, etc. Schools that don't accept 8 year tourney droughts with the same coach and same deficiencies year after year after year.
Look at Utah State, lost a great coach, plugged another one in and keep chugging.
If I was an optimistic and aspiring fan I would compare us to the top mid majors. VCU, Dayton, Bonnie's, St. Mary's, yes Gonzaga, San Diego State, Utah State, etc. Schools that don't accept 8 year tourney droughts with the same coach and same deficiencies year after year after year.
Look at Utah State, lost a great coach, plugged another one in and keep chugging.
Academics: Colgate, Bucknell. Basketball-they have gone to “The Dance” more often than the Spiders in the last decade. At least Colgate has gone more often. Not 100% sure about Bucknell.
According to this we were seventh in the league, below St. Joe's, Fordham and Duquesne somehow...
www.three-man-weave.com
Fun with Finances: Basketball Budgets — Three-Man-Weave
In the doldrums of the offseason, we pivoted off the basketball court to open up the accounting ledger. Using the most recent Department of Higher Education numbers, here’s a quick look at each team’s spending situation.
www.three-man-weave.com
If this is anywhere near accurate, and we show it as a % of UD...According to this we were seventh in the league, below St. Joe's, Fordham and Duquesne somehow...
Fun with Finances: Basketball Budgets — Three-Man-Weave
In the doldrums of the offseason, we pivoted off the basketball court to open up the accounting ledger. Using the most recent Department of Higher Education numbers, here’s a quick look at each team’s spending situation.
100.00% | Dayton |
99.92% | St. Louis |
82.76% | St. Joseph's |
82.08% | VCU |
75.50% | Duquesne |
68.26% | Fordham |
64.33% | Richmond |
63.82% | Rhode Island |
57.67% | George Mason |
54.14% | Umass |
51.54% | St. Bonaventure |
47.86% | La Salle |
47.73% | George Washington |
44.35% | Davidson |
Here is the latest 2019-20 data. I do have some skepticism about the data...I'm not sure every school reports things the same way.
Dayton: $8,212,991
Saint Louis: $7,207,705
VCU: $6,721,809
Duquesne: $5,859,182
Richmond: $4,897,831
Fordham: $4,860,790
George Mason: $4,725,888
Saint Joseph's: $4,424,092
Rhode Island: $4,345,286
Massachusetts: $4,302,474
George Washington: $4,261,344
St. Bonaventure: $3,850,362
Davidson: $3,488,697
La Salle: $3,146,557
Dayton: $8,212,991
Saint Louis: $7,207,705
VCU: $6,721,809
Duquesne: $5,859,182
Richmond: $4,897,831
Fordham: $4,860,790
George Mason: $4,725,888
Saint Joseph's: $4,424,092
Rhode Island: $4,345,286
Massachusetts: $4,302,474
George Washington: $4,261,344
St. Bonaventure: $3,850,362
Davidson: $3,488,697
La Salle: $3,146,557
So change from article to 2019-2020:
| Dayton: | 10.47% |
| Saint Louis | -2.97% |
| Saint Joe | -28.10% |
| VCU: | 10.15% |
| Duquesne: | 4.39% |
| Fordham: | -4.23% |
| Richmond: | 2.41% |
| Rhode Island | -8.43% |
| George Mason | 10.22% |
| Massachusetts: | 6.88% |
| St. Bonavenure | 0.48% |
| La Salle | -11.56% |
| George Washington | 20.07% |
| Davidson: | 5.80% |
Is Fordham the most expensive tuition/room/board in the A10 so the 'cost' of scholarships bumps them?
Are they not paying Martellis replacement as much which why St. Joe's dropped so much?
Expectations for this year…..5 returning players who’ve started, is it 3or4 1000 point players, probably the best bench talent and depth we’ve had in decades, great facilities, pay a head coach millions, what else does the team need? NCAA at large is a reasonable and should be the goal
