ODU

[LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster]

Last time we had this start in 85-86, I believe we were 16-1 got put in top 25 and promptly lost to ODU. Let's hope that doesn't happen again.

They have lost 7 straight-last win was on November 16.
beat STJ, Northeastern, and Loyola.MD (lost to Loyola ILL so 1-1 vs. the Catholics)

Lost to : among others, Northern Iowa,, JMU, Mason and Eight Legger's favorite team W&M.

They don't shoot particularly well- 39% from field, 28% from 3 and 64% from line.

Opponents shoot 41% from field, 35% from field.

 

[UR80sfan]

They just added a mid-season Clemson transfer stud guard. A.J. Oliver. He had a very good game against Illinois. This is going to be a much more difficult game with him in the line up.

 

[spider fan]

Have lost 3 in a row to the Monarchs - all time 26-33........7-17 away games........they are a tough opponent - let's go the Ted Constant Convocation Center and come back with a win......................

 

[GKiller]

Good intel Lurker & UR80sfan. ODU already worried me, that just adds to it. ODU record not good & they are down this year but they've played a very hard schedule to date so a little deceiving.

That said it's a game we have to win. And we owe ODU, we owe a lot of teams. As noted we have lost 3 in a row to them. I don't know what Mooney overall record is against the main state rivals like VCU, ODU, W&M, JMU but it can't be good. I don't really consider the Goo Moos in there but we haven't played too well against them either. In hoops ODU is probably 2nd or 3rd state rival, time to pick it up Moon man need an important W tomorrow.

 

[Spider93]

We will destroy ODU, see 18-1 thread.

 

[Eight Legger]

They are a pretty bad team, but I predict that if we start the way we did against Charleston and Hampton, it might be a long ride home. Let's hope not.

 

[gcarter52]

Charleston was a much better team than ODU, Have we not shown that we can win either scoring in the 60s as well as in the 70s or 80s?

 

[CarolinaSpider]

OK throw out the records, a rivalry game makes for a different intensity. The other point is anybody can beat anybody
on any given day. Hopefully we will take this game seriously and play the Monarchs as though they are undefeated.

 

[Spider2020]

Not sure any current players on either side (aside from maybe Godwin) would consider this a rivalry. As a current student, I certainly don’t.

 

[fatherspider]

I hope CM is getting the guys up for this game and be confident on the road. A loss here can derail this great start.

 

[GKiller]

Not sure any current players on either side (aside from maybe Godwin) would consider this a rivalry. As a current student, I certainly don’t.

And maybe that is a reason why our Coach and current players record is so crappy overall against those 5 state teams. You need many things to motivate you thru a season. Hopefully they are tired of getting their lunch money stolen.

 

[Gallipoli]

I am concerned about a team with tall guards, like Auburn, that is able to shut down both Gilyard and Francis. ODU seems to have larger guards.

 

[Spider2020]

And maybe that is a reason why our Coach and current players record is so crappy overall against those 5 state teams. You need many things to motivate you thru a season. Hopefully they are tired of getting their lunch money stolen.

Not sure I see a correlation here. We still have a strong rivalry with VCU and our record isn’t great against them either. The guys are 9-1, they’re motivated.

 

[urfan1]

Not sure any current players on either side (aside from maybe Godwin) would consider this a rivalry. As a current student, I certainly don’t.

If the players don't recognize that ODU will be out for blood we may be in serious trouble. They are desperate, playing at home, need a win, and playing a state school, and a former conference rival.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

Not sure any current players on either side (aside from maybe Godwin) would consider this a rivalry. As a current student, I certainly don’t.

2020 you must not be from VA. Those of us born and raised here know the special nature of instate school games. Players may not realize it but the long time fans do.

 

[spider fan]

Some of us remember when it was the Norfolk Division of William and Mary before 1962 when it became Old Dominion College and subsequently Old Dominion University. In those days the students at public state colleges and the University of Richmond were primarily residents of Virginia.

 

[Spider B]

Jeff Jones teams always play good defense and rebound. They will play hard. That said, we have too much offensive firepower. I like us in this one.

 

[GKiller]

Not sure I see a correlation here. We still have a strong rivalry with VCU and our record isn’t great against them either. The guys are 9-1, they’re motivated.

If we don’t get prepared & in the right mindset for the secondary rivalry games logically we may also be doing things very wrong for vcu too. I don’t know maybe our state rivalry opponents incl vcu all take them more serious than we do. All I know is mooney’s poor record in these games overall is quite lopsided compared to his winning % in others.

If he were going to ncaas w any regularity it wouldn’t stick out as much but well he’s just 2 for 14 in the all important ncaa department.

And this year with our good prospects they r especially pivotal. Mooney has apparently changed a lot this year from defense to practice routines. Hopefully he changed here too. I think our past embarrassing bad performances in these primary state rivalry games calls for change too.

Starts w odu in a sneaky dangerous spot.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Not sure any current players on either side (aside from maybe Godwin) would consider this a rivalry. As a current student, I certainly don’t.

It's the only non-conference school we play every year. It's definitely a rivalry.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Spiders -6. Lay it. Lock it.

 

[fatherspider]

Not sure any current players on either side (aside from maybe Godwin) would consider this a rivalry. As a current student, I certainly don’t.

Rivalries are not made by the players who are playing, they are created by the fans only. Do you think that the Packer players were all born and raised in Green Bay and hated the Bears? If our players dont recognize that this is a rivalry game within a fan base, that is on our coach because there will be many ODU fans intermingling w UR fans.

 

[Spider2020]

Rivalries are not made by the players who are playing, they are created by the fans only. Do you think that the Packer players were all born and raised in Green Bay and hated the Bears? If our players dont recognize that this is a rivalry game within a fan base, that is on our coach because there will be many ODU fans intermingling w UR fans.

Just to clarify, I have no insight on what the players think. I was giving my insight as a younger fan and someone who is currently enrolled at UR. I maintain that I don’t see it as a rivalry, but clearly I’m in the minority on this board, which is fine.

 

[Gallipoli]

Rivalries are not made by the players who are playing, they are created by the fans only.

The most intense and enduring UR rivalries are the W&M and JMU football rivalries. To some extent these are institutional rivalries and enjoyed by the fans.
The most intense basketball rivalries have changed from JMU and Navy (CAA) to Xavier and Temple (early A10) to VCU. College basketball is more transient than it used to be.
In every case these rivalries are fueled by the intense personal feelings our players have against theirs. Sometimes our guys remember what they did the last time we played, like David West at X. Other times they see events like the ESPN game day at JMU.
Basketball rivalries for UR, except for VCU, are not fueled by the fans of the schools. But JMHO.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Not sure any current players on either side (aside from maybe Godwin) would consider this a rivalry.

Just to clarify, I have no insight on what the players think.

ibid.

 

[Spider93]

Some of us remember when it was the Norfolk Division of William and Mary before 1962 when it became Old Dominion College and subsequently Old Dominion University. In those days the students at public state colleges and the University of Richmond were primarily residents of Virginia.

Sidebar from this thread, this is what worries me about our fan base. Made up of mostly "those days" students. We simply do not have a large enough graduating class sticking around Richmond each year to attend games! What happens when the old timers stop attending?

 

[Spider93]

given up 5.5,

ODU +5.5 (-114)
RICH -5.5 (-108)

interesting enough, VCU given up less than we did at 8.5 if I remember:

CHARLS +5.5 (-108)
VCU -5.5 (-112)

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

The W&M basketball rivalry was pretty intense back in the CAA (and earlier) days, too. They weren't as good as JMU and Navy during the Tarrant era, so maybe some fans discount it, but believe me, our team considered them a rival. W&M remains our most often played opponent, by a wide margin. Now, I suspect our players don't even think about W&M. We stopped playing them after the jump to the A-10, briefly resumed, then dropped the series again.

We have played ODU every year of the Mooney era - so yes, I do think the team considers them a rival.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

given up 5.5,

ODU +5.5 (-114)
RICH -5.5 (-108)

interesting enough, VCU given up less than we did at 8.5 if I remember:

CHARLS +5.5 (-108)
VCU -5.5 (-112)

VCU is at Charleston. Home court is worth at least 2.5.

 

[97spiderfan]

Rivalry or not, they are 3-7 and have lost 7 in row and we are 9-1. If we are a team with postseason aspirations, we go down to Norfolk and step on their throats and win by double digits.

I get as fans, we are going to worry about every game and whether the team is prepared, but the A-10 is tough this year and we can't let a damaged demoralized team like ODU pick us off tonight. Just can't happen.

 

[LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster]

this is a classic "boomer" string if there every was one. and if you don't know what "boomer" means, look it up.

Kids today have no idea, with the exception of the VCU games and maybe one other, who our rivals are. History to them was the last version of the iphone.

 

[spiderjpo]

Tonight we make a strong statement in the Tidewater area with a blowout. Good teams handle average teams no matter where they play.

 

[Gallipoli]

We have played ODU every year of the Mooney era - so yes, I do think the team considers them a rival.

Fair enough. Although I personally do not loath ODU like I do VCU.

 

[spiderman]

VCU aside since they're in our conference and in our city, but I wouldn't expect current students to feel any of our old CAA rivals were rivals anymore. if we played W&M in hoops this year would you be all fired up for it? I wouldn't. we have bigger games.

 

[Spider2020]

VCU aside since they're in our conference and in our city, but I wouldn't expect current students to feel any of our old CAA rivals were rivals anymore. if we played W&M in hoops this year would you be all fired up for it? I wouldn't. we have bigger games.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. But apparently I only know about the history of the iPhone

 

[Spider2020]

ibid.

“Not sure” = speculation

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Students? No. And if the game was a one-off? No. But if it was part of a perpetual series (like ODU is now), yeah, I think the players get up for it.
My evidence is anecdotal; I know the boys considered ODU, VCU, and Tech big OOC rivals back in the Tarrant years.

I don't think it matters how we label it; like 97 said, it's a must-win game.

 

[gcarter52]

While ODU has always been considered a rival game since the Tarrant years, the guys (well myself too), view this game has validation of how much the team has improved....Go Spiders!!!
Back in the day when I coached high school ball, I focused on the youth or inexperience of my team...."beat us while you have the chance but just wait"...I hope the "just wait time" is now for us.

 

[spider fan]

Sidebar from this thread, this is what worries me about our fan base. Made up of mostly "those days" students. We simply do not have a large enough graduating class sticking around Richmond each year to attend games! What happens when the old timers stop attending?

History is important no matter your age. My post was to give a little background on Old Dominion University. Just remember - "I'm Spider born and Spider bred, and I'll be a Spider when I'm dead." And to answer the question since/if you think a 68 grad is "old" when the "old timers stop attending" you will miss us. But no worries our basketball future is bright and you and your offspring and others will fill the Robins Center. You can look over at where I used to sit and say "wow - the person in that seat is much younger than the man who used to sit there!"

 

[LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster]

Students? No. And if the game was a one-off? No. But if it was part of a perpetual series (like ODU is now), yeah, I think the players get up for it.
My evidence is anecdotal; I know the boys considered ODU, VCU, and Tech big OOC rivals back in the Tarrant years.

I don't think it matters how we label it; like 97 said, it's a must-win game.

Ok Boomer....The tarrant years were 30+ years ago. One of you mentioned Tidewater....You're kidding yourselves that anyone on our team knows or cares what that is.

For the guys on our team, this is the next game on the schedule, nothing more nothing less.

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[nathanw19]

Outside of VCU, I think for the players it’s what Mooney emphasizes as a “rivalry” or big game. I have no insight if he makes a point of telling the players ODU is an in state rival/in means something to the fans. If not, I doubt our players look at it any differently than Charleston, other than ODU has beaten us recently.