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Mooney's contract

Eight Legger

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Not sure what to deduce from this, but in 2011, Mooney's contract paid him a base of $701,000, a bonus of $125,000 for the Sweet 16 and deferred compensation of $292,000, with a few other small amounts that brought his total pay to $1.14M.

In 2012, his base pay was listed at $447,000, with "Other compensation" of $287,000 and deferred compensation of $384,000, for the same total of $1.14M.

This comes from the 990 IRS form that the university has to file annually. I haven't been able to locate the 2014 filing, which shows the 2013 numbers, but that would be interesting to look at as well.

I'd be curious to know whether the base salary continues to decline and the deferred money increases as the years progress or what.
 
I agree Kevin better at least be getting a Christmas card with a check in it from CM
 
look, all of us wanted to get a great young coach who fit us and who could take us places AND we wanted to keep that guy if we could find him. we did that and all were happy. will say, no matter who the coach was, dean smith, pitino, would never have given any of them 10 years but that may have been the asking price and we were willing to pay it. now, it appears, it may come back to bite us, hope not, wanting a turn around and some excitement for the future with CM. uva learned their lesson and maybe we have as well but have nobody to blame but ourselves. if the powers that be want a change, we will get it but if they are happy with CM as a person and as a family member and as a teacher, he will retain his position. don't think we are an entity who likes to show our family members the door and will be interesting to see how this is handled. the bottom line is the individual who made this happen, will determine, in all likelyhood, how this plays out.
 
I guess the point of my original post was to highlight whether it would be easier for a change to be made, if in fact the base salary and "other compensation" totals go down every year and the deferred compensation amounts go up every year. Presumably we'd owe him all the money either way, but if we only had to eat $350,000 a year for the next 6 years as opposed to $1.1M a year in that time period, I think it could make a move more possible.

Of course, that would also depend on when all the deferred compensation money kicks in. Maybe it's 6 years from now, maybe it's 15 years from now.
 
No sane person would ever agree to employ anyone for big bucks, without a weasel clause.
 
If the opportunity presented itself, sure seems like bringing Benjy Taylor home would make sense.


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Taylor
 
Webspinner, you indicated "all were happy" with the retention and extension given to Mooney. I, for one, certainly was not. This sort of thing just should never be done. Said it then and say it again. Shame on Jim Miller. I never was a fan but thought Miller was OK overall. When he made that stupid decision to extend the coach's contract, he lost my support. (I would say the same thing no matter who the coach was.)
 
it was not JM' s decision alone. to do the type of contract which was done, involved people outside the university and the very top people at the university. personally, was astonished that we paid what we paid and was disappointed at the 10 year term but was in favor or retaining our coach and maybe, just maybe, that was the going rate. still feel that all of us wanted to retain CM although we may disagree with the terms needed to do so.
 
Guys, UR is not actually cash strapped. If the desire to buy out his contract was there, the University certainly could afford to financially buy it out.

I don't think the contract is the reason CM will be retained, I think it is more allegiance to the 2 NCAA teams he led and belief that he can lead us back, despite the recent 4 year period to the contrary.
 
I wonder if there are any other coaches who have been making $1M+ a year for the past 4 years but who have not made the NCAA tournament once during that time? I have to assume the answer is no, but I have not taken the time to look at the possibilities yet. If there is another one, I have to imagine it would be someone in one of the top 7 leagues.
 
Did a little digging in an attempt to answer my own question and found at least one guy -- Mike Anderson at Arkansas. He makes $2.2M a year (a 7-year deal...yowza) that started in 2011, and they have not made the NCAAs yet. There may be another one or two in the SEC. Alabama made it in 2012 or else Anthony Grant might be on the list too.

I suspect, though, that I will only find a handful of coaches at big time schools that fit the criteria.

Incidentally, Mike Lonergan at GW was making $590k a year, though I think he got a bump after a year or two. Doubt he is at $1.1M a year yet, though.

This post was edited on 1/4 8:26 PM by Eight Legger
 
If we make the NIT this year and win a game or two - I would give Mooney 2 more years to take us back to the NCAA.

If we miss out on the NIT or NCAA this year - then next year is a make or break year for the NCAA tourney. Make the NCAA - - all is good in the world. Miss it - find a replacement.

My only exception would be if next year we are one of the last 4 teams out - then I might give 1 more year. Other than that - start calling the names on your list.

Any suggestions? If we are thinking Spider connections - any chance Winiecki at Clemson gets a look?
 
Trap, I think you said this last year, that this year was NCAA or bust. And, I know you took a few weeks off, but discussing other potential head coaching candidates is verboten.
 
I did - and everyone thought it was nuts because they all came back with the Ced injury, our touch admission standards, look at the players we have returning, etc. So I turned off my hot seat for one more year, but I don't think anyone can argue now.

If we finish in the bottom 4 of the A10 - that could be reason to get rid of Mooney, but something to remember is - what is available or who could we get. Maybe our options are not great at the end of the year and you give Mooney one more year.

Not sure what up and coming coaches make a name for themselves come March or if maybe a bigger program fires there coach and we can pick up a guy with a lot of experience. So you always have to ask yourself - who is out there?
 
Bruce Weber having one bad year at Kansas State and is on the hot seat. Rumors are that he should be looking for a job. Just news not suggesting anything!
 
That's ridiculous. They should give Weber at least 3-4 more mediocre years before they start to warm his seat a little. Don't want to jump to any rush judgments, after all! Ha
 
Eight, the key is, what hot seat is he on, the message board hot seat which makes no difference or the big donor hot seat, which carries some clout. as long as posters here realize that their hot seat is only imaginary not real, all is OK.
 
So far, I have looked at the six conferences ranked ahead of the A-10 -- the ACC, Big East, the Big 10, the Big 12, the Pac 12 and the SEC -- and I have found a total of THREE current coaches at any of those member schools who have failed in the past three years to make the NIT or the NCAA. They are Pat Chambers at Penn State, Brian Gregory at Georgia Tech and Oliver Purnell at DePaul.

Purnell is the only one who makes as much or more than Mooney.

There are several programs in those leagues that have not made either tournament during that timeframe, of course, but they have all hired new coaches during that time, too -- presumably because their programs were not successful.

Next up: the American Athletic and West Coast (both ranked below us).



Edited to reflect that I have now searched all 6 conferences ranked ahead of us.

This post was edited on 1/6 7:20 PM by Eight Legger
 
Originally posted by Eight Legger:
So far, I have looked at five of the conferences ranked ahead of the A-10 -- the ACC, Big 10, the Big 12, the Pac 12 and the SEC and I have found a total of TWO current coaches at any of those member schools that has failed in the past three years to make the NIT or the NCAA. They are Pat Chambers at Penn State and Brian Gregory at Georgia Tech, but both make less than Mooney (Chambers $900k a year, Gregory $1M a year).

There are several programs that have not made either during that timeframe, of course, but they have all hired new coaches during that time, too -- presumably because their programs were not successful.

Next up: the Big East (ranked ahead of us) and the American Athletic and West Coast (both ranked below us).

My suspicion remains that I will not find a current coach making more than Mooney who has failed to get to the NIT or NCAA in the past three years.

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Pretty cool research. Looks like a pretty small fraternity to be a member of in that profession. In my mind these things speak volumes.
 
And what do Penn State, Georgia Tech, and DePaul basketball programs all have in common. They are all completely irrelevant in college basketball.
 
The final tally, as best as I can tell: There are 6 coaches in the top 7 leagues who have been in their current jobs for at least the past three years who have failed to make either the NCAA or NIT in that time.

They are Chris Mooney, Oliver Purnell (Depaul), Pat Chambers (Penn State), Brian Gregory (Georgia Tech), Paul Hewitt (Mason) and Tom Pecora (Fordham).

All of them make less than Mooney except for Purnell.

Also notable is that Mooney is in his 10th year, while Pecora and Purnell are in their 5th years and the others are all in their 4th years. In other words, three of the other five guys started their jobs at the same time we were coming off a Sweet 16. So you could argue that they all had uphill battles to fight, while we were at our peak.

This post was edited on 1/7 10:46 AM by Eight Legger
 
Wow, good work Eight. That is quite an infamous list of programs to be grouped with.
 
8,

How many of those teams who missed the NCAA tournament, and fired their coach, have still not made the tournament?

And talk about disappointing results. Northwestern, is the only longstanding member of a power conference, to NEVER have gone to the NCAA tournament. Bill Carmody did coach there from 2000 to 2013, before he was fired. That's even more futility than William & Mary has experienced, at least they're not a Big 10 member.
 
Wake has been in a dry spell since they fired Gaudio in 2009. Bzellic came from the NBA, and Danny Manning is a high-profile name. Are we saying that neither of these Wake coaches made/make as much as CM, escially given Wake's profile and ACC membership?
 
But to Carmody's credit TBSpyder - he did make 4 straight NIT appearances. That is what eventually got him out of a job. Northwestern has no history of NCAA appearances so any appearance would be celebrated. And he got them pretty close - on the NCAA bubble - in about 2, maybe 3 of those NIT years. Finally - the school probably just felt like they needed a change and they scored a home run with Collins from Duke. That NCAA drought will be over in no time. He probably is about another year away or so - but that could be an interesting bet - who makes it to the NCAA first - Northwestern or UR (UR's return to the dance of course).
 
There are several other teams in these leagues that have not made either tournament during this time period (though not many). But yes, they all have made coaching changes during this period.

I was only trying to identify programs that have had the same coach in place throughout this period and who have failed to make either tournament. So Wake doesn't fit that category because they have a new coach this year after firing one who didn't cut it.

This post was edited on 1/7 11:38 AM by Eight Legger
 
Interesting to take a look at this guy's resume. He's made two NCAAs and an NIT in the past three years and will make one of them again this year.

He earns $350,000 a year. Just saying.
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Tim Cluess can coach
 
The 10-year contract, because basketball is our signature sport and we cannot afford to become irrelevant in it, which is now happening. It was great to beat VCU and will be great to beat them again in a couple weeks, but I would rather lose to them and make the NCAAs.
 
Originally posted by Eight Legger:
The 10-year contract, because basketball is our signature sport and we cannot afford to become irrelevant in it, which is now happening. It was great to beat VCU and will be great to beat them again in a couple weeks, but I would rather lose to them and make the NCAAs.
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One would think that NCAA's should certainly be an evaluation criteria & a high one at that.
 
Good find. And now Mooney and Chambers are the only two coaches on that original list that I made.
 
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