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Monmouth University, West Long Branch NJ is eying the possibility of replacing JMU as a football member in the CAA. They are currently a member of the Big South in football, and are in their 4th year of a football contract which expires this year. They currently play no conference member that is north of North Carolina and are in need regional rivals.

Preference would be in the same conference for basketball. They are about to open a new 16 mil football venue this fall and would be nice to see the Spiders play 7 miles from my door.
 
SFspidur said:
It's pure speculation. CAA isn't looking to expand, and JMU doesn't have an obvious out yet after saying no to Sun Belt. Marshall blocked C-USA possibility initially, and even though they might reconsider at this point, C-USA has lost any appeal after the AAC raid and TV money falling apart.

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...08/08/monmouth-must-bolt-big-south/547409001/
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What conference would take JMU? They're not going C-USA, so it's either Sun Belt (after JMU turned them down cold) or the MAC (in all sports). There's only a finite number of slots in these "gang of 5" conferences, and they're not going to squeeze someone out to put JMU in place. Liberty can't even find a conference so they're playing as an independent in FBS. A fool and their money is soon departed.
 
Difficult to differentiate media markets between Lynchburg and Harrisonburg.
 
We do not want Monmouth. If we are going to add someone it should be either chatty, Charleston south, furman, the Citadel, or maybe even Mercer. Monmouth is not of the quality that we want.
 
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C-USA or whatever it becomes could be a possibility after it implodes, but it won’t be an attractive landing spot.
 
Would have to imagine that Nova would have the same feeling. I know that they are in a lot of flux with Talley's retirement, but especially if they'd be making the same move it looks a whole lot better.
 
If the Barneys go FBS, I hope they get their tails beat every week. Several 0-11 and 0-12 in a row for those Dillweeds would be fine by me!
 
Monmouth would be probably the most logical addition for the CAA considering its all sports. At that point though we just need to pack it up with WM/Nova and go to the PL. I'm tired of replacing schools like UMASS, ODU, JMU with Stony Brooks, Albanys etc. Bonus points for leaving Rocco stuck with the ruins.
 
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Ferrum Spider said:
Monmouth would be probably the most logical addition for the CAA considering its all sports. At that point though we just need to pack it up with WM/Nova and go to the PL. I'm tired of replacing schools like UMASS, ODU, JMU with Stony Brooks, Albanys etc. Bonus points for leaving Rocco stuck with the ruins.
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Like the idea of the bonus for Mr. Rocco, but you know they are in line for the Sun Belt at some point. ;)
 
Albany is ranked. Stony Brook was ranked for a good chunk of last year.

Some of the programs they replaced like Hofstra and Northeastern weren't exactly world beaters. ODU on the high end and Georgia State on the low end don't count...we hardly knew ye. UMass was decent. Elon had potential but hasn't found it yet.

JMU would obviously be a big loss for the CAA, but I'm not as down on some of our more recent conference additions as some here are. Delaware's issues and W&M's rough patch have had as much to do with the CAA slipping a bit compared to other conferences.
 
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Albany is ranked. Stony Brook was ranked for a good chunk of last year.

Some of the programs they replaced like Hofstra and Northeastern weren't exactly world beaters. ODU on the high end and Georgia State on the low end don't count...we hardly knew ye. UMass was decent. Elon had potential but hasn't found it yet.

JMU would obviously be a big loss for the CAA, but I'm not as down on some of our more recent conference additions as some here are. Delaware's issues and W&M's rough patch have had as much to do with the CAA slipping a bit compared to other conferences.
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I get that Albany and STB are solid additions, just ones we don't have much in common with and personally don't have much interest in developing a rivalry with. ODU was a step above these programs considering they moved up and we do play them in every other sport....UMASS was a has been at the time of their departure but they were a traditional rival I enjoyed playing for 20 some straight years.

If/when JMU/Delaware leave, I don't see who can come in and replace them in terms of competition AND tradition. Monmouth doesn't move the needle like a JMU or even Delaware would. I don't see the point of staying in the CAA at that point, especially if WM/NOVA would make the jump. We have more history with Lehigh, Lafayette, Colgate and Georgetown then we would any replacement. Add WM, NOVA, and Fordham to the schedule and that looks more appetizing to me then whats leftover in the CAA.
 
I've been saying it and I'll say it again. We would still have a very solid conference if we added any of the Citadel, Charleston southern, Furman, Chatanooga, Wofford, Samford, or even Mercer. I think we need more southeast region teams in the CAA for football anyway so the league should reach out to any of those schools. Here's an outside the box idea: NC A&T. I guarantee y'all they would have made the playoffs out of the CAA last year. I know we beat them bad but they were better than several teams in our league last season.
The patriot is never something we should consider because it is a one bid league. The CAA just needs to add a few teams and see where it goes.
 
I think college football will see a major shift in the not too distant future. The power conferences will break away and the G5, 6, 7 or whatever will merge with FCS and reshuffle the conferences to a more regional basis. Maybe strike a compromise at 75 scholarships. Those that don't cut it may drop football all together. Just follow the money.
 
whampas said:
I think college football will see a major shift in the not too distant future. The power conferences will break away and the G5, 6, 7 or whatever will merge with FCS and reshuffle the conferences to a more regional basis. Maybe strike a compromise at 75 scholarships. Those that don't cut it may drop football all together. Just follow the money.
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Would Richmond be willing to do that if such merger between G5 and FCS were to occur? If not, then the leftover FCS teams could be seen as division 1-AAA instead of 1-AA
 
spiderstudent17 said:
Would Richmond be willing to do that if such merger between G5 and FCS were to occur? If not, then the leftover FCS teams could be seen as division 1-AAA instead of 1-AA
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I think the P5 bolts, creates their own governing body and leaves the G5 and FCS to the NCAA.
 
VT_Spider said:
I've been saying it and I'll say it again. We would still have a very solid conference if we added any of the Citadel, Charleston southern, Furman, Chatanooga, Wofford, Samford, or even Mercer. I think we need more southeast region teams in the CAA for football anyway so the league should reach out to any of those schools. Here's an outside the box idea: NC A&T. I guarantee y'all they would have made the playoffs out of the CAA last year. I know we beat them bad but they were better than several teams in our league last season.
The patriot is never something we should consider because it is a one bid league. The CAA just needs to add a few teams and see where it goes.
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Considering the lack of any TV contract, there is zero motivation for any of those schools to join the CAA.
 
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The SoCon was ranked ahead of the CAA last year. We’re not raiding them.
 
Ferrum Spider said:
Monmouth would be probably the most logical addition for the CAA considering its all sports. At that point though we just need to pack it up with WM/Nova and go to the PL. I'm tired of replacing schools like UMASS, ODU, JMU with Stony Brooks, Albanys etc. Bonus points for leaving Rocco stuck with the ruins.
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What is it with you folks and the Patriot league, it would be a huge step down for no benefits.


http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ranking-the-fcs-conferences-052517

Look at this ranking
 
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The CAA needs to be revamped anyway. I want Rhode Island kicked out immediately, and replaced with someone pretty good. Elon I think should be given a few more years for them to get competitive and if they don't they should be booted as well. I think adding one more team would be a good move too. We are in the one of the best if not the best league in the nation at our level and it's time the league takes pride in its self and makes moves to be the best. That means new teams and a TV deal.
 
I-M-UR said:
What is it with you folks and the Patriot league, it would be a huge step down for no benefits.


http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ranking-the-fcs-conferences-052517

Look at this ranking
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Lol you folks? Just saying what I'd like to see when JMU leaves and if Monmouth replaced them. Some people may want to stay on a sinking ship. The conference doesn't even have a relevant TV contract heading into the season.

You're using a subjective article to try and prove your point? The article itself said it probably was ranking them lower then they should be in the article. PL was ranked 6th in the NPI so a move along with WM/nova would bring far more credibility to the league and do you really think the CAA will remain that strong if JMU departed along with the other schools?

I don't want JMU or any other teams to leave really, but if they do it's worth discussing all options.
 
VT_Spider said:
I've been saying it and I'll say it again. We would still have a very solid conference if we added any of the Citadel, Charleston southern, Furman, Chatanooga, Wofford, Samford, or even Mercer. I think we need more southeast region teams in the CAA for football anyway so the league should reach out to any of those schools. Here's an outside the box idea: NC A&T. I guarantee y'all they would have made the playoffs out of the CAA last year. I know we beat them bad but they were better than several teams in our league last season.
The patriot is never something we should consider because it is a one bid league. The CAA just needs to add a few teams and see where it goes.
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There you go again reverting to your FRS mentality. I guess it will be a matter of two steps forward and, hopefully, no more than two steps back with you.
There are far too many schools southern in the CAA already. Our association (along with Nova and W&M) with the Patriot League would make that conference a FCS juggernaut. Additionally, we would be associating with academic peers. The schools you name are schools which should be associating with Delaware and JMU, their intellectual equals.
 
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There you go again reverting to your FRS mentality. I guess it will be a matter of two steps forward and, hopefully, no more than two steps back with you.
There are far too many schools southern in the CAA already. Our association (along with Nova and W&M) with the Patriot League would make that conference a FCS juggernaut. Additionally, we would be associating with academic peers. The schools you name are schools which should be associating with Delaware and JMU, their intellectual equals.
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Putting us and the Indians and Villanova in the patriot won't make it a juggernaut league. The Indians aren't exactly that great of a program and I think they will lose a lot of t of credibility once laycock retires. The patriot league is a second tier fcs conference, just a step above d2 ball. If we move down to the patriot it clearly shows that we do not care about football. The CAA will ALAWYS be the better league. If we were ever to switch conferences we should go to the SoCon, which is just about the same as the CAA and adding us would put them ahead. Doesn't matter though because we aren't leaving the SEC of fcs football for any reason. We are fine where we are.
 
Does the Patriot have a full # of schollies now? And don't they have some academic limitations placed on who they recruit?
 
urfan1 said:
Does the Patriot have a full # of schollies now? And don't they have some academic limitations placed on who they recruit?
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They have 60 scholarships, and walk-ons who receive financial aid count against the 60 scholarships. They also do not have red shirts.
 
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Spidermaniac said:
They have 60 scholarships, and walk-ons who receive financial aid count against the 60 scholarships. They also do not have red shirts.
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that would be a deal breaker for me -- would think Villanova and W&M would feel the same
 
wr70beh said:
According to this article a couple of weeks ago, some of the coaches are lobbying for routine redshirting (they allow medical redshirts) and 3 extra scholarships.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh/index.ssf/2017/07/time_for_patriot_league_to_all.html

The article even says if they offered redshirts, that Nova, W&M and us would find PL football palatable.
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Well I would never find PL football "palatable". Not sure what that even means as far as football. I will lose a lot of respect for UR if we drop down to a league that is a step above D2. I don't care if the Indians and Nova do because we are a step above both of them already.
 
Of the 12 CAA football members only 5 of the 12 members are full members.If JMU were to bolt there
would be only 4 full members(WM,UD,Elon,Towson) and 7 associate members.

UR should develop a contingency plan in conjunction with Nova if JMU does decide to bolt.

Settling for a Patriot League solution would be short sighted.UR is better than that.

Am not convinced that remaining with a watered down CAA is a good solution for UR either.

D'Antonio et al from the CAA fell on their face by not getting a TV deal.Time for UR to move on
and develop a top tier Eastern FCS conference which would get noticed by fans and TV networks alike.
 
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