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The Aidan Noyes revenge game!!! 
If he plays.
I think we should have him and Tanner play a game of 1:1 pre game, just for fun.
If he plays.
I think we should have him and Tanner play a game of 1:1 pre game, just for fun.
I'm not feeling like we have a 61% chance of winning.
but I'm usually wrong ... so that's good.
Their last game was against MTSU on Saturday, and he was in street clothes.
It would end in a zero-zero tie. Both guys would just look to pass the ball and never take a shot.The Aidan Noyes revenge game!!!
If he plays.
I think we should have him and Tanner play a game of 1:1 pre game, just for fun.
Belmont - one of the not so terrible games on our schedule. And really when you go back and look - a program that has done a lot of winning at the mid-major level. They had Rick Byrd for many years - who took them to Division 1 and then led them to 8 NCAA tourneys in 23 years. With the last 9 years winning 20 or more games each season. Then they bring in former player Casey Alexander to take over when he retired - and the winning continues - 5 years of 20+ win seasons. 1 NCAA tourney (canceled due to COVID).
Positive outlook - Spiders win this game, but comes down to the wire. Roche hits a 3 in the last minute to give UR the lead, and then free throws seal it up. Spiders win 67-64. The win streak begins before A10 play.
Negative outlook - Spiders take early lead, but then go dry in the 2nd half. Belmont pulls away and Aidan Noyes gets his revenge and plays 20 minutes, and grabs 7 rebounds and scores 12 points. Belmont 71 - UR 65
Positive outlook - Spiders win this game, but comes down to the wire. Roche hits a 3 in the last minute to give UR the lead, and then free throws seal it up. Spiders win 67-64. The win streak begins before A10 play.
Negative outlook - Spiders take early lead, but then go dry in the 2nd half. Belmont pulls away and Aidan Noyes gets his revenge and plays 20 minutes, and grabs 7 rebounds and scores 12 points. Belmont 71 - UR 65
"I'll take negative outlook for one thousand, Alex"
Looked back at Belmont - Byrd was a great coach. Took them to D1 from NAIA, and was there for 23 years and made it to 8 NCAA tourneys (never won a game in tourney). 5 of those tourney appearances were from Atlantic Sun conference and then 3 in Ohio Valley, and now they are in the Missouri Valley Conference.
We have had Mooney for 19 years (this year is 20th). Obviously A10 is tougher league, but one that lends itself to potential at-large bids that Belmont is usually out of reach cause of their league. 3 NCAA appearances in 19 seasons, with a win and sweet 16 appearance.
But who do you think had/has it tougher - Belmont - who likely has to win their league every year to get a bid, but it seems no matter what league they enter - they do that. Or UR - play in a tougher league, so at large is possible, but tougher competition in league makes it more difficult to make NCAA. Both are mid-majors, but UR is at higher end and Belmont is probably in middle now with MVC.
We have had Mooney for 19 years (this year is 20th). Obviously A10 is tougher league, but one that lends itself to potential at-large bids that Belmont is usually out of reach cause of their league. 3 NCAA appearances in 19 seasons, with a win and sweet 16 appearance.
But who do you think had/has it tougher - Belmont - who likely has to win their league every year to get a bid, but it seems no matter what league they enter - they do that. Or UR - play in a tougher league, so at large is possible, but tougher competition in league makes it more difficult to make NCAA. Both are mid-majors, but UR is at higher end and Belmont is probably in middle now with MVC.
8 ncaa appearances in 23 years! That’s like one every three years. Are teams really allowed to participate in the NCAA tourney that often?
And we're 1 in every 6 1/3 year. Would beg for their success which is much more reasonable and acceptable. If CM achieved that at UR, I do believe many on here would not be as critical, but reality is that's not the case.
8legs1dream
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have no idea how it's going to go but really looking forward to this game. The best team both legacy wise and rankings wise we will play at home in the non-conference so a win here would be especially meaningful all things considered. VERY interested to see what kind of game Noyes is about to drop on us.
I dunno. Just checked his stats, and nothing to glow about this season. Thought he had good upside 2 years ago, but when given opportunity last year he was pretty invisible. Once benched and later injured didn’t see much more playing time. I do agree with CM on that move.
Time will tell. But we've done nothing this year to warrant this respect.
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I agree. Didn't see much from Noyes when he was here - so no real worry about him leaving. But on that same note - on this board it has been talked how great the current frosh class is and even with them redshirting, they provide a foundation for the future. But in the 19 years at UR - how many redshirt FROSH have turned out to be impact players for us? I have not had time to go back and research so I really have no idea.
I'm going to guess none. but I do think this could be different. we weren't bringing in blocks of upper class transfers before. without the transfers I think JRob and McG would be playing. we thought the transfers would block the true freshmen from getting meaningful minutes.
same thing could happen next year. doesn't mean Richardson, Harper and Argabright aren't really good. but if scholarshipped rosters are expanding to 15 and we add some upperclass transfers, there won't be time for everyone.
Good question on redshirts. However, redshirting in the NIL & Portal Era is a dangerous proposition. Maybe the players stay or maybe they go.
Remember - the original intent was to redshirt Cam (our QB) this year in football. I guess the question is - did he feel his value was enhanced from his really good year as starting after Wofford game, or would he have left after being relegated to redshirt? A question we'll never know answer to.
Bottom line - no guarantees with redshirts if they'll stay or if they'll develop over time.
agreed, but we didn't relegate McG or JRob to redshirt. it was presented. they chose it. gives them 5 years of paid college plus NIL. I'd probably jump at that too unless I was expected in the top 7.
no guarantee they use it all here, but they get it.
I don't see how this makes sense. If you are good and ready to play, there shouldn't even be a consideration of a redshirt.
I agree guys get buried behind other guys in the rotation, but what if jnjuries occur? Or, what if these guys are pretty good and get even better and better as the year goes on? Or, what if we come out the first 9 games and look like a really bad basketball team whose roster doesn't fit, who is slow and non athletic, and can't shoot? Wouldn't we want these players to now play and possibly give us a spark if they are really good players, as you said our redshirts might be?
But still the question remains - forget NIL and portal. We have 2 frosh this year, who are redshirting. Have we had any redshirts in the Mooney area that have turned out to be impactful players (key starters) in his time here.
I am not considering are they ready to play this year or not. I am trying to see - have we had guys redshirt and then become impact players for us. I can't think of any off the top of my head. Nelson-Ododa? Did he redshirt?
I am not considering are they ready to play this year or not. I am trying to see - have we had guys redshirt and then become impact players for us. I can't think of any off the top of my head. Nelson-Ododa? Did he redshirt?
But, it was likely presented to them in a "you are buried behind guys and I don't see an avenue for playing time this year, what do you think about redshirting this year" way, right? I don't see any other way a coach would bring up redshirting. Do you? So, they chose this because their coach all but told them they won't get minutes this year. We hadn't even played a game. We had a bunch of new guys here, so it wasn't like we had Jacob and Grant and those teams who we knew had great talent to keep guys buried on the bench.
I have lost a lot of hope in these guys and can't help but question their talent level and future abilty to help if they are redshirting and guaranteed 0 minutes a game when we have a roster that deperately needs some help right now.
And, my hopes of them making an impact have lowered dramatically. Freshmen are playing all over college basketball because these fresmen have played hundreds of competitive games year round and are ready to help now. So, with our team being as bad as it is, we have a couple freshmen who are redshirting and giving us 0% chance to help with our struggles this year.
We have played plenty of freshmen here, so if you are good enough, obviously you will play. My guess is these guys are a lot closer to Tanner and Noyes than Tyler, but I would still like to see some good minutes so we can find out for sure.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
So, your answer is Zero to the number of impact players we had that redshirted during Mooney's entire tenure. But then think that Jrob and McG will be break that 20 year body of evidence to the contrary.
Even though, we probably have our least talented team during Mooney's tenure and neither of them are able to beat out the current competition for minutes.
I'm gonna go with Mooney's track record here and say that he is redshirting them because neither of them are ready to play college ball. If either of them were some super talented prospect, Mooney would have them on the court right now. Which you also state as one of our Mooney principals, is that Mooney is always going to play the best players. So, in a roster of 13 players, JRob and McG are 12 and 13, while the Top 11 are busy getting their asses handed to them by Marist and Bucknell.
we'll see. let's look at Burton as an example. if the portal was as active back then as it is now and we were bringing in upperclass transfers, then I don't know that Burton (as good as he ended up) would have gotten the 14 mpg and 4.6 ppg he got as a freshman.
I think we only had 11 active scholarshipped players in 2019-20:
Gilyard
Golden
Sherod
Cayo
Francis
Goose
Burton
Verbinskis
Wojcik
Koureissi
Grace
what if we had hit the portal and landed a grad transfer like Dusan and a junior like AP to fill out the 13 man roster? what if we didn't miss on Verbinskis and Koureissi?
Burton might have been in the same spot at JRob and McG ... not getting the early opportunity. and we'd have been wondering if he was a bust.
I think Trey Davis was a frosh redshirt, but not sure I could classify him as an impact player by the end.
Paul Friendshuh - think he had injury as frosh and redshirted? Never turned into anything for UR.
Grant Golden - he was actually playing as a frosh, so not sure I would count him. Then he had injury (cardiac) - and was given redshirt. So I don't think he redshirts if that issue doesn't appear - so I would not count for this instance.
Noyes - he redshirted, didn't play and transferred out.
So point is - not much track record on our Redshirts turning out to be impact players. And I think its only tougher now for them to do so - because higher probability a transfer comes in, and is better and takes their minutes for a year - thereby possibly slowing their development.
Paul Friendshuh - think he had injury as frosh and redshirted? Never turned into anything for UR.
Grant Golden - he was actually playing as a frosh, so not sure I would count him. Then he had injury (cardiac) - and was given redshirt. So I don't think he redshirts if that issue doesn't appear - so I would not count for this instance.
Noyes - he redshirted, didn't play and transferred out.
So point is - not much track record on our Redshirts turning out to be impact players. And I think its only tougher now for them to do so - because higher probability a transfer comes in, and is better and takes their minutes for a year - thereby possibly slowing their development.
I'm saying that a month ago nobody thought, as you put it, "we probably have our least talented team during Mooney's tenure".
yes, Mooney could come to the decision that he and everyone else was totally wrong on AP and Dusan. JRob and McG are better. let's pivot.
or he might still believe Dusan and AP are good players who have gotten off to a poor start. I don't know. heck, JRob and McG might also be awful in practice, getting dominated by D'Entremont. might be total busts. I don't know! we'll have to wait and see. but I'm not writing them off just because we haven't burned their shirts yet.
If either of these guys resembled Burton in any way shape or form, Mooney would have them in the line-up faster than the guy who fills his sippy cup. Burton got minutes a starting line-up of Gilly, Blake, Golden, Cayo, and Sherod, one of our best starting line-up Mooney put on the floor, including 2 all time greats.
But JRob and McGlothin are redshirting with a team that is getting out talented, out performed by teams like Charlotte, Marist, and Bucknell and just absorbed our worst loss in the history of his coaching tenure.
But JRob and McGlothin are redshirting with a team that is getting out talented, out performed by teams like Charlotte, Marist, and Bucknell and just absorbed our worst loss in the history of his coaching tenure.
great starting 5, but no depth after Goose. yes, Burton was better as a freshman than Verbinskis and Koureissi. that was likely an easy call.
I think Burton would have got on the court with Glou and Dusan coming in. Just like I believe to be the case with Jrob, Burton brought day 1 skills that translate at this level.
We have had a couple reports on here that Jrob was killing it in practice and the internal scrimmage.
I feel like it is a big issue that Mooney is pushing the redshirt. Either he misjudged the talent coming in, or misjudged these guys. And the fact that he put together this BAD of a schedule leads me to believe he thought this would be a major rebuild. The other option though is the worst, and may be the truest, Mooney recruited bad in the portal, in the HS ranks, and did not have any pull or connections to get anything accomplished scheduling.
If it quacks like a duck.
We have had a couple reports on here that Jrob was killing it in practice and the internal scrimmage.
I feel like it is a big issue that Mooney is pushing the redshirt. Either he misjudged the talent coming in, or misjudged these guys. And the fact that he put together this BAD of a schedule leads me to believe he thought this would be a major rebuild. The other option though is the worst, and may be the truest, Mooney recruited bad in the portal, in the HS ranks, and did not have any pull or connections to get anything accomplished scheduling.
If it quacks like a duck.
don't expect it, but would love JOC to pose the question:
"we heard great things about the 2 redshirted freshmen this summer. how are they progressing and is there any talk about taking off their redshirts to see if they can help?"
"we heard great things about the 2 redshirted freshmen this summer. how are they progressing and is there any talk about taking off their redshirts to see if they can help?"
Yes, please. That is a legitimate question that is asked of any D-1 college coach whose team is struggling. Mooney of course will become all bristly if he is asked but the question needs to asked, either at the coaches show or by media. And we know Philly Bob ain't asking that.
Seriously? You don't think Tyler's combination of talent and athletic abilty would have gotten him minutes as a freshmen if the portal were the same? You really think Dusan and AP would have beaten him out? Also, would we have even landed anyone very good in the portal anyway, knowing we had our whole team returning. No portal addition would have started that year, so you are miles off comparing 2020 to this team talent wise anyway. Bottom line is Tyler got over 14 mpg as a freshman on a very talented team. Robinson and McGlothin are redshirting on a very flawed, non athletic, slow, non shooting team.
No depth after Goose? We don't go 24-7 without depth. Only Jacob and Blake played over 30 mpg, and we used our bench a lot. Goose, Tyler, and Wojcik played over 19, 14, and 11 mpg, and we had Grace backing up Grant. Wow, Sman, you are way out there on this one, acting like Tyler wasn't that good as a freshman and only played because we didn't have guys like AP and Dusan in front of him? Come on, man!!
Certainly they r not quite good enough is reasonable. But don't discount the alternative I brought up. That student17 said was an impossibility. But I think has traction. That Mooney is doing his reset/new cycle with hs recruits. Redshirt these 2 frosh, add them to the 3 incoming (2 of whom from Richmond - good pr), & u have beginnings of Next Best Class.
why? because Moon knows his contract. he knows under zero pressure. that u can have down years here. He runs at 40% down years which is unheard of just ike 9-25 vs crosstown rival. that there r no repercussions. so start anew. and he's laid the foundation with his going back to hs recruits talk. that they'll all stay for 4 or 5 years now. Actually I could buy the pendulum would swing back a little bc Covid is over. Except for fact that we're now in pay for play pro sports.
idk but I'm not expecting we'll be heavy in portal next off season. 1. Moon comments. 2. Kirby Mooney and Graham will both be on scholarship with 15 count max roster. Unless they grandfather those in tbd. 3. u got a big class of frosh that will be pointed to as Next Best Class. we will start to hear that a little.
but the redhsirting of BM and JR is part of what makes that work. the future is bright. when all those guys are juniors maybe it's lightnining in a bottle NCAA time. By then perfect timing with contract status.
Ryan Butler closest. But he actually had injury too. Foot. Even tho I think a developmental shirt would have been good for him regardless. In general I don't think u can count medical redshirting, those r much different. We've benefitted occasionally from those b4. But pure developmental ones under Moon? Not that I recall.
Jermaine Bucknor was a great one. But that was under Beilein who knew what he was doing.
yeah that question will not be asked. Another fair question is will the walk ons be on scholarship and/or roster next season with the new roster cap? Granted that one can wait until end of season, but it won't be asked either.
sorry VT. just calling it like I see it. super strong top 5. Goose was a nice #6. Burton played a decent amount because there was no #7.
you're telling me Wojcik was real strong depth that year with his 3 ppg? who else on 2019-20 team you want to reminisce about? we weren't deep. we lacked talent further down the roster after Burton.
it appears we're not talented or deep this year too, and we certainly don't have the top 5 that we had in 2019-20. but going into the season we thought we had talent and depth. Dusan was a scorer. AP was a UConn recruit. GW3 from Michigan. we were worried how to find enough time for all the talent we had.
I still hope freshman Burton may be a good comp for JRob. both are super athletic. Robinson maybe even moreso. Burton didn't come in as a shooter.
