Laughable, the homers are no where to be found
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8legs1dream
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Their playbook is easy to follow. They will return after we win our next game and act like nothing ever happened.
They’ll pull out some obscure individual stat for one of the players and say we’re going to make some noise in DC in March.
#firemooney
#firemooney
I’d prefer we not ridicule the guys who support Mooney on this board. They’re all die hard fans, and while I don’t agree with them on Mooney, I appreciate their fandom.
I think we can find better ways to disagree than after a tough loss to give them an “I told you so”.
I think we can find better ways to disagree than after a tough loss to give them an “I told you so”.
Am I in the homer group? I’m an optimistic sports fan by nature and find myself always hoping the best for this team. Usually that means supporting the team and players on this board.
I am a big NY Giants fan as well, though I love our Spiders more. The Giants have been absolutely awful the last 10 years after winning the super bowl in 2008 and 2011, both when Tom Coughlin was the head coach.
Following these SB victories and after a few bad seasons, the fan base was really torn on what to do with TC, many calling for him to be fired. I thought it was absurd to fire a coach that won two super bowls for us and still am upset to this day how we treated Tom In the end. You don’t fire a coach that was near the end of his career given how much success he had and given he clearly knew how to win.
It definitely did not work out for the giants. In the many years since, they’ve been dreadful and have been through at least 3 head coaches with the most recent coach being hired again this offseason.
Chris Mooney is not Tom Coughlin. His greatest accomplishment by far was a 2011 sweet 16 run that capitalized on one of our best players of all-time: Kevin Anderson.
Like many of you, I can’t explain the protection and dedication our school has towards Mooney. I really don’t think he has earned it.
Change is hard and status quo is always easier, but that doesn’t mean it’s right. Let’s hope for a change this off-season and we are able to get this program back on track!
I am a big NY Giants fan as well, though I love our Spiders more. The Giants have been absolutely awful the last 10 years after winning the super bowl in 2008 and 2011, both when Tom Coughlin was the head coach.
Following these SB victories and after a few bad seasons, the fan base was really torn on what to do with TC, many calling for him to be fired. I thought it was absurd to fire a coach that won two super bowls for us and still am upset to this day how we treated Tom In the end. You don’t fire a coach that was near the end of his career given how much success he had and given he clearly knew how to win.
It definitely did not work out for the giants. In the many years since, they’ve been dreadful and have been through at least 3 head coaches with the most recent coach being hired again this offseason.
Chris Mooney is not Tom Coughlin. His greatest accomplishment by far was a 2011 sweet 16 run that capitalized on one of our best players of all-time: Kevin Anderson.
Like many of you, I can’t explain the protection and dedication our school has towards Mooney. I really don’t think he has earned it.
Change is hard and status quo is always easier, but that doesn’t mean it’s right. Let’s hope for a change this off-season and we are able to get this program back on track!
Not sure about your fandom, but you are terrible at handicapping games.
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Guys it all boils down to winning. All of us want the same thing. Anyone that is comfortable with where we are now as a program has non basketball reasons!
This is the damn truth. Do people care about the program or about defending an individual? Pick your side.
Not so sure the school thinks it boils down to winning. And that's a real shame. But at this point, if the school doesn't make some real changes in the athletic department and of course in the basketball program, we all need to find something else to care about. Im already half as interested as i used to be about Spider Athletics, but im about to give it up completely on basketball. A lot of us have already stopped donatonating and buying season tickets, but if you haven't done so yet please do. I'm not sure the school really cares about it, but it's all we can do. We also need to hammer the local radio shows with calls and texts to make them cover this disaster. The lack of leadership and accountability at UR has come to a head.
maybe we win a10 tournament now
Call in and tell the Brown Nose Bob screener you want to talk about baseball and they will let you through.
Really? If I step out with and opinion, I realize I run the risk of being wrong, and I just take it. Maybe even admit I erred? It’s part of vocalizing your opinion. I don’t think there is any real animosity
4700 is gone. Ulla is gone. UR80s is getting ridiculed in every thread. So it's probably true that they are all gone. This board is pretty much an echo chamber.
Kneepad, you’re right, perhaps I went to far. I’d love to hear your opinion of the game last night and the state of our basketball program that we all love and want to see be the best it can be.
Never mind, saw your reply on another thread. Welcome aboard 👍
Agreed here. We always think that the school doesn’t care about calling in to radio shows and other forms of public criticism but I think they actually do. They were pissed about the billboard for example. If we pepper radio shows and bobs show in particular I think we will get a reaction out of them. If the reaction is nothing more than them just saying they stand by mooney well than that’s good enough for me. That at least shows me where they stand and where I will stand going forward which is me moving on until the overall vision changes.
4700 isn't gone...was on the board today. Ulla was shown the door when he repeatedly doxxed posters.
Noted on your point though and agree.
More specifically to this game, it did feel different to be honest. The 2019-2020 team was fun, tough, and won. I was and am in the camp that believes they would have been in the tournament. Last year's team was disappointing for many reasons, but I do think the COVID issues had something to do with the end result. Not an excuse, because I believe we should have been able to overcome it regardless. But it did give me a reason to believe that this year, presuming no COVID issues, could be a rebound to the 2019-2020 team.
Last night's game felt like the full exposure of all that is systematically insufficient.
We systematically favor "skill" over toughness. I'd prefer toughness. Just by way of example, I agree with the announcers that remark that Grace is a skilled player at 6-10. But that didn't help him one bit as he drove past their guy, who hand checked him out of bounds into a turnover, because duh, the refs ain't gonna call that. So we are simply not going to beat teams that are tougher than us on a regular basis. Maybe we will if we make 40%+ on three pointers, but that's pretty rare. So St. Louis, VCU, St. Bonnie's, Dayton. Those teams are going to beat us as long as this remains our philosophy.
Second, we systematically do not pressure or go for offensive rebounds. KenPom has statistically proven that being good at those enhance your chances of success. But Mooney very clearly does not value analytics. And he has shown he is very, very reluctant to change philosophy. So this is a systematic disadvantage that won't change because our Coach simply doesn't believe in it.
We only run one defense. I cannot fathom why you wouldn't practice or be able to employ different defenses in the course of a game to throw off the rhythm of the other team, even if for a 4 minute stretch. This is systematic.
But mostly, we are systematically bad at the fundamentals of man to man defense. It doesn't appear to me that it will change.
I think last nights game was the curtain being pulled back, and I'm thankful for Ace Baldwin just saying it outright that they run Richmond. It was obvious that our coach had no answer, but worse, won't look for one outside of the same things we already do.
I actually feel a twinge of hope that last night's beatdown was so comprehensive and revealing that it will be hard for John Hardt to ignore it.
Agree with all … never would have predicted how things would have gone
(perhaps naively) after where it seems we were headed in Feb 2020 …
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This is a brilliant post and summarizes everything beautifully. Thank you for taking time on a Saturday to articulate this so well
I think you hit the nail on the head. Mooney’s philosophy only works if we don’t miss.
The analysis is good. In fact a lot of it has come up over and over. No amount of tweaks is going to change this. Nothing will change until we get a new Coach.
yep and we don’t really have a roster made up of great shooters to rely on a system based on shooting exceptionally well from 3. This team seems to play better uptempo and playing inside out but yet when push comes to shove (literally against VCU) we cower and just start jacking up threes.
Our dimensions are way to narrow. Mooney puts too many eggs into too few baskets. I have said before but will repeat - Our fundamentals are either weak or missing in too many categories. This is a top down (coach and his system priorities) problem.
This is not on the players. They are playing into the choices Mooney has made, and those choices have failed us too long.
Yep, many of the same issues we have been pointing out over and over and over. No changes, sloth like to adapt.
Mooney has this idiotic notion that is you do one thing well on the court, you cannot do others well or even passable. And good point on defense, he has no ability to implement any kind of change up, or alternate defense to adapt to what the offense is doing.
Mooney has this idiotic notion that is you do one thing well on the court, you cannot do others well or even passable. And good point on defense, he has no ability to implement any kind of change up, or alternate defense to adapt to what the offense is doing.
Disagree this place is an echo chamber. It's just pretty much the last bastion of Mooney supporters have left the building. The only folks left to defend Mooney are those on payroll, close personal friends, family, some ex-players.
The roof has caved in. He's had the past 2 years with his self described "best class ever" and both have gone down in epic disappointment and underachievement.
You can see his knowledge of this fact by watching and listening to him. He is going through the motions at this point.
The roof has caved in. He's had the past 2 years with his self described "best class ever" and both have gone down in epic disappointment and underachievement.
You can see his knowledge of this fact by watching and listening to him. He is going through the motions at this point.
He’s not going anywhere though because the problem is that ya, there are a lot of us who want mooney out but that last little bit unfortunately holds all the power.
The more time that goes by the more I'm realizing how effed up this situation is; from Mooney, Hardt, PQ and BOT. It feels more and more hopeless. I'm getting very close to just checking out of this mess. I did receive, just this morning, a "giving request." Don't hold your breath UR.
I personally have seen the light. We need a change.
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You guys seemed very worried about this before so letting you know the past week has been very good. Go Spiders!
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