Jay Wright stepping down, Kyle Neptune to take over
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Why would he worry about players leaving Nova? I'm not buying it.
Wow, very interesting. Guess he didn't want to get down and dirty like coach k. Oh sorry can't say anything bad about k on here.
The article below is about Izzo’s view of the portal, but I am positive that Jay Wright would echo the same thing. I also think that Mooney would fall into this category as well.
Tom Izzo on NCAA's transfer portal: 'It's bad for the kids'
Izzo said he's sure there are positives, but the portal has drawbacks as well...
It simply is a new era in basketball and the changing of the guard is underway.
For real. First time they've had any hope since the Wittenberg years and lose him.
So I like Jay Wright. Very good coach, good guy. But calling out NIL and transfers?
He's a coach who makes (checks figures) $6 million a year. Perhaps in the last 30 years he and the other millionaire coaches could have figured out a way to share revenue with the players who create the massive revenue source that has made him wildly wealthy?
He supported the Fordham coach leaving on a minute's notice but in the same breath thinks those Fordham players should not have the exact same option to immediately move to a school that best benefits their chances at success?
It's a new era but not for the worse. The players playing the games are why we log in to this message board. They deserve a proper share of the revenue they create and the ability to chase success.
He's a coach who makes (checks figures) $6 million a year. Perhaps in the last 30 years he and the other millionaire coaches could have figured out a way to share revenue with the players who create the massive revenue source that has made him wildly wealthy?
He supported the Fordham coach leaving on a minute's notice but in the same breath thinks those Fordham players should not have the exact same option to immediately move to a school that best benefits their chances at success?
It's a new era but not for the worse. The players playing the games are why we log in to this message board. They deserve a proper share of the revenue they create and the ability to chase success.
Good points Brooklyn. And for all my critiques of Mooney, he has won the battle of keeping player much more than others. Good to see him working the portal this year. I do think the coaches get paid very well, while a lot of these players, if not a basketball career of some sort, are not necessarily prepared for success and monetary gain like their coaches. I doubt any of our former players are making 1.3 mil per year. No they did not have to suffer through a billboard for 10 minutes.
This line makes no sense:The article below is about Izzo’s view of the portal, but I am positive that Jay Wright would echo the same thing. I also think that Mooney would fall into this category as well.
Tom Izzo on NCAA's transfer portal: 'It's bad for the kids'
Izzo said he's sure there are positives, but the portal has drawbacks as well...www.si.com
It simply is a new era in basketball and the changing of the guard is underway.
"Izzo also lamented the fact that many players enter the transfer portal with little to no idea where they may transfer to, and oftentimes players who enter the portal don't find their new homes until spending a year or more in the portal."
What? Who are these players stuck in the portal for a full year before choosing their new teams??
I think it’s just become a very different game that the older coaches have a harder time adjusting to. Now you’re constantly recruiting either high schoolers, transfer players, and your own players to stay. I heard he made his decision months ago.
tough break for Fordham fans. Neptune had a monster class coming in, too.
anyone know what to expect with that? despite the popular saying that you are signing with the school, most kids 100% sign with the coach. I bet their incomg 4 star PG is considering his options.
anyone know what to expect with that? despite the popular saying that you are signing with the school, most kids 100% sign with the coach. I bet their incomg 4 star PG is considering his options.
I fail to see how be a college free agent and playing for 3 plus schools during your college years is good for anyone, most of all the college athletes most of whom are not going to play professionally and for whom a college degree, which is entirely paid for as part of their scholarship, is there path to long term success. Given the cost of college right, a 4 year scholarship at many colleges is worth in excess of $200,000. Not a bad deal to play a sport. I wish my kids were so athletically inclined that they could have their entire college education paid for and if they were, I certainly won't be encouraging them to change schools every couple years at the drop of a hat.
I hear you, but you only get one college career. no sense being unhappy.
Yeah, certainly no one should stick at a school were they are genuinely unhappy.
But this whole portal free agency thing I think for many players is less about being unhappy and more about kids always thinking and seeking a greener pasture. Sometimes the greener pasture comes because you work hard, get better, prove yourself in your current situation.
I know I was pretty unhappy with UR after my first year and thought of transferring, but ended up staying and am so glad I did. I had some maturing to do, transferring would have been the easy way out, it wouldn't have solved the problem of me needing some just more life experience to grow though.
The portal has made it far too easy (and I think many kids just like being recruited, who wouldn't you have grown men groveling for your services) for kids to transfer and for most kids I don't think that is doing them any favors long term in life.
This is obviously part of a much larger discussion, but to respond to 97s points, would you have thought it odd if a whole bunch of people chastised you for transferring out after freshman year, when you were genuinely unhappy? For most D-1 basketball players, I imagine that the basketball component shapes their experience almost entirely. If it's not something that's working out, I don't see how mandating they delay further pursuit elsewhere helps them at all.
Let people be happy. If that means they leave because they think they're NBA talent and the coach fails to recognize that - even if they're mistaken - so be it. Duncan Robinson should have just stuck it out in D-III instead of transferring up to a situation he felt was better for him? Sometimes the kid is correct.
And the scholarship equation with actual money and that is somehow a fair trade for the billions the NCAA makes off the games, I don't buy. What is the average financial aid $$ given at UR? I got like a 10k need based grant way back when all costs totalled like 15k, and certainly didn't ever think about that as something that would have ever indebted me to the school if I had wanted to go elsewhere. Not a perfect analogy here but I'm just not going to agree with that equation.
Change is hard. But the players deserve to share in the profits they generate and to have the freedom - like other students do - to go wherever suits them in pursuit of their goals.
Let people be happy. If that means they leave because they think they're NBA talent and the coach fails to recognize that - even if they're mistaken - so be it. Duncan Robinson should have just stuck it out in D-III instead of transferring up to a situation he felt was better for him? Sometimes the kid is correct.
And the scholarship equation with actual money and that is somehow a fair trade for the billions the NCAA makes off the games, I don't buy. What is the average financial aid $$ given at UR? I got like a 10k need based grant way back when all costs totalled like 15k, and certainly didn't ever think about that as something that would have ever indebted me to the school if I had wanted to go elsewhere. Not a perfect analogy here but I'm just not going to agree with that equation.
Change is hard. But the players deserve to share in the profits they generate and to have the freedom - like other students do - to go wherever suits them in pursuit of their goals.
When I see someone like Wright leave out of the blue like this - it makes me wonder - is there an investigation coming? Or does he have an NBA job lined up?
Of course they have no idea where they are transferring to. Unless they are somehow talking with other coaches and visiting other schools while still playing for their previous schools, how else would they know? C'mon Izzo. That's a ridiculous statement.
I wonder now when recruiting HS kids - if you lose them to another school, do you congratulate them and tell them "Hey - if it doesn't work out and you enter the portal - give us a call, we will be interested"
All good points. I just think if you make a commitment to play somewhere, you should do you best to honor that commitment. Obviously, if a kid is really miserable somewhere, if the coach leaves, if they aren't getting PT, certainly they should be able to transfer. But with many of these transfers, that does not appear to be the case.
I realize that things like honoring your commitment, playing through some adversity, might be considered old fashioned values in 2022, but I also think that these values will serve people throughout their life far beyond their basketball playing days.
fair enough. and definitely working through adversity helps build character, hard to dispute that.
but perhaps a lot of things are obscured because there is a zoom out/big picture approach being taken and people are viewing the portal as a whole and are overwhelmed by the numbers, thereby the knee jerk reaction is one of disapproval.
On a more intimate level, does anyone blame Isaiah or Sal for moving on and entering the portal? I certainly don't. I'm sure many of the portal cases are similar but that we just do not know these specific details, and the players get reduced to a statistic and defined by their own statistics, as opposed to being viewed as college guys looking for their best opportunities.
but perhaps a lot of things are obscured because there is a zoom out/big picture approach being taken and people are viewing the portal as a whole and are overwhelmed by the numbers, thereby the knee jerk reaction is one of disapproval.
On a more intimate level, does anyone blame Isaiah or Sal for moving on and entering the portal? I certainly don't. I'm sure many of the portal cases are similar but that we just do not know these specific details, and the players get reduced to a statistic and defined by their own statistics, as opposed to being viewed as college guys looking for their best opportunities.
Yeah, that part was weird too. But he made it sound like a guy who enters the portal today is still in it next June, looking for a team. Is that happening to anyone, much less "many players?"
You lose guys, you go get guys. It is what it is now. It is pretty amazing that we haven't lost any key guys the past few years. But, if we do, well, we are all thrilled with Quinn and Bigelow, and we all want Roche, so kind of hard to call the new system a disaster when we're happy with it when it suits us.
Let the kids go where they want. I don't buy the tough it out where you are talk. Why? College life is short. If you want to try somewhere else, try somewhere else. Think of all these hours these guys put in. It IS about basketball to most of them. If they think a different place suits their basketball needs better, go for it. This doesn't make them bad guys, or guys that can't handle adversity if they do. Many have probably already handled a ton of adversity in their lives, and come out of it with college scholarships. Good for them.
Let the kids go where they want. I don't buy the tough it out where you are talk. Why? College life is short. If you want to try somewhere else, try somewhere else. Think of all these hours these guys put in. It IS about basketball to most of them. If they think a different place suits their basketball needs better, go for it. This doesn't make them bad guys, or guys that can't handle adversity if they do. Many have probably already handled a ton of adversity in their lives, and come out of it with college scholarships. Good for them.
Certainly a tiny, tiny percentage if it is, and not worth his mentioning it. So, I agree, another strange Izzo comment.
Fordham hasn't made this big of an impact on coaching since former player Dick Tarrant took over as Spider Head Coach.............................
Can't fault players for transferring but can fault adults - NCAA - for adding to the pampered snowflake mentality that everything revolves around them................see it in pro sports on a much bigger scale..........not healthy to foster mindset that everything is all about me............and to think there is always something better out there than being grateful for the opportunity I already have...................
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Essentially, college basketball is a minor league for the NBA. We should all stop pretending it will be anything else.
To go back to 97's point, I was miserable my first semester at UR. So were most of the people I later grew to be friends with (most of those friendships continue to this day). None of us were even remotely close to being athletes. If we had been encouraged/permitted/allowed to transfer, who knows where we would be today.
It's a fine line to know if you want to transfer because the school (or the team) is a bad fit versus just getting adjusted to life on your own, in a new place, without the support network you've had around you for 18 years, and in a place like UR, most often competing in the classroom and for leadership roles with pretty much everyone who is as smart/talented as you are, or more so. Then for athletes you add in all the expections placed on them and a higher level of competition on the court/field/track as well. That is a LOT to deal with.
I think what we're seeing this year in the portal is more for a free for all than anyone envisioned with a lot of players thinking they can improve their situation. I hope that most of them are thinking about the whole picture, and not just their "playing time", because let's face it, on our level, most players are not going to transfer themselves "into" a slot where they suddenly get noticed by the NBA. Back in the 80s, the NBA managed to find some guy named Johnny Newman even though he played at a relatively obscure school compared to where we are now. If you're good enough, they will find you anywhere.
It's a fine line to know if you want to transfer because the school (or the team) is a bad fit versus just getting adjusted to life on your own, in a new place, without the support network you've had around you for 18 years, and in a place like UR, most often competing in the classroom and for leadership roles with pretty much everyone who is as smart/talented as you are, or more so. Then for athletes you add in all the expections placed on them and a higher level of competition on the court/field/track as well. That is a LOT to deal with.
I think what we're seeing this year in the portal is more for a free for all than anyone envisioned with a lot of players thinking they can improve their situation. I hope that most of them are thinking about the whole picture, and not just their "playing time", because let's face it, on our level, most players are not going to transfer themselves "into" a slot where they suddenly get noticed by the NBA. Back in the 80s, the NBA managed to find some guy named Johnny Newman even though he played at a relatively obscure school compared to where we are now. If you're good enough, they will find you anywhere.
Except it isn't. Other minor leagues are governed by the major league they support. There are salary structures, contracts, players are drafted and become employees of the major league franchise.
Most kids these days - especially at the D1 basketball level have aspirations of playing professional - either NBA or overseas. I like the commercial the NCAA puts out where is says something like 99% go professional in something other than our sport - meaning 99% get jobs.
But that takes into account all sports. I bet if you looked at the top 15 mens basketball conferences - you have a much higher percentage of guys going PRO. And by PRO - I include playing overseas. Remember - the USA has the NBA and G-League. But every country in Europe has essentially the same setup, and some even have 3 tiers of leagues. Go to Eurobasket.com and you will just in Europe alone - 47 countries have leagues, with most having 2. So there alone you probably have 100 professional leagues. Is there a difference between Estonia and France - of course. But I think a lot of these kids think - if I play in Estonia, and play well - I can work my way up in Europe and eventually make a living out of it. And guys who start out in France or top leagues - are thinking, maybe if I play well here - some NBA teams will notice, but in the meantime - I can make a living and keep playing.
So yeah - the NCAA basketball system is a minor league system, and it feeds not only the NBA and G-League - but over 100 leagues all around the world. And that is why the transfer portal is so significant - cause maybe the difference between ending up in Estonia vs. Germany is transferring up in the NCAA for a season or 2 and showing you can play at a higher level. So its not just NBA - it trickles down all the way to lower leagues in Europe.
But that takes into account all sports. I bet if you looked at the top 15 mens basketball conferences - you have a much higher percentage of guys going PRO. And by PRO - I include playing overseas. Remember - the USA has the NBA and G-League. But every country in Europe has essentially the same setup, and some even have 3 tiers of leagues. Go to Eurobasket.com and you will just in Europe alone - 47 countries have leagues, with most having 2. So there alone you probably have 100 professional leagues. Is there a difference between Estonia and France - of course. But I think a lot of these kids think - if I play in Estonia, and play well - I can work my way up in Europe and eventually make a living out of it. And guys who start out in France or top leagues - are thinking, maybe if I play well here - some NBA teams will notice, but in the meantime - I can make a living and keep playing.
So yeah - the NCAA basketball system is a minor league system, and it feeds not only the NBA and G-League - but over 100 leagues all around the world. And that is why the transfer portal is so significant - cause maybe the difference between ending up in Estonia vs. Germany is transferring up in the NCAA for a season or 2 and showing you can play at a higher level. So its not just NBA - it trickles down all the way to lower leagues in Europe.
