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Little off topic as trying to look ahead.

We expect to return all players next season and only add 1 recruit - Wilson, who is a 5-11 PG.

I assume we have a 1 scholarship open if we choose to use it with Tomas leaving?

I agree - the future is bright for next season and we can likely afford to redshirt Wilson because I just don't see many minutes around, but easy to wait and see on that one next season.

What does UR have coming in the following season - when we will lose the entire starting 5.

Gilyard
Cayo
Francis
Sherod
Golden
 
SpiderTrap said:
Little off topic as trying to look ahead.

We expect to return all players next season and only add 1 recruit - Wilson, who is a 5-11 PG.

I assume we have a 1 scholarship open if we choose to use it with Tomas leaving?

I agree - the future is bright for next season and we can likely afford to redshirt Wilson because I just don't see many minutes around, but easy to wait and see on that one next season.

What does UR have coming in the following season - when we will lose the entire starting 5.

Gilyard
Cayo
Francis
Sherod
Golden
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The sun is shining on our team. This team has strength of character, because they have come through fire together. They have battled through injuries and near death experiences. These Spiders will make noise and they will be seen.
 
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SpiderTrap said:
Little off topic as trying to look ahead.

We expect to return all players next season and only add 1 recruit - Wilson, who is a 5-11 PG.

I assume we have a 1 scholarship open if we choose to use it with Tomas leaving?

I agree - the future is bright for next season and we can likely afford to redshirt Wilson because I just don't see many minutes around, but easy to wait and see on that one next season.

What does UR have coming in the following season - when we will lose the entire starting 5.

Gilyard
Cayo
Francis
Sherod
Golden
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Please don't forget Crabtree. He should be a very strong addition to the team and will bring one year experience as a D1 starter and an additional year practicing with the team. We could potentially have 12 quality players next year if everyone comes back and a possible top 25 preseason ranking.
 
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I'm comfortably sure we're not developmentally redshirting a kid in a one (or hopefully 2) man class. he'll get a few minutes.

I'm also pretty sure we'll bring in another guy, either a late 2020 recruit or a transferring freshman to join Wilson. we're not looking to bring in 6 in the freshman class of 2021.
 
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gospidersgo said:
Noooooooooooooooo!
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Wilson might be good - but where does he play? How many minutes does he get. Right now this year You got Sherod, Gilyard, and Francis on the perimeter. Then you got Gustav, Burton, and Wojcik coming off the bench on the perimeter. Burton and Gustav go on the wing and little down low, but mainly perimeter guys.
So really - if Wilson is better than Wojcik, that is the only place the minutes can come from. And that is possible - but that would mean Wojcik goes from playing 30 minutes a game his frosh year, to about 10 minutes this year (and that will be inflated because he will play more the next few weeks with Francis out), to possibly zero minutes next season. I am not going to say it but you know what I am thinking for Wojcik.
 
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Wilson might be good - but where does he play? How many minutes does he get. Right now this year You got Sherod, Gilyard, and Francis on the perimeter. Then you got Gustav, Burton, and Wojcik coming off the bench on the perimeter. Burton and Gustav go on the wing and little down low, but mainly perimeter guys.
So really - if Wilson is better than Wojcik, that is the only place the minutes can come from. And that is possible - but that would mean Wojcik goes from playing 30 minutes a game his frosh year, to about 10 minutes this year (and that will be inflated because he will play more the next few weeks with Francis out), to possibly zero minutes next season. I am not going to say it but you know what I am thinking for Wojcik.
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So if Wilson is better as a freshman than Gilyard is as a senior, you think he won't play and we need to redshirt him?
 
If a decent player transfers out because we bring in better players, so be it. That's a much better problem to have than the reason that so many guys have transferred out over the last 8 years. The problem is when we recruit guys that have no business being on a D1 team because we have missed on our top targets and have no other choice.
 
SpiderTrap said:
Little off topic as trying to look ahead.

We expect to return all players next season and only add 1 recruit - Wilson, who is a 5-11 PG.

I assume we have a 1 scholarship open if we choose to use it with Tomas leaving?

I agree - the future is bright for next season and we can likely afford to redshirt Wilson because I just don't see many minutes around, but easy to wait and see on that one next season.

What does UR have coming in the following season - when we will lose the entire starting 5.

Gilyard
Cayo
Francis
Sherod
Golden
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I promise that I'm not trying to hijack this thread with a negative "fire Mooney" attack but these next two seasons are going to be huge for the future of Mooney and the program. I understand that there is a ton of basketball left to play this season and that we return everyone next year and the immediate future looks very rosy. What if, for example, we have an NIT year this year and have a 1 and done NCAA appearance next season? Does Mooney get an extension and the last 9 years just get forgotten? We will lose all 5 starters going into the 21-22 season and you would reasonably expect a few years of rebuilding unless Mooney back fills with ready to contribute recruits. A few years would put CM close to 20 years as the head man. As a fan/alum it would be great if we made the NCAA's the next two years, Mooney crushes it on the recruiting trail, and we are right back in the hunt in 21-22 but somewhere in the middle is probably more realistic based on CM's history, etc. Going to be a crazy two years.
 
Gallipoli said:
Close your eyes and repeat "Chris Mooney is a great coach" three times. It will make you feel better. You can click your heels together for effect, if you would like.
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The last 2 years suggest otherwise. Hey, if you want to project your Stockholm Syndrome on the rest of us don't expect a lot of us to buy it.
 
Simply looking at next season, it appears...
Duquesne
Bonnie's
SLU
and UR
are the 4 teams that have had a decent season this year with no major roster losses next year.
 
URWilk110 said:
Stop. Just stop.
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Not sure why I bother to reply to your extreme negativity, but if we finish with 23/25 wins and a NET ranking in the mid 40s it is not a big stretch to think we could be preseason top 25 if everyone comes back. I understand from your perspective that U of R is terrible and we will always be terrible while Mooney is the coach, but a 14-4 record, which ties for our best start to a season in the past 50 years, demonstrates that your are blinded by prejudice.
 
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UR80sfan said:
Not sure why I bother to reply to your extreme negativity, but if we finish with 23/25 wins and a NET ranking in the mid 40s it is not a big stretch to think we could be preseason top 25 if everyone comes back. I understand from your perspective that U of R is terrible and we will always be terrible while Mooney is the coach, but a 14-4 record, which ties for our best start to a season in the past 50 years, demonstrates that your are blinded by prejudice.
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No, he's just being realistic when looking at coach's body of work.
 
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urmite said:
So if Wilson is better as a freshman than Gilyard is as a senior, you think he won't play and we need to redshirt him?
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Do you think that is realistic - that would mean that Wilson is an all A10 caliber player his frosh season as I see Gilyard as a potential 2nd or 3rd Team all A10 selection. I am not saying Wilson won't be good - I have no idea - but if your saying he is better than Gilyard in his Frosh season, then you are saying he is the best recruit to ever walk in the door under the Mooney. Even Kevin Anderson, who I think we can all agree (along with Justin Harper) are the two best players under Mooney did not make the all A10 team in first season. He did win ROY - but also remember, had no one in front of him as well to compete for minutes.
Yes - best players should play, and at some schools - a frosh can knock off a highly regarded upperclassmen. But this usually happens at a place like Kentucky where they bring in future NBA players, not UR. We don't bring in high impact frosh who take the league by storm right away. Even Burton this year - who I think has played very well and is doing what we need him to do is only getting 3 points and 3 rebounds a game, and I think he is one of the better frosh Mooney has brought in the last few years.
 
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Do you think that is realistic - that would mean that Wilson is an all A10 caliber player his frosh season as I see Gilyard as a potential 2nd or 3rd Team all A10 selection. I am not saying Wilson won't be good - I have no idea - but if your saying he is better than Gilyard in his Frosh season, then you are saying he is the best recruit to ever walk in the door under the Mooney. Even Kevin Anderson, who I think we can all agree (along with Justin Harper) are the two best players under Mooney did not make the all A10 team in first season. He did win ROY - but also remember, had no one in front of him as well to compete for minutes.
Yes - best players should play, and at some schools - a frosh can knock off a highly regarded upperclassmen. But this usually happens at a place like Kentucky where they bring in future NBA players, not UR. We don't bring in high impact frosh who take the league by storm right away. Even Burton this year - who I think has played very well and is doing what we need him to do is only getting 3 points and 3 rebounds a game, and I think he is one of the better frosh Mooney has brought in the last few years.
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No, I don't.
I am mostly joking, but his recruiting profile has him higher than - Lindsey, Buckingham, Brothers, Sherod, & Gonzalvez...
I am hopeful that it is accurate and he develops into the level of that group.

https://247sports.com/college/richmond/Sport/Basketball/AllTimeRecruits/?PositionGroup=G
 
UR80sfan said:
Not sure why I bother to reply to your extreme negativity, but if we finish with 23/25 wins and a NET ranking in the mid 40s it is not a big stretch to think we could be preseason top 25 if everyone comes back. I understand from your perspective that U of R is terrible and we will always be terrible while Mooney is the coach, but a 14-4 record, which ties for our best start to a season in the past 50 years, demonstrates that your are blinded by prejudice.
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I agree - I think if this team finishes this year in the top 3 of the A10 and makes the NCAA tourney - I could see UR being ranked at the tail end of the top 25 (23-25) or first team getting votes. You look at the other two teams in our league who could do this are VCU and Dayton, but think they lose too much this offseason to be ranked that high. We have everything coming back - so an NCAA bid this year, and UR will be in the conversation for top 25 ranking to begin the year.
 
It's been fun watching a good basketball team again!

I think with some lineup tinkering, we have a lot more talent and potential defensively than what was expected during preseason, or even OOC.
Specifically, I'd love to see Burton as the first guy off the bench in most situations, esp against the longer teams. We just seem to get a lot more stops on defense when he is in the game, and we don't give up nearly as many easy baskets in the paint.

We are not there yet, but I don't think top 25 aspirations are unreasonable at all, esp next season. And I do think we're talented enough to Dance this season, even with a great player like Francis on the mend.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of looking ahead and expecting things to be better. Hoping for that, great, but expecting it, nah. Look at Davidson this year. They had all their talent coming back, expected big things, and instead they suck. So you never know. We are talented enough to make the NCAAs this year, and that needs to happen.
 
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back to Wilson, no chance he unseats senior Gilyard. but he likely takes over the point as a sophomore. without injuries, there shouldn't be a "need" for him as a freshman. but so what? no sense looking to redshirt him.
 
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spiderman said:
back to Wilson, no chance he unseats senior Gilyard. but he likely takes over the point as a sophomore. without injuries, there shouldn't be a "need" for him as a freshman. but so what? no sense looking to redshirt him.
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My point is that is you don't see him playing his frosh year, except for blowouts - then why not redshirt? You get him for an extra year and the only way you lose out (I think) is if he decides to grad transfer. But if you only expect him to play mop up minutes, but know you will need him next year - why not try to get that year back with the redshirt?
 
SpiderTrap said:
My point is that is you don't see him playing his frosh year, except for blowouts - then why not redshirt? You get him for an extra year and the only way you lose out (I think) is if he decides to grad transfer. But if you only expect him to play mop up minutes, but know you will need him next year - why not try to get that year back with the redshirt?
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I will ask, if Wilson could get 200 minutes total next season, should he redshirt instead?

Assuming Gilyard plays 34 minutes instead of 38 minutes a game next year, who comes in when he is out? This year it looked like Goose for a while...
 
Eight Legger said:
I'm not a huge fan of looking ahead and expecting things to be better. Hoping for that, great, but expecting it, nah. Look at Davidson this year. They had all their talent coming back, expected big things, and instead they suck. So you never know. We are talented enough to make the NCAAs this year, and that needs to happen.
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Exactly. The present is bright. Beat lasalle. We haven’t been to ncaa in 8 seasons. My looking ahead is to March. NCAA or bust.
 
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urmite said:
I will ask, if Wilson could get 200 minutes total next season, should he redshirt instead?

Assuming Gilyard plays 34 minutes instead of 38 minutes a game next year, who comes in when he is out? This year it looked like Goose for a while...
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200 minutes is about 6 minutes a game. I think even this year has shown, you can swap Francis and Gilyard by having Goose come in for one then move the other over to PG for a few minutes. The minutes I could see him stealing is Wojcik, and right now he is only getting 10 minutes a night, but even that is inflated because there are several games he played less than 5, but now he is likely to get 15 or more with Francis out.
If he can beat out Wojcik, and that is more likely and get 10 minutes a night consistently - I would not redshirt.
 
SpiderTrap said:
200 minutes is about 6 minutes a game. I think even this year has shown, you can swap Francis and Gilyard by having Goose come in for one then move the other over to PG for a few minutes. The minutes I could see him stealing is Wojcik, and right now he is only getting 10 minutes a night, but even that is inflated because there are several games he played less than 5, but now he is likely to get 15 or more with Francis out.
If he can beat out Wojcik, and that is more likely and get 10 minutes a night consistently - I would not redshirt.
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Exactly. I think he’ll take Woj’s minutes.

Also, he’ll be a true pg to back up gilyard, which might allow us to give Gilyard a break for 4-8 minutes a game, instead of having to play 38-40 every night.
 
SpiderTrap said:
My point is that is you don't see him playing his frosh year, except for blowouts - then why not redshirt? You get him for an extra year and the only way you lose out (I think) is if he decides to grad transfer. But if you only expect him to play mop up minutes, but know you will need him next year - why not try to get that year back with the redshirt?
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with this logic you'd redshirt 3-4 guys every year. can't do that. get him some experience then hand him the keys as a soph.
 
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spiderman said:
with this logic you'd redshirt 3-4 guys every year. can't do that. get him some experience then hand him the keys as a soph.
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That is the key right there. If we want him to be our PG in two years, then we would want him to get some playing time next year. Also, what if Jacob gets hurt for a couple games next season? Wouldn't we want a true point guard taking his place?
 
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SpiderTrap said:
Wilson might be good - but where does he play? How many minutes does he get. Right now this year You got Sherod, Gilyard, and Francis on the perimeter. Then you got Gustav, Burton, and Wojcik coming off the bench on the perimeter. Burton and Gustav go on the wing and little down low, but mainly perimeter guys.
So really - if Wilson is better than Wojcik, that is the only place the minutes can come from. And that is possible - but that would mean Wojcik goes from playing 30 minutes a game his frosh year, to about 10 minutes this year (and that will be inflated because he will play more the next few weeks with Francis out), to possibly zero minutes next season. I am not going to say it but you know what I am thinking for Wojcik.
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If the kid can contribute, you don't redshirt. Keep that in your back pocket in case of injury. Exhibit A: Nick.
Also, there is no guarantee he will stay the fifth year.

Speaking of that, there are quite a few assumptions being made here. We have three starters graduating in May.
 
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LongTimeLurkerFirstTimePoster said:
what happened 5 years ago, has no bearing on this season, other than the same 10 people bringing it up on this board.
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If some sad sack P5 school wanted Mooney and would pay him $3M a year, I say let him go. Let him set another program back 10 years. We need to get rid of the arsonist firefighter.
 
i'd take big money right now at 2-1 that Burton is All A-10 in his junior year. He is the most physically talented player with size Ive seen in a Spider uniform since 20012.
 
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