Fordham fires coach after FIVE seasons
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Enough with the agenda stuff. Pecora was out of his league in the A-10. His act played well in the CAA with Hofstra when he only had to face VCU, ODU and Mason, and didn't have any punk pressure from the fan base. He'd get eaten alive here, and he'd certainly get eaten alive by Fat Boy and his minions over on Broad St. They would set his car on fire.
70, you may be correct but always thought pecora was a good coach. maybe, just maybe, nobody can do it there unless you grab cal and he does his thing. not sure who they try and bring in there now but the more they change coaches, the more they stink.
I never thought Pecora could cut it in the A10. He is a pretty good recruiter, but always seemed to be just below the top guys in the CAA, which as we see does not cut it in the A10. I do think the right coach can be successful at Fordham. Being in NYC and the A10 I really think you have the ability to grab a big time talent (like Severe) every year or two, and have access to a ton of under radar guys from ny/nj area.
Mooney's down years are better than Pecora's best years, so no comparison there.
Mooney's down years are better than Pecora's best years, so no comparison there.
Though the timing was a bit odd, he got some good young talent in the program with Severe, Paschall and Segenfelder. Now they hit the re-set button again.
As long as they keep changing coaches and play in the gym that they do, Fordham is so out of its league in the A10.
As long as they keep changing coaches and play in the gym that they do, Fordham is so out of its league in the A10.
23, how long have they been trying to find that "right" coach? this is why am not a changing coach solves alll the problems type of guy. you may get lucky but you may just keep your program at 500 or worse for years, decades.
The truth lies in the expectations. I don't think anyone at Fordham expected them to be an NCAA team by any means in 5 seasons since they have been outright terrible. But what they probably hoped for was maybe a .500 or winning season by year3 or 4...Along with being a middle of the pack A10 team as well. Its called progress. That is what every program wants to see.
So I see the point your making - and the way I would phrase it is - has progress been made with our program in the last 4 years. We were at an all-time high with back to back NCAA appearances and a sweet 16. Our coach almost left so we paid the big bucks and made the big improvements to have him stay. 4 years later - yes, we have had winning seasons. But we only have a CBI and NIT to show for it. Like I mentioned before - I think everyone else has a timeframe for NCAA appearances for our program. Based on history of our program - having no more than a 6 year drought, I think that is a good cutoff. I would say no NCAA appearances in 4/5 years - the seat should be getting warm (and depending on the circumstances - overall record, were we on the bubble, did we make the NIT, etc) the seat could be hotter than normal. But I would say no more than 6 years between appearances.
We all would like to compete I think at a higher level than that - but I just don't think given the way we recruit and our admissions policy for athletes, that we will be able to do that on a consistent basis. At best - maybe we can get to a point where every 2-3 years we are in the tourney. But right now - we are keeping on average about every 4 years.
So I see the point your making - and the way I would phrase it is - has progress been made with our program in the last 4 years. We were at an all-time high with back to back NCAA appearances and a sweet 16. Our coach almost left so we paid the big bucks and made the big improvements to have him stay. 4 years later - yes, we have had winning seasons. But we only have a CBI and NIT to show for it. Like I mentioned before - I think everyone else has a timeframe for NCAA appearances for our program. Based on history of our program - having no more than a 6 year drought, I think that is a good cutoff. I would say no NCAA appearances in 4/5 years - the seat should be getting warm (and depending on the circumstances - overall record, were we on the bubble, did we make the NIT, etc) the seat could be hotter than normal. But I would say no more than 6 years between appearances.
We all would like to compete I think at a higher level than that - but I just don't think given the way we recruit and our admissions policy for athletes, that we will be able to do that on a consistent basis. At best - maybe we can get to a point where every 2-3 years we are in the tourney. But right now - we are keeping on average about every 4 years.
Love Chris Mooney, his assistants, the players, and the program he has created at my university. Really tired of all the negativity; much of which has been generated by NewURFan, clearly a vcu person. My personal message to NewURFan: don't you have a paper route to attend to? Get lost!
Ulla - I agree, I think NewURFan has a negative way of going about the point trying to be made, and the truth is - we are much different than Fordham.
But at some point - even you have expectations for this program. If the expectations are just top 100 RPI and have good kids, then some might say (myself included) that is setting the bar far too low - but at least it tells where you stand. And our program has a history of NCAA appearances. We did not become known as the Giant Killer for our regular season upsets or upsets in the NIT or CBI - we got that name because of the NCAA tourney and that is where UR belongs. The frequency of those appearances - well - that seems to be the million dollar question.
But at some point - even you have expectations for this program. If the expectations are just top 100 RPI and have good kids, then some might say (myself included) that is setting the bar far too low - but at least it tells where you stand. And our program has a history of NCAA appearances. We did not become known as the Giant Killer for our regular season upsets or upsets in the NIT or CBI - we got that name because of the NCAA tourney and that is where UR belongs. The frequency of those appearances - well - that seems to be the million dollar question.
NewUR has not been overly negative and is not a VCU fan. He's a ShawnDre fan and a Spiders fan.
As someone said above, every program has expectations based on where it's been in the distant and recent past. Fordham has sucked forever, so no one expected Pecora to go in there and immediately turn it into an annual tourney team. But five years in, he should have been winning more than 10 or 11 games. He did finally get some good talent in there, but too little too late. Hard to blame them for going a new direction.
Obviously we are in a totally different situation, with higher expectations because of somewhat recent high-level success. That's just what it is. You can either accept success and write it off as a once-in-a-lifetime thing or you can raise the bar and start expecting success more often. We have people with both viewpoints on this board.
As someone said above, every program has expectations based on where it's been in the distant and recent past. Fordham has sucked forever, so no one expected Pecora to go in there and immediately turn it into an annual tourney team. But five years in, he should have been winning more than 10 or 11 games. He did finally get some good talent in there, but too little too late. Hard to blame them for going a new direction.
Obviously we are in a totally different situation, with higher expectations because of somewhat recent high-level success. That's just what it is. You can either accept success and write it off as a once-in-a-lifetime thing or you can raise the bar and start expecting success more often. We have people with both viewpoints on this board.
Spinner - I hear you - I thought Pecora would actually do better than he did - though I did not think he could compete in the top 5 of the A10. I guess I remain optimistic on Fordham becoming a decent program with the right fit. Good thing for the next coach is that Paschall's father is already indicating he is likely to stay - so that is a good sign.
Ills trap and fan I did not say anything about firing our coach nor have I said fire our coach in any other thread.. I have said he can change or make adjustments but never have I sided with getting a new coach.. as far as negative if speaking fact of a opinions of game content that call it negative plus barely post. This old board of judgemental shrewd snoob people are clearly way negative then me...the topic was about Fordham nothing about UR that shows your narrow minded ASSumptions you think..then how you end with paper route just funny..I tell you this if I did have a route or matter of fact have one of my employees throw today's paper with UR heading up a win in sports section right through your window so you won't have to go outside...special delivery. now that is customer service.. buzzard.
much like on any subject one wants to mention, a wide spectrum of ideas and thoughts. i want better, expect better but i just don't see switching coaches as being the solution. like at fordham, maybe there is more to it than a coach. not saying there is but look at our history and though we have had some success, it has been spread out over 30 years in spurts with no real consistency. every school that changes coaches does so for a reason and the main one is winning but look what happens, look how many of those coaching changes do not work, clemson, forever average, though purnelll had some good teams, the new guy is not doing better than him, depaul just fired purnell, though he was the savior and the list goes on and on. if one of you or the AD or the BOT could guarantee that changing our coach would change our results, would be on board, you cannot, they cannot and we can see that even without guarantees, getting a new coach who will make things better is a complete crap shoot. it may make some of us feel better but that is about all. so because some of our expectations are not met, we will go out and find someone, may take 3 or 4 new coaches and 15 years, but we will find someone to meet our expectations, or NOT.
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Since Fordham joined the A-10 some 20 years ago their record has been disastrous.
Tom Pecora 44-106 ('11-'15)
Dereck Whittenburg 69-112 ('04-'10)
Bob Hill 36-78 ('00-'03)
Nick Macarchnk 161-192 ('88-''99)
Bob Quinn 14-16 ('87-'88)
Tom Penders 125-114 ('79-'86)
A-10 since '95-'96
Patriot '90-'91 through '94-'95
MAAC '81-'82 through '89-'90
Independent '79-'80 through '80-'81
Pecora had previous success at Hofstra and Penders was also later successful at Texas and Houston
Outdated facilities don't help although they're full of nostalgia.Recruiting in the New York Metro is a tough gig going up against some heavyweights-Syracuse,St John's,UConn,Nova
Tom Pecora 44-106 ('11-'15)
Dereck Whittenburg 69-112 ('04-'10)
Bob Hill 36-78 ('00-'03)
Nick Macarchnk 161-192 ('88-''99)
Bob Quinn 14-16 ('87-'88)
Tom Penders 125-114 ('79-'86)
A-10 since '95-'96
Patriot '90-'91 through '94-'95
MAAC '81-'82 through '89-'90
Independent '79-'80 through '80-'81
Pecora had previous success at Hofstra and Penders was also later successful at Texas and Houston
Outdated facilities don't help although they're full of nostalgia.Recruiting in the New York Metro is a tough gig going up against some heavyweights-Syracuse,St John's,UConn,Nova
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