It seems that UR is evolving into a basketball centric institution rather than a school that emphasizes both. This is a disturbing trend. Afterall, the Spiders have had more success with football than basketball recently.
Football Centric or Basketball Centric
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I believe their focus should be on the revenue sports like football
and basketball. Build those programs up, create extra revenue from
them to help support other sports.
and basketball. Build those programs up, create extra revenue from
them to help support other sports.
Would you consider Villanova "basketball" centric within Miller's definition? I think that I could live with their model though football will always be my favorite of the two sports.
cannot compare a school with one team in a somewhat power conf with one which is not. would take what nova has but no chance in the A-10
No reason we can't be both. However football is my favorite of the two by far.
homecoming, tailgating, not a basketball type of thing and football is the king of this country, real football not soccer
Nope, but looking forward to being a bit basketball centric; need to put the A-1 on the steak.
Why do we need to perpetuate the nonsense of pitting sports against each other? That crap is the type of thinking of the academians that want to stifle athletics as a whole.
How about we get winning centric and implement a focus on winning at all sports?
How about we get winning centric and implement a focus on winning at all sports?
We are a basketball centric wannabe school.We are not on anyone's radar about basketball.
To see how silly our basketball wannabe status is,just reference the silly basketball posts
which have close to 750 posts about transfers with coming up with a big zero.We are going to Cayman and we're the last team invited.Very little reality operates by the basketball Winnies who post continuous, delusional nonsense incontinence believing we are a roundball school of any kind of prominence brought on by the next transfer or next recruit.Appreciate Ulla's 'all in' involvement and immersion on UR roundball but I really do think it borders on a perpetual state of misguided disillusionment.But if it makes you happy and the Winnies like following-have a good time.Let's beat Oral Roberts,JMU and ODU before we become roundball centric
in our own minds.
I'll take a UR football and lacrosse centric any day of the week.Nothing delusional there.
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32, love football and lax. Sadly, championships in both mean little to anyone save for you, me and a few thousand (at most) other diehard Spiders.
Sometimes it's just not possible. The move to the A-10 is a perfect example of a basketball-centric decision we made...we did it for hoops, and it meant most of our other sports took a step down in conference affiliation, which after a few years caught up with them.
We could have fought it better by pouring more resources into those sports, but those programs had weights put on their ankles by the conference jump. (Yes, I know the move wasn't made in a vacuum and the CAA of today isn't as good as the CAA we left in many sports, but at the moment we moved it was a clear step down in almost everything but hoops.)
I get this. I just don't get what we need to be even more "basketball centric". We are basketball centric and we really aren't particularly good at basketball.
So are we saying the admissions issue is just a basketball thing? And we need new basketball weight rooms?
What else are we talking about here for us to be more basketball centric?
It probably means you spend whatever it takes to get the coach you want, or fire one. It means you build that hoops practice facility with gold plated crappers. It means in a landscape of limited flexibility in admission, hoops is first in line for those slots and you fight to get in one basketball player with an 800 SAT by offering to give up slots intended for a couple of football players with 900 SATs.
And even with $2 billion in the bank, we aren't going to pump an unlimited amount of money into athletics, so other sports don't get fully funded, don't get top-notch facility upgrades, we let our other coaches walk when they get offered bigger paydays elsewhere, etc.
There are obviously degrees here ranging from basketball-emphasized to basketball-exclusive, but it means every decision involves a component of "what does this mean for basketball?"
And even with $2 billion in the bank, we aren't going to pump an unlimited amount of money into athletics, so other sports don't get fully funded, don't get top-notch facility upgrades, we let our other coaches walk when they get offered bigger paydays elsewhere, etc.
There are obviously degrees here ranging from basketball-emphasized to basketball-exclusive, but it means every decision involves a component of "what does this mean for basketball?"
We have a top 3 budget for basketball among A10 peers. I'd like to see us play like a Top 3 or 4 program in the A10 before we even consider diverting any additional resources to basketball, if athletics resources are fixed.
If getting the so called basketball centric AD is about diverting other program resources to basketball, then Mooney needs to be put on notice on Day 1.
If getting the so called basketball centric AD is about diverting other program resources to basketball, then Mooney needs to be put on notice on Day 1.
If we're all in, we're all in.
Basketball centric to me will have to mean no more rationalizing why marginal prospects are the greatest thing since sliced bread. We'll also need to win some real recruiting battles. And losing non con games to the Ohio, Bucknell, Iona, Oral Roberts of the world repeatedly ... and then rationalizing the results will need to end.
Good?
While we're at it, which stuff should we be pulling away from football and other sports to get it done?
Mo, fair enough. IMHO, the main thing the AD should be doing is raising funding. If this means improving the locker room and weight facilities for basketball, get it done. As for coaching changes, I think with better alignment of admissions and improved facilities, our current staff will get it done. If this doesn't happen after the needed enhancements (facilities and alignments), then we need another crew. In any case, I will continue to be positive about our university, coaches and players on hand.
This would still be the case if UR was to win the mens national championship in basketball. The only people who would notice is the tiny number of UR alums (compared to the millions of alums from the state schools) and the few thousand Spider fans that exist.
Compared to the huge tax supported state universities we are a small school. Every May we award in the neighorhood something like 800 degrees, while the giant state schools award degrees numbering in the thousands! Multiply this over the years and see the result.
While winning a National is wonderful, we still remain who we are size wise.
I disagree with that because if we were to ever win a national championship (I understand that's a huge if), then millions of people will take notice. And from those millions I'm sure that it would then have an effect where tens of thousands of more people (in the richmond area or Virginia area most likely) to become more of Spider fans and invested in tje following year's game
If this happened in any other sport, it would have an effect but to a smaller degree
See our D1 NC title in 2008! Some non UR football folks (some who could be classfied as UR Haters) made sneering comments saying our national championship in football is a D2 championship.
I said all other sports - even football because it is FCS - will not have the same effect as winning in basketball, or even making it to the final four. This is because the two sports most people care about is FBS football and basketball. I am incredibly proud of our national championship in football, it is incredible. And one day I am confident we will win the national championship in lacrosse too (And football again!). It is something we should be very proud of and strive for. However, it won't gather as much attention from the lay person in the richmond/Virginia to become more of a Spider fan as much as a deep tournament run in basketball would
What else are we talking about here for us to be more basketball centric?= when a college graduates wants to come here for a PG year, and he has a DIPLOMA, there should be no questions.....
Mo--FYI, we have finished in the Top 4 2 of the last 3 years,
17, I know you're young, but didn't your parents ever tell you the dangers of talking to people like this?
Do not get me wrong. I am a proud UR Spider alum....class of 1976!
My point is UR will never garner the interest (in numbers) that the state universities enjoy.
My point is UR will never garner the interest (in numbers) that the state universities enjoy.
The purpose of my messages wasn't to pit the sports against each other and i'm sorry if i'm doing that. In candor, i find some of our "basketball centric" posters to be pretty arrogant about basketball's relative 'worth' compared to our other sports. Basketball has not been in the national conversation since March of 2011 and is an also-ran in our own city.
If we're going 'all in' on basketball, at the expense of other sports, what is the expected ROI? Is going to 2 and a half NCAA tournaments every 10 years like Bob Black says he wants on the radio still good enough? Is winning against VCU about 20% of the time still good enough? What do we get out of it if we become more 'basketball centric'?
what we are discussing here is why i recommended my son to go to clemson or florida state or bama. if you are a sports fan, go big my friend.
I saw where Maryland got a $15,000.00 bonus from Under Armour for winning the Lacrosse
National Championship this year. Maybe we're not wearing the right threads.
National Championship this year. Maybe we're not wearing the right threads.
Plank is a devout alum.He's "bought" his way into the hearts and "minds" of most Marylanders especially the UMD admin.$15,000 is pretty cheap if you ask me.Marylanders
love his freebies.Plank has the UA brand at most,if not all,institutions of "higher" learning in the State of Maryland both public and private.BTW most people I know wear Nike and Adidas.
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In his recent conversations with Bob Black, Jim Miller talked about how UR should be more aligned with the basketball program. He seemed to imply that if other sports do not like it, then tough. IMHO, football at Richmond should not suffer to support basketball.
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Jim miller said "basketball-centric, if you're using that term, AD at a place like Richmond, even though there's great resources, it's still not unlimited resources. So you have to take from someone to give to basketball. You have to be relentlessly committed to the success at the expense of other sports. That is just the way. If you're going to win at the highest level with limited resources, whether it's personnel or financial, you have to be relentless for that success." So what other sports besides football will suffer?
It certainly seems like they are assessing the relative importance of basketball, as compared to football. This goes beyond the admissions isues that have been discussed.
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