Dayton 55 Richmond 53 - Blakney's Winner

[mojo-spider]

probably the best defensive effort of the season against a top tier A-10 team...the effort and toughness sometimes missing this season was there the entire game...very tough to see it end that way...

the final 1:30 was a clown fest...college basketball can do better than that...how long did it take 15 minutes...crazy bad!

Go Spiders

 

[Eight Legger]

Such a predictable play, and we looked totally unprepared for it. A slip screen and right to the hoop. Pathetic.

 

[Mo 2.0]

I'd like the skilled hoops tacticians amongst us to tell us how we defend that better. Cayo needs to hedge better since he's guarding a non-shooter?

 

[Gospiders06]

No one guarding the basket. How pathetic.

 

[ur2K]

I'd like the skilled hoops tacticians amongst us to tell us how we defend that better. Cayo needs to hedge better since he's guarding a non-shooter?

not skilled in anyway, but what role is Gilly playing here guarding the inbound?

 

[spider23]

not skilled in anyway, but what role is Gilly playing here guarding the inbound?

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That's the old standard put the smallest man on the court on the inbounds. Evey great coach knows that rule of thumb.

 

[UR79&Peanuts]

A real team downtown did their job to help us get to the top four and we failed again when it really mattered😡 We are so predictable.

 

[SpiderGuy]

A real team downtown did their job to help us get to the top four and we failed again when it really mattered😡 We are so predictable.

And next year, the year after that, and into the sunset.

 

[Gospiders06]

Just not being prepared for this play. Is all coaching.

 

[plydogg]

Watching this team ****ing pisses me off. Jesus Christ it’s been 11 goddamn years of this

 

[urfan1]

Just not being prepared for this play. Is all coaching.

postgame they said they knew this was coming

 

[PASpider]

Just saw Burton’s box score. Unacceptable for any game, especially one as big as this.

 

[spider23]

Maybe busy texting Big East assistants?

 

[CarolinaSpider]

Never is acceptable for Gilyard to be on ball here. Never acceptable to give up lob after simple screen. Never acceptable for Grace to be on bench in this OOB. Never acceptable for players to not work on individual ball handling . Never acceptable for players with much experience to make mental mistake after mental mistake game after game. But maybe team wins A10 tournament, I hope ? I always wish team the good luck

Fezz must be really mad, he lost his accent!

 

[SpiderTrap]

1) Gilyard on ball - mistake 100% of the time. He should be out on a guard somewhere with his quickness. There is not enough time for the inbounder to do anything but throw the ball in (i.e - can't come in and get rebound or come back in for pass). You have 2 options at that point. Put a big guy on the ball and make the inbounds tough - or take the big guy on the ball and put him near the rim. Make them pass away from the basket and make a jumper of some sort.

2) Burton and Cayo - two liked size guys and with only 1 second remaining the defense should be - SWITCH every screen. Make them pass outside. if they hit a fall away jumper to beat us - so be it, but they are not getting anything near the hoop.

3) Very simple play we got beat on - simply run to corner, screen for guy and run to rim. Not much to it. You would think a team like ours, who usually does score on inbounds plays would be prepared for this. But given Dayton credit - they executed perfectly. Good screen, good run to rim, and great pass. Everything went perfect for them and they got the win.

 

[spiderman]

I'd like the skilled hoops tacticians amongst us to tell us how we defend that better. Cayo needs to hedge better since he's guarding a non-shooter?

first off it was a very well designed play. defensively we made some very questionable choices there, and at least one huge mistake.

1) Subbing Cayo in for Grace. I hated that. Cayo may be a marginally quicker. I still hated it.
2) Gilly on the ball. pretty unusual. normally you'd think he's best served on the perimeter. but I don't totally hate it. he's got pretty amazing anticipatory skills and hands. I think it takes away any straight or bounce pass inside as he'd get his hands on it. clearly doesn't help against a lob, but even a bigger guy there doesn't stop a lob. I'd almost rather not defend the inbounder at all, but maybe there's risk in him getting the ball back quick.
3) Golden defending at the foul line. ideally he's at the basket. but his man is screening up there. if Golden's laying off and can't help, that can be a quick pass and shot. could try to quickly switch someone else out there, but I can understand this decision. I don't love it though.
4) The huge problem Mo, as you pointed out ... either Mooney didn't teach Cayo this in 5 years or didn't communicate it here or Cayo just didn't do it, but unless Golden is going to be lower in the lane (and really even if he isn't), Cayo can't watch his man screen Burton and not step out to hinder Blakney's cut like "I've got my man ... that's not my problem". he just can't. maybe it's ok if Golden is there to help. but still bump him for crying out loud.

 

[Eight Legger]

We're just so bad at fundamentals when they matter the most. It's nothing new, but it's always incredibly frustrating and disappointing.

 

[LongTimeSpiderFan]

Maybe busy texting Big East assistants?

... so he can ride the Villanova bench?

 

[SpiderTrap]

I'd like the skilled hoops tacticians amongst us to tell us how we defend that better. Cayo needs to hedge better since he's guarding a non-shooter?

Simple - big body either on the ball or under the hoop. With that amount of time left, you don't want anything going towards the basket - you want them to shoot going away from the basket. If they beat you on a contested jumper falling away - so be it.

Cayo and Burton and everyone on the floor - you SWITCH every screen with that little time left. Especially guys of like size like Burton and Cayo - no reason they just can's switch that, prevents the run to the rim, and maybe the screener pops open to the corner for a second, but then Cayo should be right there flying to contest the shot. I like our chances a lot better with Cayo contesting a corner jumper.

 

[spiderman]

I actually don't like switching inside there. Cayo's man would be inside of Burton. to me just bump the cutter.

I actually hate man to man in general on inbounds under the basket, but we (like most teams) only run one defense and once we scrapped the zone we were never going back.

 

[SpiderGuy]

We're just so bad at fundamentals when they matter the most. It's nothing new, but it's always incredibly frustrating and disappointing.

BUT EXPECTED.

 

[97spiderfan]

... so he can ride the Villanova bench?

Providence.

 

[97spiderfan]

postgame they said they knew this was coming

Really, so they "knew" what was coming and even with that knowledge allowed it to happen.

 

[SpiderTrap]

I actually don't like switching inside there. Cayo's man would be inside of Burton. to me just bump the cutter.

I actually hate man to man in general on inbounds under the basket, but we (like most teams) only run one defense and once we scrapped the zone we were never going back.

I don't think so - Cayo and Burton need to communicate before the play and basically say "You take outside, I take inside" in this case since Cayo started outside, he should take anyone that cuts out, Burton takes cut in. Burton should already be in position because he is not fighting over the screen. Cayo has to fight for a step because by theory if both guys go to the basket - Cayo's new man will be inside him - BUT he should know this and fight hard to get even with his new man, as well as its unlikely both cut to hoop because its clogged up with first cutter. NOT TO MENTION - we should have a big man on the ball or in the paint making this a difficult pass or taking up space.

Zone could work - but with zones, I think you get guys starting at the ball and they lose track of men who can beat them.

Either way - you get Gilyard off the ball and put golden or Grace under the hoop or at least on the inbounder - this becomes a different play.

 

[kneepadmckinney]

Such a predictable play, and we looked totally unprepared for it. A slip screen and right to the hoop. Pathetic.

Yeah. Just have Cayo and Burton switch their man. Really, really frustrating.

 

[97spiderfan]

We can disect the final play but the reality is this is what we do. We find new and creative ways to lose literally all of the time. The ONLY thing this team is consistently good at is coming up small in big time situations. They are remarkably consistent with that.

 

[SpiderK]

postgame they said they knew this was coming

They say a lot in post game that isn’t true.

 

[spiderman]

I don't think so - Cayo and Burton need to communicate before the play and basically say "You take outside, I take inside" in this case since Cayo started outside, he should take anyone that cuts out, Burton takes cut in. Burton should already be in position because he is not fighting over the screen. Cayo has to fight for a step because by theory if both guys go to the basket - Cayo's new man will be inside him - BUT he should know this and fight hard to get even with his new man, as well as its unlikely both cut to hoop because its clogged up with first cutter. NOT TO MENTION - we should have a big man on the ball or in the paint making this a difficult pass or taking up space.

Zone could work - but with zones, I think you get guys starting at the ball and they lose track of men who can beat them.

Either way - you get Gilyard off the ball and put golden or Grace under the hoop or at least on the inbounder - this becomes a different play.

I understand what you're saying with Cayo and Burton and I agree. the only thing we couldn't do there is have Cayo stay with his man and not do anything when Blakney cut past him.

I believe you have the names backwards though. Burton started on the outside. Cayo was inside. his man back screened Burton.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Your right names backwards - I just think you switch and the FAIL SAFE is you have a big guy on the ball jumping like crazy to make this a tougher pass OR you have that big guy guard the room and just clog the paint.
You make them pass away from the basket and have them take a shot going away from the basket - not towards it, especially not a lob to the rim

 

[Gospiders06]

Just saw Burton’s box score. Unacceptable for any game, especially one as big as this.

I thought Burton was a guarantee first rounder??

 

[kneepadmckinney]

I thought Burton was a guarantee first rounder??

No one said this. People said he has scouts watching, and has a chance to be drafted.

 

[Gospiders06]

No one said this. People said he has scouts watching, and has a chance to be drafted.

You missed the sarcasm.