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Great gritty win. I thought Davidson played really well (and is a really solid team), and I think this was our most complete game of the year. We got a little soft on defense in the second half and the observation by the announcer that sometimes you need to foul a guy hard to make them think twice was spot on. A couple observations.

Burton: HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER. Keep saying that and remind yourself of that every game. Just an awesome performance, full of big plays and clutch plays. Terrific on both ends of the floor, rebounding, defense, big time threes, a huge dunk.

Blake: I'm an unabashed Blake fan. He hit some tough shots, also had 5 assists. The 3 at the end is the definition of dagger. Only guy on the team who plays angry, we need that.

Grant: Also a really solid game. I mean if he is going to 3-3 from 3, I guess go ahead and shoot it big man. Great offensive game, as others pointed out, his avoidance of fouls on defense, makes his defense soft at times.

Cayo: 15 points on 6-9 from the floor. Can you ask for anything else from Cayo? Thought he played good defense as well.

Gilly: Fan1 said he was under the weather, so gonna give him the benefit of the doubt but geez he was getting taken to the hole by a freshman white dude from Davidson. His three ball is still off. Probably one of his worst games in a while.

Bench:

I know we were short handed without Goose and Crabtree (which is a big loss). Grace was awful and while he is one of Mooney's favorites, the fact that he didn't move off the bench in the second half for yet another game because of really bad play in the first half is telling. I like what I see in Wilson, wish Mooney would find him more time., he brings a different element with aggressive in your face defense. Sal, I thought gave some good minutes.

Moondog:

First of all, he used a timeout to stem another teams run. Who says you can't teach an old Moondog, new tricks? I thought his adjustment to go full court press under four with Burton up top was great. I thought he had used the bench well in the first half and then forgot about them in second half. But he had few bench options tonight and his team rallied late, so I can't complain about the outcome.
 
Great gritty win. I thought Davidson played really well (and is a really solid team), and I think this was our most complete game of the year. We got a little soft on defense in the second half and the observation by the announcer that sometimes you need to foul a guy hard to make them think twice was spot on. A couple observations.

Burton: HE IS OUR BEST PLAYER. Keep saying that and remind yourself of that every game. Just an awesome performance, full of big plays and clutch plays. Terrific on both ends of the floor, rebounding, defense, big time threes, a huge dunk.

Blake: I'm an unabashed Blake fan. He hit some tough shots, also had 5 assists. The 3 at the end is the definition of dagger. Only guy on the team who plays angry, we need that.

Grant: Also a really solid game. I mean if he is going to 3-3 from 3, I guess go ahead and shoot it big man. Great offensive game, as others pointed out, his avoidance of fouls on defense, makes his defense soft at times.

Cayo: 15 points on 6-9 from the floor. Can you ask for anything else from Cayo? Thought he played good defense as well.

Gilly: Fan1 said he was under the weather, so gonna give him the benefit of the doubt but geez he was getting taken to the hole by a freshman white dude from Davidson. His three ball is still off. Probably one of his worst games in a while.

Bench:

I know we were short handed without Goose and Crabtree (which is a big loss). Grace was awful and while he is one of Mooney's favorites, the fact that he didn't move off the bench in the second half for yet another game because of really bad play in the first half is telling. I like what I see in Wilson, wish Mooney would find him more time., he brings a different element with aggressive in your face defense. Sal, I thought gave some good minutes.

Moondog:

First of all, he used a timeout to stem another teams run. Who says you can't teach an old Moondog, new tricks? I thought his adjustment to go full court press under four with Burton up top was great. I thought he had used the bench well in the first half and then forgot about them in second half. But he had few bench options tonight and his team rallied late, so I can't complain about the outcome.
97, an analysis can find anything of substance to disagree with. Well done . Well said. Solid win. Go Spiders!
 
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Need to see more Wilson. As predicted, CM went to his classic comment of needing to find more mins for bench guys.

We have got to find a way to cut off dribble penetration. Killed us tonight.

Lee from Davidson is going to be a really good player.

Burton already is a really good player. Keep getting him the ball. He is always around the ball. He is going to have a tremendous career.

Its clear Grace cant play at this level. The play where Bracavich went right around him was telling. Grace never moved his feet. I appreciate his hard work, but he just doesn't have the natural ability to play in the A10. Sal should be getting all of his playing time.

I too really like Blake. He is starting to make shots and hits big time shots. I'll deal with the occasional bad shot.

Sal is contributing. He should be playing more.

Grant was really good. I would have liked to see him more on the block where I think he had a clear advantage (and will most every night in the A10). Hars to argue with his numbers tonight.

Cayo was really good. Feed him in the post and good things happen

Good W. I think Davidson will be a top 5 A10 team. They have a couple narrow losses to some good teams.
 
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‘97 - really enjoyed the post and think you’re spot on. If Burton would channel a little bit of Blake’s “I’m going to drive it right at you and you aren’t stopping me” than he’ll take it to the next level. Need him to believe that he’s as good as we think he is.
 
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I’d would add that for about 36 minutes our defense was horrible. We can’t stop dribble penetration at all, we really don’t offer much help, our pick and roll defense was simply awful. we were markedly better the last 4 minutes and it was just enough to get a win. But we have to get back to where we were last year defensively.
 
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I’d would add that for about 36 minutes our defense was horrible. We can’t stop dribble penetration at all, we really don’t offer much help, our pick and roll defense was simply awful. we were markedly better the last 4 minutes and it was just enough to get a win. But we have to get back to where we were last year defensively.
Davidson is a good offensive team. They are 27th in offensive efficiency. It did look like they had their way at times and got to the hoop too often, but overall they were 47% from the field and 28% from 3 so we clearly did some things right defensively, including holding Grady to 7 points on 2-11 shooting. Wow, what a hard fought win. That looked like a real good team we beat tonight, and a lot of our guys really stepped up.
 
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We rebounded better in second half,but Blake is the mindless assassin who makes ill advised 3 pt shot with less than a minute from beyond NBA RANGE and still near 20 seconds on shot clock. Then creates a 3 pointer as time is running out and provides the dagger. He drives me nuts at times but he is so so fearless and cold blooded.

To add to comments, if Gus had been healthy, I think a lot of those dribble penetrations would not
have occurred.
 
Solid win given the circumstances of no Goose or Crabtree. Thought we played good defense in first half and made Davidson take some tough shots which they missed a lot.
Only observation on the future is our short bench - given not sure how long Goose will be out and will this be a nagging injury. Think we can survive without Crabtree as we have so far mostly this year without him. But if we have no Goose - we could run into some issues down the road.
Other telling sign - with no Goose and no Crabtree - Wilson only gets 4 minutes. I think that is telling right there. If just one of them is available - he likely doesn't play at all. Just looking to the future - doesn't seem he is ready this year, even when we have no other options.
 
On Wilson, he seems ready every time he gets some PT. He plays tough D and is aggressive. He had a bad TO last night but that happens. I think the issue is Wilson plays the same position as the 2 guys, Mooney likes to have on the court at all times. And that is reason he is not getting PT.

But yeah, when Goose is back, does he get minutes. The reality is our injuries have hit us all at 1 position, the wing. On that note, it may be more remarkable that Bailey is not seeing anytime.
 
I understand Wilson is behind our 2 best players. But if your telling me he can't get play 8 minutes a night (4 minutes each half - basically taking 2 minutes a half from both Gil and Francis) - then Mooney is saying he is clearly not ready cause he can't trust him. Which if that is the case - so be it - but that just means next year - we will be in rebuild mode as that will be Wilson's first year in reality.
And I get we are overloaded with upperclassmen right now who are very good. But that has been the pattern with Mooney. Wait until you get a group of 4-6 guys who have played a lot together, logged a lot of minutes, and have been able to learn and grow through playing - and then we will be good when they get older. We are on that pattern again - this group will graduate and leave, we will have large influx of incoming players and will need to wait 3 years to see if they can make a run. If they can't - that group will graduate and we will see if next group can do it - and at that point - your looking at 6-7 years down the road.
 
I enjoy seeing us win. But the concern has to be the bench. Crabtree is basically out for the season now. Grace isn't ready. Sal still isn't ready. Wilson trying to get ready. Give Wilson more minutes we can't just wait till next year. Once Golden came back into the game after the timeout. The game changed in our favor. However, the lack of depth is clear. And this was suppose to be the greatest class ever.
 
Every year on this board we say we have depth, but in reality - we do not. And I am not saying we need a lot. If Sherod did not go down - we would have been in a good spot. Burton providing firepower off the bench with Goose being a glue guy and defensive guy off the bench. I think you need at least 1 guy off the bench who can score. Someone other teams have to fear a little bit because if left alone - they could go and score 12-15 points. Not every night, but just every so often. Right now - coming off our bench - other than maybe Crabtree if he caught fire and he is injured now - we got nothing. SO right now - this team will go as far as the starting 5 can take them. If they can avoid any injuries or consistent foul trouble and all play 32+ minutes like they did yesterday - we can beat anyone and win the A10. But that is a thin line to walk.
 
I understand Wilson is behind our 2 best players. But if your telling me he can't get play 8 minutes a night (4 minutes each half - basically taking 2 minutes a half from both Gil and Francis) - then Mooney is saying he is clearly not ready cause he can't trust him. Which if that is the case - so be it - but that just means next year - we will be in rebuild mode as that will be Wilson's first year in reality.
And I get we are overloaded with upperclassmen right now who are very good. But that has been the pattern with Mooney. Wait until you get a group of 4-6 guys who have played a lot together, logged a lot of minutes, and have been able to learn and grow through playing - and then we will be good when they get older. We are on that pattern again - this group will graduate and leave, we will have large influx of incoming players and will need to wait 3 years to see if they can make a run. If they can't - that group will graduate and we will see if next group can do it - and at that point - your looking at 6-7 years down the road.
Wilson should be getting 6-8 minutes per game. Mooney was fine in the first half, getting Wilson in for some brief rests for both Gilly and Blake, but then forgot about him in the second. That is on Mooney and agree is super frustrating, particularly when Gilly was under the weather and clearly not 100% last night.

I thought Mooney was refreshingly honest in the post game saying he needed to find more minutes for his subs. Yes, I know he says this all of the time, but it came across as a sincere self critique of his game management, this time. To me at least.
 
We were very close to the Tarrant "iron man" five mindset. More time for subs is a necessity.
 
Working on 17 years as a head coach, but still has not mastered substitution patterns IMO.
??? My goodness, we lose Nick before the season, then have no Crabtree or Goose last night. How many teams would have great depth after losing 3 players in their rotation? Most teams are playing 7 or 8 guys these days, and would really be hurting down 3 guys. No one played 40 minutes. We played a real good team, and the game was close throughout. We played Wilson some 1st half minutes and he went 0-1 with 2 turnovers. There was a stretch right in the middle of the 2nd half where we called timeout, then there were 2 TV timeouts, all within about 5 minutes of game time, so the starters were getting plenty of rest then. Did you really want Tyler, Blake, or Jacob sitting? Really? When exactly during the 2nd half did you think it was a good idea to say, hey, I think we should take one of them out?

It's like this board just looks for the next thing to complain about. Even after a win while shorthanded on the road against a good team.
 
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I’m certainly not a Mooney cheerleader but will give him credit where due. I thought he used Sal well last night and let him play solid minutes, appreciate that he actually used a timeout, and thought the full court press with Burton up top was a great move. I’m not saying he’s without fault (there’s a cumulative issue that he hasn’t figured out how to get freshmen minutes such that when he loses some players he has a next man up) but last night he made some good moves. Granted, it was against a team picked to finish 7th in the conference, but it was still enough to win.
 
If we hadn't lost Sherod, if we hadn't lost Crabtree, if we hadn't lost Gustavson, if we hadn't lost Weir, if Kouressi was ready, if Wilson was ready...we would have depth and be awesome!! I'm so tired of reading this stuff from all the Mooney apologists. It's recruiting and game management, people! And finding minutes for our reserves, "I need to find a way to get them in the game more"...HEY Mooney, you're the Head Coach, it's pretty simple. You signal for one guy to come out, and you tell another guy to go in for him.

And like I said in an earlier post, if you're not going to substitute, then at least call a frekkin timeout once in a while so they can catch their breath. I think we only used 2 maybe 3 timeouts last night, out of 8...
 
Congrats, it's Dec. 31st and you just won the award for strangest post of the year with that one. I won't waste my time, but I'll let others break it down if they want to.
 
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If we hadn't lost Sherod, if we hadn't lost Crabtree, if we hadn't lost Gustavson, if we hadn't lost Weir, if Kouressi was ready, if Wilson was ready...we would have depth and be awesome!! I'm so tired of reading this stuff from all the Mooney apologists. It's recruiting and game management, people! And finding minutes for our reserves, "I need to find a way to get them in the game more"...HEY Mooney, you're the Head Coach, it's pretty simple. You signal for one guy to come out, and you tell another guy to go in for him.

And like I said in an earlier post, if you're not going to substitute, then at least call a frekkin timeout once in a while so they can catch their breath. I think we only used 2 maybe 3 timeouts last night, out of 8...

Yes, he should have used more of his 8 timeouts. Good call. Very knowledgeable post.
 
I'm not sure I agree at all with the sentiment of "we have no bench" when it is announced just hours before tip that our first two guys off the bench are injured. I've driven 40,000 miles on my car and it wasn't until recently it had a problem. I didn't call it a hunk of junk just because it had one problem after years of usage. This season was supposed to be a bench of Burton, Gus, Crabtree, Sal, Grace. Can't blame Mooney for the fact that his best player in Sherod tore his ACL and that the first two guys off the bench also got hurt.

That to me is just lazy criticism. Plenty to criticize for but IMO bad injury luck is not legitimate criticism.
 
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To me, that may have been Gran't best offensive game. Nailed two threes, very timely baskets. A couple of just incredible reverses inside, one on which it appeared he was hammered, but he just got up and ran back to his credit. Blake and Burton were spectacular too - and just when I was asking where Cayo was he had strong finishes.

I do want to see Dji and Wilson get some more minutes. Wilson did have two pretty ugly turnovers and Mooney yanked him out, I can understand his reluctance in this game.

Next season he really needs a couple competent bigs - really should be looking for guys with 2+ years transfer eligibility if we want to challenge next year.

Good news on the competition front, Dayton is depleted now and looking shaky, I though A10 was stacked this year but several teams not really living up to expectations yet.
 
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Hard to fault Mooney for two guys unexpectedly being injured last night. But I agree that he needs to find a few more minutes for the younger guys. Problem is we haven't had many blowouts going, and if he puts them into close games and they make freshman plays that cost us the game, he will get roasted then too.

This year is probably our most "dance-with-who-brung-you" year ever. Up to those guys to get big enough leads to get themselves some rest.
 
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Go back and watch his TV postgame interview. He critiqued himself on this very issue. Mooney agrees that he needs to do better with substitution patterns and getting some of his bench players more minutes.

So, VT in your never-ending attempt to defend Mooney at every single turn, you are now actually having to defend Mooney's against himself. Good luck with that one.
 
Davidson is a good offensive team. They are 27th in offensive efficiency. It did look like they had their way at times and got to the hoop too often, but overall they were 47% from the field and 28% from 3 so we clearly did some things right defensively, including holding Grady to 7 points on 2-11 shooting. Wow, what a hard fought win. That looked like a real good team we beat tonight, and a lot of our guys really stepped up.

Tend to agree with your points here with regards to PhillyS saying UR's defense was bad for 36 minutes. Davidson had a big size advantage over the Spiders so no doubt thought they would try to score plenty inside going to the basket. Davidson MO is shooting plenty from deep but UR forcing them to shoot 25 3PTAs I think was successful in limiting that inside damage by Davidson. Also UR held them to only 14 FTAs. UR surprisingly had only 16 3PTAs and did their share of inside scoring.

I mean if Mooney's strategy was to limit Davidson from getting inside for buckets too often while getting them to try more 3 PTAs and contesting them well, mission accomplished. And like you stated, Grady was a complete non-factor taking 6 shots from deep while only getting 5 inside the line despite a size advantage.
 
Go back and watch his TV postgame interview. He critiqued himself on this very issue. Mooney agrees that he needs to do better with substitution patterns and getting some of his bench players more minutes.

So, VT in your never-ending attempt to defend Mooney at every single turn, you are now actually having to defend Mooney's against himself. Good luck with that one.
CM always says that but he's just supporting the player. you really think he forgets to put Wilson back in after 2 bad turnovers? come on. he's trying to win basketball games.
this is one of the reason's guys love playing for Mooney. he won't say "I didn't put him back in there because he was turning the ball over". he puts the blame on himself. "yeah, my mistake. I've got to get him more time".
I can't believe you don't see this after all these years.
 
If we hadn't lost Sherod, if we hadn't lost Crabtree, if we hadn't lost Gustavson, if we hadn't lost Weir, ...
we lost a really good starter before the season. we just lost our 6th and 7th man before the game. we still BEAT a solid Davidson team with a supposedly great coach on the road ... and you're saying we're not deep enough due to poor recruiting???
 
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I’d would add that for about 36 minutes our defense was horrible. We can’t stop dribble penetration at all, we really don’t offer much help, our pick and roll defense was simply awful. we were markedly better the last 4 minutes and it was just enough to get a win. But we have to get back to where we were last year defensively.
Still trying to figure out why we have the Swiss cheese D. I guess it’s remotely possible that Nicks loss is more impactful than I realize but Burton doesn’t seem like the problem as his replacement.

Good gutcheck win though.
 
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