Currently 16-9 and 7-5 in conference play. We were picked 2nd in most polls before the season. We have been so inconsistent all year. With the most experienced team and most talented team. We are living on thin ice trying to win the A-10 tournament now. Davidson, VCU and Dayton are all going to win 20 games. Our resume just took another hit losing to George Mason. They lost to ODU and James Madison. We should just go back to the CAA at this point.
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8legs1dream
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It has been discussed on this board from time to time. Most people here think it is a terrible idea and the AD probably wouldn't consider it just to save face but honestly if we had been in the CAA or Patriot League or whatever the past ten years we probably end up sneaking into the NCAA's at least once which is more than we can say about that same timeframe in the A10. It's interesting to think about.
It would be treating the symptoms and not the disease to move. Cut the cancer out of this program.
The greatest thing about this thread, in addition to it being true, is that it was bumped three minutes after it was created. I love this thread.
We have to win a damn tournament anyway. CAA is a lot easier.
8legs1dream
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Hmmm, there’s an option to explore. What conference can we downshift to that gives us the easiest path to the auto bid!
MEAC would be a good geographic, if not institutional, fit.
Patriot League is right there near the bottom, too...cough, cough.
Patriot League is right there near the bottom, too...cough, cough.
Is the A10 Exit Fee more or less that CM's Buyout?
Temple's exit fee was $1 million plus forfeit of postseason revenue share. Butler and X had to pay $2 million since they gave less than a year's notice.
I suspect the fees have been increased since then, but not sure.
Well, we don’t have to worry about forfeiting any postseason revenue, at least.
Thx. If presented a choice, im sure the numbskulls running our school would definitely move conferences just to preserve the relationship with the old coots that want to keep the King on his throne in perpetuity.
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We are such a bad fit for the A-10. Who the hell wants to go north in the winter to Philadelphia, Pittsburgh or New York for a game? Let’s join the SEC or ACC and get beat by some real teams and have nice places to travel. Same chance of winning the tournament. We can pick off Vanderbilt or Wake Forest every few years and storm the court. I would rather lose to Kentucky or Duke 22 out of 29 times than to VCU.
why do you believe dropping down a level would make it any better -- the quality of recruiting, Tv, and related items would settle to the level of that lower conference, what would be different?
A10 gives its members the opportunity each year to get an at-large bid. This is not an A10 issue, it's a UR problem. If we had the right leadership a school like UR with nice facilities, charter flights, ect could be a regular participant in the NCAA
Well, if the goal is NCAA bids, we certainly couldn't do any worse. Look at our history in the CAA versus the A-10. If we're going to be stuck with Mooney for the rest of my life, I'm good with the CAA.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Yeah, A10 is more conducive for at-large bids but we don't earn them anyway so if the only way in is winning the conference tourney you might as well give yourself an easier field to navigate. At least that is the idea.
The CAA is doo doo and we want no part of that conference. The most shameful thing has been watching our cross town rival join our conference later than us and proceed to be a major player in it (overshadowing us in the process).
We need to get more competitive. We need to play more stingy defense. We need a change of direction, not a change of conference.
We need to get more competitive. We need to play more stingy defense. We need a change of direction, not a change of conference.
The CAA is going to become even more irrelevant, with the transfer portal. We should be able to compete annually and occasionally win the A10….(Davidson can) This is a Mooney problem
Ya I’ll never buy the “we should just drop down, we have challenges as a school that make it too hard at the A10 level.” Just like I-M said; look no further than Davidson as to why we can not only compete but thrive in the A10. I can go beyond the A10 with other similar school as UR that have tremendous basketball success too. This isn’t an A10 problem and really is above a mooney problem; it’s at the very top of the university. If we have the right vision and want to go out and be great at basketball we can. Not sure we will ever have that vision so that’s why I’m out for now. I can’t support a program or a school that doesn’t care about winning.
8legs1dream
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Davidson has proven that they can get it done consistently since the late 90s and we have not.
I am not advocating for a move it is just something interesting to think about. As fans would we have been happier with the past ten years in the A10 and the results they yielded or would we have been more satisfied in the Patriot League and earning a bid in that time frame?
I am not advocating for a move it is just something interesting to think about. As fans would we have been happier with the past ten years in the A10 and the results they yielded or would we have been more satisfied in the Patriot League and earning a bid in that time frame?
I think we probably would not have the level of players that we have now and would not have the facilities either. We would just be on par with what the other teams in the CAA are so ya maybe we would have gotten hot one weekend and won the auto bid but I think overall we would just be irrelevant and likely have very little fan interest. So no I don’t think we would really have been any happier in the CAA for the last 10 years.
UR's goal should be to be the best team in the best possible league. Don't get the "let's slink down to a lower level" idea.
SinsemIlla said it best, "We need a change of direction, not a change of conference."
SinsemIlla said it best, "We need a change of direction, not a change of conference."
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We can absolutely compete in the A-10...no question about that. Our issues are self-inflicted, and we're spending like a top-tier A-10 program while failing to take other steps that would give us a chance of performing like a top-tier A-10 team.
Never going to happen, but the administration should be thinking that we're at a crossroads...do what's needed to allow us to compete for NCAA bids in the A-10 (the whole reason we joined in the first place) or cut bait and drop down to a lower conference where we can still compete for bids (likely with more success than we're currently having) while spending less money.
A change of direction is clearly the preferred option, but one has not been forthcoming.
Never going to happen, but the administration should be thinking that we're at a crossroads...do what's needed to allow us to compete for NCAA bids in the A-10 (the whole reason we joined in the first place) or cut bait and drop down to a lower conference where we can still compete for bids (likely with more success than we're currently having) while spending less money.
A change of direction is clearly the preferred option, but one has not been forthcoming.
And that is just what we are doing. Competing. You can't really ask for more.
But guys, we'd be ineligible for postseason play if we changed conferences.
[light match, step back...]
[light match, step back...]
I can't believe any Spider fan would want to go back to the CAA or move to the PL.
A10 is substantially better basketball. it shouldn't all be about the easiest road to a conference tournament championship. we play 30 games each year.
A10 is substantially better basketball. it shouldn't all be about the easiest road to a conference tournament championship. we play 30 games each year.
I think the school is more likely to move conferences than move on from Mooney. Since i'd like to see us in the NCAA again during my lifetime, i'd advocate for moving down to the CAA or Patriot.
Hell, i'd prefer dropping to D3 and paying Mooney $150k. It's probably the level where he should be coaching. The D3 Tournament could be fun. Randy Mac guys love it.
"Right-size" the Athletics budget from $30MM to $5 or $10MM. Invest the difference in high performing University programs like the Business School.
Let's be honest. Coach Mooney is going to be here as along as he wants to be. We need to figure out how to work around him.
Hell, i'd prefer dropping to D3 and paying Mooney $150k. It's probably the level where he should be coaching. The D3 Tournament could be fun. Randy Mac guys love it.
"Right-size" the Athletics budget from $30MM to $5 or $10MM. Invest the difference in high performing University programs like the Business School.
Let's be honest. Coach Mooney is going to be here as along as he wants to be. We need to figure out how to work around him.
But as long as they get in the tournament it shouldn’t matter. We’re more recognized for being giant killers from a “2nd rate conference” during the 80s and 90s than anything Mooney has done recently.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Well then we are already in the best conference we can possibly be in and getting outclassed regularly so you must be satisfied I take it 🤷♂️
I'm not happy we haven't danced, but we're in the conference I want us to be in.
I’m wondering if there is any sense whatsoever with “leadership” on how badly they’ve botched the last 10 years. For some reason I believe their vision of basketball at UR is a wine and cheese thing. And I don’t care how much $ has been pumped in. The results remain the same. They’ve danced around Mooney with soft steps but the team never dances in March. That’s just history for us.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
He said he would rather be "BC in the ACC" than winning titles, and thus earning bids, in a "lesser conference"
there's no guarantee we in titles in a lesser conference. I know we did. but going forward. you clearly "should" attract lesser recruits in a lesser conference.
We can but we choose not to. And if you aren't gong to change leadership, that you might as well try to change the metrics on which you are judged.
Our stated goal is compete for the A-10 championship. We are not competing for A-10 championships, maybe we can compete for league championship in the CAA or the Patriot League. Or maybe we should just keep banging our head against the same wall and hope for a different result because that has worked well up to now.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Again, my response was to 80s comment that he would rather be a nobody in a bigger league (like BC) than a conference winner in some 2nd rate conference. He isn't saying try to win in a lesser conference he literally said he would rather be a loser in the A10 than a winner in the Patriot League or whatever. Read what people are saying.
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