I always hear this we don't fire coaches talk and wonder who it is/was that you wanted fired. Other than Mooney, of course, who you and others have always wanted fired.
Tarrant?
Beilein?
Wainwright?
Clawson?
London?
Rocco?
Huesman?
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Tarrant?
Beilein?
Wainwright?
Clawson?
London?
Rocco?
Huesman?
Ole Jer certainly had issues while at UR. yes, one NCAA and a signature win at Kansas that same year. But severely underwhelmed with the same team the previous year and then a total car crash situation the following year, including off-court issues and his own conflicts with the school. Roller coaster.
You notably omitted Dooley in your list. Great guy, glad he's an alum and still part of the UR hoops community, but also wasn't fired, UR just let his contract expire. One .500 season, two 20 loss seasons and one 13-15 season. Beilein then took all the same guys to an NCAA win the next year. Coaching matters.
You notably omitted Dooley in your list. Great guy, glad he's an alum and still part of the UR hoops community, but also wasn't fired, UR just let his contract expire. One .500 season, two 20 loss seasons and one 13-15 season. Beilein then took all the same guys to an NCAA win the next year. Coaching matters.
Dooley is the poster child for this. Let the contract run out, then said thanks for the memories.
The better question is what coach under contract have we fired?
Maybe there has been but can’t think of one. Even if u look at Olympic sports like baseball & women hoops we wait.
I’d say Latrell Scott. But he was probably for cause.
He was 100% for cause, DUI.
We may have fired the women’s soccer coach a couple years ago, I’m not certain.
It’s just not a practice at UR, whether by accident or design.
We said see ya after only 4 years though. I guess we could have fired him after 3 years with 1 year left, but I don't think using a 4 year coach who wasn't renewed is a good example of "we don't fire coaches here." And, looking at my list, I ask again, who exactly should we have fired? You guys act like we have 5 or 6 examples out there.
U could count Mooney 5 times by himself
Football coach Jim Marshall was fired in 1994. Dal Shealy was before him and started in 1980. After Marshall, we have had Reid, Clawson, London, Scott (let go after multiple DUIs), Lineberg (interim coach), Rocco, Huesman. Who did you want fired after we fired Marshall?
Basketball, since 1981, we had Tarrant, Dooley, Beilein, Wainwright, and, Mooney. So, going back 40+ years, other than Mooney, and I guess Dooley after 3 years?, who else can you name to back up the "we don't fire coaches here" talk?
Dal Shealy resigned. Jim Marshall while he deserved to be fired I’m pretty sure had his contract expire too. I think Tbone point is we don’t/haven’t bought out contracts. But the university has paid for many other problems to go away so idk why so averse.
I’m on block & 4700 won’t see this anyway so someone can reply to it or cut & paste if they want.
I’m on block & 4700 won’t see this anyway so someone can reply to it or cut & paste if they want.
I think you’re using some circuitous logic. No one is/was advocating firing most of those guys because by and large they performed reasonably well. Almost all of them moved on to bigger jobs.
The question isn’t who should we have fired, it’s who have we fired mid-contract? I don’t know of any examples other than Scott which as mentioned was for cause.
2/5 in bball have a case they easily could have been fired following b2b 20 loss seasons. 3 if ole Jer had one more wildly dumb season.
??? What's the freaking difference? If you agree these were coaches that should not have been fired, what does mid contract, early contract, late contract or any contract have to do with it? I named every football and basketball coach we have had the past 40+ years. You ask who have we fired mid contract, as if we should have done so with some of them? Sorry, I can't make this reply of yours make sense. We did fire a football coach, Marshall, in 1994, and, as I said in my last post, other than Mooney, and maybe Dooley, even though he was only here 4 years, who else could you possibly name the past 40 years that would justify being fired mid contract? You can change the goalposts to mid contract all you want, but my point is the same. There is no way to back up the we don't fire coaches talk here because the chances or reasons to fire nearly all of these coaches haven't been there. And, we will never know, but I don't think Mooney would have survived a 3rd straight bad year had we not gone 24-7 in 2020. I think 2020 was very much a do or die season for him here. So, you can say we should have fired him after the 2019 season, but was it really a bad decision to keep him when we had one of our best seasons ever in 2020?
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Wainwright wasn't fired but he claimed we packed his bags for him.
he had a 5 year contract that said if he left early he owed UR. he left early. he claimed he didn't owe the money because he was in a way forced out, as UR's academic expectations for his team as he understood them had changed since he took the job. so he didn't pay ... and we sued him. it was settled out of court.
he had a 5 year contract that said if he left early he owed UR. he left early. he claimed he didn't owe the money because he was in a way forced out, as UR's academic expectations for his team as he understood them had changed since he took the job. so he didn't pay ... and we sued him. it was settled out of court.
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back on topic ... Duquesne lost to Maine last night. they're now 2-8 with the #232 SOS. they were picked 8th in the preseason A10 poll right behind us.
and yet the A10 is 8th as a conference in the NET. if Duquesne and Richmond and UMASS were pulling their weight, the A10 would be having a heck of a season.
and yet the A10 is 8th as a conference in the NET. if Duquesne and Richmond and UMASS were pulling their weight, the A10 would be having a heck of a season.
Fordham should be added despite their record.
We wish we were LaSalle this season…
Marshall was not "fired" during an existing contract, his contract simply was not renewed. In those days, people more commonly called that a "firing" whereas today they don't.
thx for confirming w facts. aligns w what i mentioned above. know guys who played for Marshall. & if u find anything on Shealy I bet it shows him resigning.
hmm vt4700 was incorrect. but thats what u get when u r only a recent Spider supporter from about halfway thru Moon era & mainly rely on press guides. easy to make assumptions. Need the lived experiences.
also anyone with a number in their board name on here is 10x more likely to be wrong. it's science.
I remember it differently and I have seen info on this that says he was fired. So, we have some sources that say one thing and some that say others. Maybe the Collegian got it wrong? My guess is he was fired. Did we even know what contract Marshall even had back then? Anyway, I guess he could have bern fired sooner, but after his 1st 3 awful years here, he turned things around in year 4, and even won conference coach of the year. So, hard to fire him then, but after the next 2 years were bad again, he was done. Whatever officially happened with him doesn’t change my point that in 40+ years, we have had very few opportunities to fire anyone "mid contract" ( since that is the time frame we must use now).
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