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Apathy

There are high school programs in Metro Richmond that have more excitement around them than we do. And probably better attendance too.
 
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Highland Springs vs. Us Friday night at their place. Anyone want to set the odds?
 
That’s also a game that Virginia Tech wouldn’t want any part of this year.

If we can outsource our marching band to local high schools, should we do the same with our coaching?
 
My Wife: "You always get so upset when the Spiders lose at anything. Why aren't you upset now? I'm starting to worry about you...

Me: "It's called APATHY. I wish I cared enough right now to even be upset."
This results from being a long-suffering Spiders fan. The suffering only gets worse over time. Eventually, one becomes numb to it. You call it apathy, I see it as a form of suffering. The suffering evokes only pity from innocent bystanders.
 
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I wouldn't say we're long suffering. I mean it's been 11 seasons since our NC. We've been relevant at times with Rocco, and I'm talking about the on the field stuff. But it seems its fallen a long way real fast.
 
QB is everything in FCS. We had some nice UVA transfers and then Lauletta. Now we don’t.

When the freshman kicker is our best player, we know we are in trouble.
 
Very good turnout at Spider Club pregame buffet social and surprisingly large UR contingent to watch game.No armchair lazyboy critics among the crowd.Long distance critics that are so deeply invested in the program always amaze me especially with their clever insight and quips.

 
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I liken the current situation at Richmond to the situation that happened in the 1960's at Tulane University in New Orleans. Originally a charter member of the SEC, Tulane deemphasized their sports programs and pulled out of the SEC (as did Georgia Tech).

Like Richmond, they had (and still have) high academic standards which they mistakenly thought precluded them from competing in the SEC. Vanderbilt had similar standards and, though not a power house on Fall Saturday afternoons, they are competitive and today thrive in the other SEC sports they compete in.

Meanwhile Tulane tore down it's 80,000 on campus stadium and has haplessly been part of some awful second and third tier conferences -- Metro, CUSA, Big East, and they were a an Independent for many years. Also, Tulane became a launching pad for some pretty well-known college coaching staples: Mack Brown, Rich Rodrigues, Tommy Bowden. But because college athletics has been the a stepchild of the University, it had virtually no chance of keeping them. Sound Familiar?

Only today, almost 60 years later, does the program seem to be on the upturn. The new administration at Tulane built a new on-campus stadium, made some selective academic concessions to be competitive and found a coach who genuinely seems to have bought in to the program. They are now a member of the AAC, but, I would bet a million dollars to a donut, that they rue the day they pulled out of the SEC. Think of all the millions of dollars they have lost by giving up its charter membership.

Forgive me for writing about Tulane, but I think there is an unmistakable parallel between Tulane and Richmond that ought not be ignored. Don't leave the CAA no matter what.
 
I wouldn't say we're long suffering. I mean it's been 11 seasons since our NC. We've been relevant at times with Rocco, and I'm talking about the on the field stuff. But it seems its fallen a long way real fast.
This is denial. This is more about continuous PTSD that never gets treated. Most of the Spiders' fans anguish is directed at what happens at games throughout a season. Each game results in immediate PTSD, which is unhealthy if one experiences additional traumas at the next football or basketball game. These multiple traumas result in a condition, known as Complex PTSD. Denial is a direct result of C-PTSD. The first step is for you to acknowledge the long-term nature of your suffering.
 
I liken the current situation at Richmond to the situation that happened in the 1960's at Tulane University in New Orleans. Originally a charter member of the SEC, Tulane deemphasized their sports programs and pulled out of the SEC (as did Georgia Tech).

Like Richmond, they had (and still have) high academic standards which they mistakenly thought precluded them from competing in the SEC. Vanderbilt had similar standards and, though not a power house on Fall Saturday afternoons, they are competitive and today thrive in the other SEC sports they compete in.

Meanwhile Tulane tore down it's 80,000 on campus stadium and has haplessly been part of some awful second and third tier conferences -- Metro, CUSA, Big East, and they were a an Independent for many years. Also, Tulane became a launching pad for some pretty well-known college coaching staples: Mack Brown, Rich Rodrigues, Tommy Bowden. But because college athletics has been the a stepchild of the University, it had virtually no chance of keeping them. Sound Familiar?

Only today, almost 60 years later, does the program seem to be on the upturn. The new administration at Tulane built a new on-campus stadium, made some selective academic concessions to be competitive and found a coach who genuinely seems to have bought in to the program. They are now a member of the AAC, but, I would bet a million dollars to a donut, that they rue the day they pulled out of the SEC. Think of all the millions of dollars they have lost by giving up its charter membership.

Forgive me for writing about Tulane, but I think there is an unmistakable parallel between Tulane and Richmond that ought not be ignored. Don't leave the CAA no matter what.

Other than drop to I-AA football (decades ago), how have athletics been de-emphasized?

We play in the best basketball league we've ever belonged to.

We have added a D1 lacrosse program.

We built an on-campus football stadium.

We built a baseball-only facility (not so before 1975) and have improved it immensely over time.

We are building an outstanding athletic training center.

The Robins Center has undergone millions of dollars in renovations/updates. It's one of the finest arenas in the country for a university of comparable enrollment.

Other facilities (tennis, field hockey, golf) have been upgraded significantly.

And even though we have dropped to FCS in football, we still play in what over time has been the best conference in FCS.

Sorry, I think your conclusions are way off base.

We are investing more than ever in athletics. Now we have to find the coaching staffs (MBB and football, what most people care about) to match that investment.
 
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Other than drop to I-AA football (decades ago), how have athletics been de-emphasized?

I was specifically addressing the idea of dropping down in class to the Patriot League. Sorry my intent was not properly conveyed. Tulane dropped out of the SEC and suffered immeasurable consequences. I would hate to see UR drop out of the premier FCS Football Conference.
 
I was specifically addressing the idea of dropping down in class to the Patriot League. Sorry my intent was not properly conveyed. Tulane dropped out of the SEC and suffered immeasurable consequences. I would hate to see UR drop out of the premier FCS Football Conference.
What immeasurable consequences has Tulane suffered? The lost of football on tv against some titans of the sport...most of which have a horde of athletes who couldn't cut it at Tulane? Ego damage to many of their alumni? I mean aren't they supposed to be a school of higher learning? Is there any evidence that their prestige has dropped in the area of academics?
 
What immeasurable consequences has Tulane suffered?

Financially, there have been tens of millions dollars they've lost out on that could have embellished the school academically and athletically. There is no reason they couldn't have enjoyed both: academic excellence and a power conference affiliation. Stanford and Cal in the Pac 10, Northwestern in the Big 10, Vanderbilt in the SEC, Virginia and Miami in the ACC all prove that the two are not mutually exclusive.

That's my case for UR staying right where they are at in the CAA.
 
Financially, there have been tens of millions dollars they've lost out on that could have embellished the school academically and athletically. There is no reason they couldn't have enjoyed both: academic excellence and a power conference affiliation. Stanford and Cal in the Pac 10, Northwestern in the Big 10, Vanderbilt in the SEC, Virginia and Miami in the ACC all prove that the two are not mutually exclusive.

That's my case for UR staying right where they are at in the CAA.
I take issue with Miami. They should not be even mentioned in the same post with the others of that group.
 
Other than drop to I-AA football (decades ago), how have athletics been de-emphasized?

We play in the best basketball league we've ever belonged to.

We have added a D1 lacrosse program.

We built an on-campus football stadium.

We built a baseball-only facility (not so before 1975) and have improved it immensely over time.

We are building an outstanding athletic training center.

The Robins Center has undergone millions of dollars in renovations/updates. It's one of the finest arenas in the country for a university of comparable enrollment.

Other facilities (tennis, field hockey, golf) have been upgraded significantly.

And even though we have dropped to FCS in football, we still play in what over time has been the best conference in FCS.

Sorry, I think your conclusions are way off base.

We are investing more than ever in athletics. Now we have to find the coaching staffs (MBB and football, what most people care about) to match that investment.
Herein lies the problem. We are all about appearance (facilities), but not about results. The Administration gives no evidence to me that they are committed to competing for championships at the highest level. They throw that out to entice us to contribute. IMO, our University is just fine with impressive facilities and mediocre results.
 
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Financially, there have been tens of millions dollars they've lost out on that could have embellished the school academically and athletically. There is no reason they couldn't have enjoyed both: academic excellence and a power conference affiliation. Stanford and Cal in the Pac 10, Northwestern in the Big 10, Vanderbilt in the SEC, Virginia and Miami in the ACC all prove that the two are not mutually exclusive.

That's my case for UR staying right where they are at in the CAA.


How about Duke in the ACC
 
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Herein lies the problem. We are all about appearance (facilities), but not about results. The Administration gives no evidence to me that they are committed to competing for championships at the highest level. They throw that out to entice us to contribute. IMO, our University is just fine with impressive facilities and mediocre results.
Until the past 4-5 years or so, we had done quite well in MBB. Until the last 2-3 years, we have been excellent in FCS football.

I think spending millions to renovate the Robins Center, and millions on a training center for athletes, shows commitment.

We are paying the price for a bad choice as an AD. I think that has been rectified. Other's gas mileage may vary.
 
Didn't Jim Miller say you needed alignment within the institution to have a successful athletic center?
 
We are not dropping down to the Patriot League. I wish that would just go away.

Someone clarify this for me but weren't we legitimately headed in that direction under Cooper not that long ago? I know we have won a FCS National Title since then and had our Sweet Sixteen appearance but it's not the most far fetched theory in the world since we were basically there at one point in the relatively recent past.
 
There is no credible evidence we were headed for the Patriot League under Cooper.
 
There is no credible evidence we were headed for the Patriot League under Cooper.

I remember that time being full of rumors, etc but what was the specific reasoning for Cooper being booed at basketball games and generally being considered public enemy #1 by a lot of fans? Lots of different information was being thrown around during that time but I remember talk of Cooper holding a meeting with the football team and/or coaches. I'm legitimately asking for folks who have more insight than my cursory memory of that time period.
 
There was an active review of going to the Patriot league when exactly I'm not certain, but Coopers reign may be about right. Shortly after it happened I spoke to one of the faculty members who was involved ( who I guess should remain nameless) and it was very real. I believe it was even in the RTD and the results were the cost was the same since football players tended to get scholarships of one type or another either way. Plus let me once again remind folks football is endowed, if they remove the football scholarships I'm sure a lot of us will want our money back. I believe a decade ago it was about 80 million dollars, someone may have a better more current dollar amount.
 
I remember that time being full of rumors, etc but what was the specific reasoning for Cooper being booed at basketball games and generally being considered public enemy #1 by a lot of fans? Lots of different information was being thrown around during that time but I remember talk of Cooper holding a meeting with the football team and/or coaches. I'm legitimately asking for folks who have more insight than my cursory memory of that time period.
Rumor has it players were not happy and as I remember students took players side. I seem to remember hearing something about Clawson saying he just came from non-scholly and was gone if it happened. I think Patriot was non-scholly at time. Long time ago , but believe I remember these two points being mentioned at the time the topic was an issue.
 
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