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2021–22 NET Rankings

Spiders debut at #98 with a SOS ranking of 178.

Q1: 0–1
Q2: 1–2
Q3: 1–1
Q4: 3–0

A-10 rankings:
54. Davidson
67. Saint Louis
72. VCU
83. Rhode Island
88. St. Bonaventure
95. Dayton
98. Richmond
125. UMass
149. George Mason
170. Fordham
211. Saint Joseph's
267. Duquesne
281. George Washington
286. La Salle

OOC Schedule:
NC Central (300): Q4 win
Utah State (52): Q2 loss
Georgia State (176): Q4 win
Drake (87): Q2 loss
Hofstra (91): Q3 win
Maryland (155): Q3 loss
Mississippi State (49): Q1 loss
Wofford (114): Q2 win
Northern Iowa (246): Q4 win
Toledo (74): Q2
NC State (136): Q3
Old Dominion (241): Q4
Bucknell (327): Q4

 
Spiders debut at #98 with a SOS ranking of 178.

Q1: 0–1
Q2: 1–2
Q3: 1–1
Q4: 3–0

A-10 rankings:
54. Davidson
67. Saint Louis
72. VCU
83. Rhode Island
88. St. Bonaventure
95. Dayton
98. Richmond
125. UMass
149. George Mason
170. Fordham
211. Saint Joseph's
267. Duquesne
281. George Washington
286. La Salle

OOC Schedule:
NC Central (300): Q4 win
Utah State (52): Q2 loss
Georgia State (176): Q4 win
Drake (87): Q2 loss
Hofstra (91): Q3 win
Maryland (155): Q3 loss
Mississippi State (49): Q1 loss
Wofford (114): Q2 win
Northern Iowa (246): Q4 win
Toledo (74): Q2
NC State (136): Q3
Old Dominion (241): Q4
Bucknell (327): Q4

Brutal realizing it is early but Maryland being q3 loss and uni being a Q4 road win sure does make it sound like formula is quite different from last years.
 
Obviously, a lot will change, but starting out 98 is not ideal and right now our vaunted schedule looks pretty crappy, with only 1 Quad 1 game. I knew Northern Iowa was not going to be good, but man, a loss yesterday would have been the nail in our at large coffin.
 
As it stands right now, we'd have two more Q1 games (@SLU, @VCU) and six more Q2 games (Toledo, Davidson, @URI, @Bona, SLU, VCU) on our schedule.
 
nothing to see here. Just show the committee that we have a clear claim to be better than Gonzaga:


On a serious note, the game on Saturday vs Toledo is a big one.
Hopefully Robins will be packed given the Gilly award thing and our first weekend home game.
 
This is why it matters that we blew all 4 games we should/could have won. Very disappointing.

Also, even though it's early, how depressing is it to see that the complete dogshit team VCU is running out there this year, which can barely score 50 points most nights, is ranked 26 slots ahead of us. Jesus.
 
Also, even though it's early, how depressing is it to see that the complete dogshit team VCU is running out there this year, which can barely score 50 points most nights, is ranked 26 slots ahead of us. Jesus.
Playing one of the toughest schedules in the country so far, although they've haven't won any of their Q1 games. Bunch of Q3/Q4 games coming up to finish out their OOC though.
 
Pretty brutal. Can't be too shocked, this is what happens when you underachieve as much or more than anyone in country over last 2 seasons. It was an uphill climb last year and this will be no different, likely harder. Most of us know this, why the veteran players, coaches & admin don't has always been curious. The numbers will change but bottom line it will take a very long winning streak. We had 7 reg season losses in 19-20 and were on bubble, imo solidly the right side of bubble at the time, but certainly an 8th loss in A10 quarters would have had us squarely on it and possibly wrong side of bubble.

Have 4 losses now, facing a very pedestrian schedule rest of way that only give us a few strong opportunities. in last 22 games (presuming no Covid cancels which is a big presumption) that means going on a 19-3 bender or 20-2 to feel really good. 18-4 even seems precarious unless the games fall perfectly.

Remember in 19-20 we also had the high profile B10 champ win over Wisco, we got nothing like that this year.
 
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So for now, at Fordham in closer to Quad 2 than NC ST Neutral?
 
Playing one of the toughest schedules in the country so far, although they've haven't won any of their Q1 games. Bunch of Q3/Q4 games coming up to finish out their OOC though.
Right, but doing nothing at all against, it. How the hell does any system view a 14-point home loss to Wagner and 2-point home loss to UTC and say "Eh, but they did LOSE to Baylor and UConn, so let's elevate them a lot higher!" They manage to job the system every damn year, and I have no idea how. The only reason Wagner and UTC are as high as they are currently is because they have alleged "Q1" road wins at VCU! Unbelievable. I know this will change eventually, but it's annoying as all hell.
 
Hey, Wagner also had a 22-poinit loss to Seton Hall! But yeah, their ranking in particular is screwy because they missed a couple of games due to COVID so it's still a very small sample size for them. They're not going to end up anywhere near #23.

Things are still going to move an awful lot.
 
Right, but doing nothing at all against, it. How the hell does any system view a 14-point home loss to Wagner and 2-point home loss to UTC and say "Eh, but they did LOSE to Baylor and UConn, so let's elevate them a lot higher!" They manage to job the system every damn year, and I have no idea how. The only reason Wagner and UTC are as high as they are currently is because they have alleged "Q1" road wins at VCU! Unbelievable. I know this will change eventually, but it's annoying as all hell.
You want it to change? root for ODU to beat VCU at the Ted.
And look at Wagner's remaining schedule (after there COVID break). Not much room for improvement.
 
Hey, Wagner also had a 22-poinit loss to Seton Hall! But yeah, their ranking in particular is screwy because they missed a couple of games due to COVID so it's still a very small sample size for them. They're not going to end up anywhere near #23.

Things are still going to move an awful lot.
One Q4 loss would change things a lot for them. If they go 19-0 vs Q4? Who knows?
 
In the eyes of the NET, Wofford on the road is a better win than Hofstra at home at this point...not that that is going to cut it either.
 
When the NET was being designed I believe the goal was to make a metric that is useful for ranking teams on selection Sunday, not the first week of December. I.e. NET rankings were designed to work on a full season of games, not 30%. As others have mentioned, if you want to know what the likely NET rankings will be on selection Sunday, the only time they matter, kenpom's current rankings are probably much closer than the current NET rankings are.
 
Spiders debut at #98 with a SOS ranking of 178.

Q1: 0–1
Q2: 1–2
Q3: 1–1
Q4: 3–0

A-10 rankings:
54. Davidson
67. Saint Louis
72. VCU
83. Rhode Island
88. St. Bonaventure
95. Dayton
98. Richmond
125. UMass
149. George Mason
170. Fordham
211. Saint Joseph's
267. Duquesne
281. George Washington
286. La Salle

OOC Schedule:
NC Central (300): Q4 win
Utah State (52): Q2 loss
Georgia State (176): Q4 win
Drake (87): Q2 loss
Hofstra (91): Q3 win
Maryland (155): Q3 loss
Mississippi State (49): Q1 loss
Wofford (114): Q2 win
Northern Iowa (246): Q4 win
Toledo (74): Q2
NC State (136): Q3
Old Dominion (241): Q4
Bucknell (327): Q4

That is a bummer!
 
Pretty brutal. Can't be too shocked, this is what happens when you underachieve as much or more than anyone in country over last 2 seasons. It was an uphill climb last year and this will be no different, likely harder. Most of us know this, why the veteran players, coaches & admin don't has always been curious. The numbers will change but bottom line it will take a very long winning streak. We had 7 reg season losses in 19-20 and were on bubble, imo solidly the right side of bubble at the time, but certainly an 8th loss in A10 quarters would have had us squarely on it and possibly wrong side of bubble.

Have 4 losses now, facing a very pedestrian schedule rest of way that only give us a few strong opportunities. in last 22 games (presuming no Covid cancels which is a big presumption) that means going on a 19-3 bender or 20-2 to feel really good. 18-4 even seems precarious unless the games fall perfectly.

Remember in 19-20 we also had the high profile B10 champ win over Wisco, we got nothing like that this year.
First off surprised by being ranked so low in A10 NET. Right on target post for me considering 10-3 is where I thought they would be coming out of OOC. NCST now looks like a must win to improve #98 ranking going onto A10 play or if not need to go 15-3 in conference play to reach the on-the-fence 23-8.

Looking at A10 schedule and seeing presently more quality A10 teams not named St Bonny 14-4 seems like the upside for Mooney's team. What would impress me from Mooney this season is no bad conference losses. No reason this seasoned team can't do 14-4.
 
Spiders debut at #98 with a SOS ranking of 178.

Q1: 0–1
Q2: 1–2
Q3: 1–1
Q4: 3–0

A-10 rankings:
54. Davidson
67. Saint Louis
72. VCU
83. Rhode Island
88. St. Bonaventure
95. Dayton
98. Richmond
125. UMass
149. George Mason
170. Fordham
211. Saint Joseph's
267. Duquesne
281. George Washington
286. La Salle

OOC Schedule:
NC Central (300): Q4 win
Utah State (52): Q2 loss
Georgia State (176): Q4 win
Drake (87): Q2 loss
Hofstra (91): Q3 win
Maryland (155): Q3 loss
Mississippi State (49): Q1 loss
Wofford (114): Q2 win
Northern Iowa (246): Q4 win
Toledo (74): Q2
NC State (136): Q3
Old Dominion (241): Q4
Bucknell (327): Q4

How does this compare to the start of A10 play last year? How many A10 teams were in the top 50?
 
How does this compare to the start of A10 play last year? How many A10 teams were in the top 50?
The first NET didn't come out until January 3 because of the delayed start to the season, but here were the A-10 rankings in that first release.

12. Saint Louis
31. VCU
57. St. Bonaventure
68. Richmond
79. Rhode Island
92. Davidson
111. Dayton
134. Duquesne
139. UMass
150. La Salle
189. George Mason
243. Saint Joseph's
275. George Washington
337. Fordham
 
The first NET didn't come out until January 3 because of the delayed start to the season, but here were the A-10 rankings in that first release.

12. Saint Louis
31. VCU
57. St. Bonaventure
68. Richmond
79. Rhode Island
92. Davidson
111. Dayton
134. Duquesne
139. UMass
150. La Salle
189. George Mason
243. Saint Joseph's
275. George Washington
337. Fordham
Were we 68 on both 1/3/2021 and 3/14/2021?

Or whenever first and last were...
 
The first NET didn't come out until January 3 because of the delayed start to the season, but here were the A-10 rankings in that first release.

12. Saint Louis
31. VCU
57. St. Bonaventure
68. Richmond
79. Rhode Island
92. Davidson
111. Dayton
134. Duquesne
139. UMass
150. La Salle
189. George Mason
243. Saint Joseph's
275. George Washington
337. Fordham
You’re awesome. Thank you.
 
All this is interesting, but if we’d have won at a minimum 2 of the 4 losses, this discussion takes on a different meaning. These losses are on us, and easy to see the impact. $hit - no reason we couldn’t or shouldn’t be undefeated at this point. I don’t think that’s unrealistic looking at the schedule to date. I mean 4 fair to decent teams are our losses, not none of those 4 are what I think are really really good teams. Just win.
 
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First off surprised by being ranked so low in A10 NET. Right on target post for me considering 10-3 is where I thought they would be coming out of OOC. NCST now looks like a must win to improve #98 ranking going onto A10 play or if not need to go 15-3 in conference play to reach the on-the-fence 23-8.

Looking at A10 schedule and seeing presently more quality A10 teams not named St Bonny 14-4 seems like the upside for Mooney's team. What would impress me from Mooney this season is no bad conference losses. No reason this seasoned team can't do 14-4.
I agree 14-4 is very feasible for us in A10. However at this point it probably takes 15-3. And that’s also running the last 4 ooc games. And also likely not losing in A10 tourney until finals or semis minimum. One key is we need to win A10 reg season outright. That gives us edge if we r borderline & fighting for a spot. But the ooc choking takes on additional importance given no games have been lost yet & that could change, idk hopefully not. Less games less chance to cut into margin.

I don’t think Mooney has ever won 19 of 22 in his career. I’d be shocked. We know no A10 1 seed ever. & his A10 tourney record is very poor over last 10 years. So basically he’s 0 for 3 in requirements.

just the reality of what we have in front of us though. Sobering.
 
I agree 14-4 is very feasible for us in A10. However at this point it probably takes 15-3. And that’s also running the last 4 ooc games. And also likely not losing in A10 tourney until finals or semis minimum. One key is we need to win A10 reg season outright. That gives us edge if we r borderline & fighting for a spot. But the ooc choking takes on additional importance given no games have been lost yet & that could change, idk hopefully not. Less games less chance to cut into margin.

I don’t think Mooney has ever won 19 of 22 in his career. I’d be shocked. We know no A10 1 seed ever. & his A10 tourney record is very poor over last 10 years. So basically he’s 0 for 3 in requirements.

just the reality of what we have in front of us though. Sobering.
I think there was a stretch where we went 18 of 21 the sweet 16 year. Almost there.
 
Spiders debut at #98 with a SOS ranking of 178.

Q1: 0–1
Q2: 1–2
Q3: 1–1
Q4: 3–0

A-10 rankings:
54. Davidson
67. Saint Louis
72. VCU
83. Rhode Island
88. St. Bonaventure
95. Dayton
98. Richmond
125. UMass
149. George Mason
170. Fordham
211. Saint Joseph's
267. Duquesne
281. George Washington
286. La Salle

OOC Schedule:
NC Central (300): Q4 win
Utah State (52): Q2 loss
Georgia State (176): Q4 win
Drake (87): Q2 loss
Hofstra (91): Q3 win
Maryland (155): Q3 loss
Mississippi State (49): Q1 loss
Wofford (114): Q2 win
Northern Iowa (246): Q4 win
Toledo (74): Q2
NC State (136): Q3
Old Dominion (241): Q4
Bucknell (327): Q4

If these numbers are valid there is no clear path for UR to get an at large bid to the NCAA.It looks as though the A10 is a 1 bid league-the winner of the A10 tourney only.
 
Not really a NET thing, but don’t really have a great place to put this….0–7 Texas Southern just blew out #20 Florida by 15. The lead was 20 until Florida got a few buckets in the last minute or two of garbage time.

Texas Southern had 14 offensive rebounds to Florida’s 15 defensive rebounds. That’s crazy!

For total rebounds they doubled them up 46-23
 
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