Just saw this from a couple weeks ago...Auburn is only paying us $40k.

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this change is another shot at mid majors, by the way.
2 more good HS players are going to take full rides to every high major program over their mid major offers.

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every team will recruit the best 15 players they can. nobody will be designated a scholarshipped walk on. just like now with 13, every player will feel they'll earn time eventually. and some won't get time. the UVA 12th-15th man may transfer down to hopefully play ... just like 12th-13th man does today.

SpiderTrap said:

I would assume schools will still have "walk-on designated players" but they will just receive a scholarship.

It will be near impossible for mid-major and above to round out a roster of 15 players because players 10-15 will hardly ever play, and likely players 9-10 will not play much either. So unless you want to over-recruit, and have 5 or more players transfer out, I think coaches will still have "Walk-ons", which will just mean - your a kid with an understanding that your not gonna play, and we really need you more for practice than anything.

Where this might hurt is you might lose a few kids, not a lot, who could probably play lower D1 or maybe even D2, they can now get a "walk-on" scholarship to be a part of a big program. Some kids might want that more than playing D2, others will want playing time. But now that you can get a scholarship to those kids, some might decide - its free education either way, why not go to the bigger school, sit the bench, and be a part of a team. But again - I don't see this having a major impact.

But I do see walk-ons continuing to exist. Simply because it will be impossible to get 15 recruited high level players on a team, and you know half will likely transfer out when not playing. At least the walk-ons, you don't expect a transfer.

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I don't think they'll intentionally want to give ships to walk on practice players. They recruit over you anyway in transfer portal I don't think most coaches care about over recruiting. Just like many things it's a numbers game. Picking your best rotation guys out of a larger pool of players (15) is better long term. Just like with high schools the larger classification schools should be better...why because they have a much larger pool of kids to pick from to make the team.

You can find good players on the back half of your roster that maybe you didn't know how good they were going to be. So I don't think giving 2-3 of those spots away to guys that usually have no shot & will only be practice guys, helps your odds.

Now I do think some spots on teams initially will go to existing walk on types - think Kirby Mooney. I also agree that by practice it can still be hard to get 15 guys. Tho easier for many high level teams. Because yes kids want to go to those schools if they r getting offered, and they think they're going to play. But with the transfer portal it does change things a bit. Now u have a year where u have more transfers out than expected and u r stuck with limited inventory, u end up short on ships & then can easily have a walk on or 2. Tho probably the big schools will go and attempt to poach the mid major hs recruits especially if Letter of Intent signing is gone.

Anyway I think it does happen where teams aren't filling up the 15 with 15 legit guys, but not because walk ons don't transfer or a coach intentionally wants to have a less amount of good players. But we'll have to see how it plays out.

I don't know if he had an ultimate goal for all sports, but no, the only thing under discussion at the time was football. A-10 as our primary home was not in question.

Even so, the circumstances are pretty different than 20 years ago...the CAA is not what it was and the Patriot has improved with scholarships now being offered.

Is it the right move? The jury's is still out for me, but the Patriot isn't doing anything to convince me so this year. The CAA has become so watered down, I understand the desire to make a move, and the hope was that Patriot would continue an upward trajectory, but at least this year it's just ugly. I agree with many that SoCon seemed like a better fit for football quality, but for whatever reason it didn't happen.

Rather than a Patriot move now, I would have been more inclined to wait it out a few more years until a potential CAA breakup or coordinate a group move with W&M and Villanova. There was no need to hurry and get ahead of things...can't do too much about FBS move-ups, but we would have been in a strong position for any FCS-oriented changes with the CAA.

I think Cooper wanted to move the entire athletic department to the Patriot League, not just a football program that is an affiliated member of another conference. Big, big difference.

spider23 said:

My work network doesn't seem to want me to get to the Richmond Basketball X account (or maybe its the account blocking me ), but there is a video with interview with Tyne and Boyden and Hunt I think, talking about the hopeful jump that Tyne takes this year.
I am optimistic too, and dudeness did claim after the scrimmage that this is Hunt and Tyne's team - so thinking he showed some good things.
30% shooting though in scrimmage. Hoping to see improvement this year from just the year of experience, working on things, and knowing how/when to pick his spots. If he can improve shooting can be a real good one for us.

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Link is also on Spiders Athletics YouTube page (below). I am liking what I hear about Tyne too. Looks like Hunt/Tyne will be our starting guards day 1.

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Speaking of Trump at McDonald's ...

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My work network doesn't seem to want me to get to the Richmond Basketball X account (or maybe its the account blocking me ), but there is a video with interview with Tyne and Boyden and Hunt I think, talking about the hopeful jump that Tyne takes this year.
I am optimistic too, and dudeness did claim after the scrimmage that this is Hunt and Tyne's team - so thinking he showed some good things.
30% shooting though in scrimmage. Hoping to see improvement this year from just the year of experience, working on things, and knowing how/when to pick his spots. If he can improve shooting can be a real good one for us.

It depends on which D2 team you scrimmage, such as Randolph-Macon.

Dudeness said:

Tanner

I know nothing about ECU, but RJ Felton is a dude. He's listed 6-3, 214, but that might be light. Can bully our small guards.

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A little surprised on Tanner since box score shows 4 defensive rebounds and 3 blocks

Maybe too light to handle his own man but blocks on help on guards?

I would assume schools will still have "walk-on designated players" but they will just receive a scholarship.

It will be near impossible for mid-major and above to round out a roster of 15 players because players 10-15 will hardly ever play, and likely players 9-10 will not play much either. So unless you want to over-recruit, and have 5 or more players transfer out, I think coaches will still have "Walk-ons", which will just mean - your a kid with an understanding that your not gonna play, and we really need you more for practice than anything.

Where this might hurt is you might lose a few kids, not a lot, who could probably play lower D1 or maybe even D2, they can now get a "walk-on" scholarship to be a part of a big program. Some kids might want that more than playing D2, others will want playing time. But now that you can get a scholarship to those kids, some might decide - its free education either way, why not go to the bigger school, sit the bench, and be a part of a team. But again - I don't see this having a major impact.

But I do see walk-ons continuing to exist. Simply because it will be impossible to get 15 recruited high level players on a team, and you know half will likely transfer out when not playing. At least the walk-ons, you don't expect a transfer.

SpiderTrap said:

I think this just points more and more to Bennett wanted to give the job to his guy, Sanchez, and that is likely because of some level of mistrust that exists between him and his boss - the AD. If Bennett and the AD Williams were really that close and had a "great" relationship, then it likely would not have been handled this way. But there just seems to be some smoke around the idea that maybe Williams and Bennett were not on the same page, and therefore, Bennett felt this was the only way to handle it.

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He gave the job to a guy who went 72-78 at Chatlotte, including 39-51 in CUSA. Who else wanted him? He probably was ready to get fired at Charlotte before going back to UVA last year. And, he talks about how he is not the right guy for the job right now, but he thinks his assistant who coaches and teaches everything Bennett is about somehow is???

97spiderfan said:

Thanks for the update. To clarify, you said complete defensive liability, was that a reference to Glou or Tanner.

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Tanner

I know nothing about ECU, but RJ Felton is a dude. He's listed 6-3, 214, but that might be light. Can bully our small guards.

spiderman said:

if we were pounding the offensive glass and not getting back ... that would explain the 75% shooting from 2 for ECU and the 90 points allowed. wonder if a lot came in transition.

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Some interesting box score stats…
In the Paint ECU 38 UR 20
Fast Break points ECU 7 UR 5
Turnover points ECU 23 UR 20
Bench points ECU 16 UR 38(!)
2nd chance ECU 10 UR 17(!) Beagle with 7 of our 13 Offensive rebounds

fan2011 said:

Were you a ref, haha

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I’m joining the backboard repairmen’s union before Saturday…

Dudeness said:

Scheduled for noon at the Robins Center. Last week was a fortress, I had to be let in at the ticket office door, and wander my way through the halls to get court side. There were maybe 7-10 people in attendance, big wigs. Last year, they saw a few regular fans inside and ran them off. Im not saying you cant find an unlocked door and hide in a corner, but it's not overly easy. Last week there was a football game, so perhaps this week won't be as locked down.



I mean, in my defense, how many rotational guys were on the team last season? I obviously dont post here a lot, but read it in season and during portal time. But Im not a hard core fan of spider athletics. I honestly recognized like five kids. So yes, I needed a roster or names on the back of jerseys, ha!

To be clear, I'm a nobody. No high roller, no big wig who was allowed to attend. No insider. Specific reason I was there

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Were you a ref, haha

spiderman said:

I kinda get playing a D2 in the regular season. gives you a home game ... eases you in ... doesn't count for or against you in the statistical rankings.
but I don't really get it in the preseason. I'd think you'd want to play the best available to see what you need to work on. and top teams have no reason to avoid you in the preseason too, so it shouldn't be as hard to schedule one.

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$$. That's usually the main reason. They can charge for tickets. I have no idea what kind of single game tix attendance they get for that, but it's also very possible they make season tix holders pay for that game as part of package like nfl preseason games & get $ regardless if they show up.

Personally I would want minimum at least 1 scrimmage vs. a legit d1 team.

also Avila did not play

brooklyn brownstone said:

New philosophy: pound the offensive glass as a tactic to limit the opponent's number of offensive possessions, and minimize our defensive liabilities. Adaptation!

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if we were pounding the offensive glass and not getting back ... that would explain the 75% shooting from 2 for ECU and the 90 points allowed. wonder if a lot came in transition.

I kinda get playing a D2 in the regular season. gives you a home game ... eases you in ... doesn't count for or against you in the statistical rankings.
but I don't really get it in the preseason. I'd think you'd want to play the best available to see what you need to work on. and top teams have no reason to avoid you in the preseason too, so it shouldn't be as hard to schedule one.

Dudeness said:

I gottta be honest, I didnt see JOC at the scrimmage. The article could be 100 percent written by a distributed box score. I dont get the secret nature of this to then release stats.

The fifth quarter was 100 percent guys that didnt play in the first four. And UR won it handily. Q1 and Q3 were pretty even. Q2 UR got hot from 3 and stretched it out late. ECU's coach was coaching like it was the final four...he was arguing about rules they made up and agreed to pregame, and was fouling late to "win". Was pretty ridiculous. 90-90 sounds about right for four quarters. Scores were wiped after each quarter but no way it was tied if the fifth Q was included.

No clue what the box score says, but offensive rebounding was a plus. Glou more a wing than interior. Tanner's shot didnt look pretty, but he hit three 3s. Complete defensive liability. To be fair, no names on the back of practice jerseys and I didn't have a roster in front of me, so hard to be specific on all.

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Thanks for the update. To clarify, you said complete defensive liability, was that a reference to Glou or Tanner.

GoSpiders324 said:

Do you know when this scrimmage is and if there is any way I could attend it because I am currently a student at ODU

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Scheduled for noon at the Robins Center. Last week was a fortress, I had to be let in at the ticket office door, and wander my way through the halls to get court side. There were maybe 7-10 people in attendance, big wigs. Last year, they saw a few regular fans inside and ran them off. Im not saying you cant find an unlocked door and hide in a corner, but it's not overly easy. Last week there was a football game, so perhaps this week won't be as locked down.

GKiller said:

The Dude abides.

Thank you for the report. It was getting rather tiresome just hearing spider23's constant speculation. 1st rule of message boards...absolutely no speculation!

I do have to ask u 1 thing I'm a little curious about. u get access to a secret scrimmage, u know what JOC looks like, u know the scrimmage rules that we agreed upon, but u can't recognize all our players without their name on the jersey?

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I mean, in my defense, how many rotational guys were on the team last season? I obviously dont post here a lot, but read it in season and during portal time. But Im not a hard core fan of spider athletics. I honestly recognized like five kids. So yes, I needed a roster or names on the back of jerseys, ha!

To be clear, I'm a nobody. No high roller, no big wig who was allowed to attend. No insider. Specific reason I was there

"Individuals other than athletics department staff members and those necessary to conduct a basketball practice scrimmage against outside competition may not be present during such a scrimmage. The institution shall ensure that the scrimmage is free from public view."

Gonna need to Mission Impossible yourself inside, 324.

Yeah, you're allowed a combination of two preseason scrimmages/exhibitions and they went the all-exhibition route.